I said maybe once...just once. Where you getting your numbers from?Originally Posted by TEOKILLO:729024
I said maybe once...just once. Where you getting your numbers from?Originally Posted by TEOKILLO:729024
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All classes,r even ._. Learn ur class
The thing is ... the OP isn't concerned about the vast majority of bears, who when they pull a mob, are likely to use stomp and send everybody all over the place, but rather PvP bears. Good PvP bears will go for str/dex and get enough hit and attack power to make things like blinding shot ineffective (assuming of course the bear didn't dodge the shot, which these days is very likely). The other thing to consider is that a very high percentage of players with crafted sets will PvP at endgame, which skews somewhat.
But fundamentally I think the end game gear is in need of a total rebalance. We now have int mages with 25%+ dodge and bears with 80%+ plus dodge. That's a bit out of control. It'd be one thing if they buffed damage or armor which is predictable or gave all bears a set of gear that made their hit 100% with pure strength (which I would actually support), but with dodge ... it's random.
Bears are op in 17 below
mages are op in SSC and barely in 35, 30 is balanced birds had 45-50 at 55 it was balanced 60-66 mages 70 Luck
Mages and bears have more then birds, and birds were only op thanks to no GCD, just saying not that there is, they are barely op in 45-50
When there is too much
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@Elf, how would you feel if a PRNG was implemented instead of the current RNG? Less luck, but it's still possible for crazy dodge streaks.
Birds. Still not even. Glad we got more dodge though. We still can't stack up against bears with 300 armor and mages with 299 armor.Originally Posted by plmafiaboss:729054
And on the topic of bears being nerfed. If mages didn't get nerfed last cap. Then there is no reason bears should be nerfed now. We all dealt with OP mages for what 6 months? Now we deal with bears for 6 months. Time to hop out of the spotlight.
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Umm.. Well , Mages had been OP for the last few patches. Isn't it a bit fairer for bears to be OP now? About birds, patience ;P
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I blame cloakypoo for this madness
Do what pro's do... adjust, and quit crying.
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A well educated post I actually agree with. I can handle a decrease in dodge (which therr was a decrease from Orlok as shown in my thread), if given a chance at 100% hit while pure strength. Maybe, as Tank said, a revamp of attribute points for each class is needed where strength adds more hit% for only bears while dex adds more hit% for birds and so on.
I honestly feel people get use to a class, use to winning, and when a challenge comes along, complain instead of finding new solutions.
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Maybe everything seems OP since our skill damage is higher than our health pool. Lol!
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Now that devs enabled healing skill for birds when they are moving, birds can't kite and survive anymore.
Bears only pull, and kill the bird
Mages only drain, and the bird passes away..
Could you make something about birds : giving them back healing which would save them sometimes, even if they get headshotted anytime..
I've seen a str bear having 304 armor and 350 damage yesterday, doing 1 pull and 1 stomp, and getting a triple after dodging all skills. Is that normal?
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This is just my opinion but, id be more concerned about how with each cap raise the avian class becomes more and more underpowered while ursans and mages get more powerful.
Look guys, I never said Mages weren't OP.
Don't bias me or anything just because I use an OP mage.
What if I was a bear myself?
Bears ARE OP this cap.
And I'm talking only about PvP here, no PvE.
Your job in PvP is NOT to pull mobs and crowd control, it's to kill and tank, debuff and stun for your team.
This requires more than a PURE STR build for most endgame bears.
And when I made this thread, I meant a dual spec DEX/STR bear, but I guess it didn't come clear.
So we have the issue of Mage being OP.
I personally didn't like this issue.
And now we have bears being more OP than mages.
Does it HELP to keep ranting about how mages were OP and now they're hypocrites?
Does it HELP to keep shouting at mages for complaining about how they're not top-OP class anymore?
NO.
It helps if we all stop arguing about this class and that class and START POOLING SUGGESTIONS.
Maybe, some IDEAS to what could even out PvP.
Make it balanced.
And also, birds were OP during 50-56.
And birds are still pretty good right now if you're able to find a balanced fight.
My post wasn't meant to complaing about me not winning.
It was meant to complain about imbalanced classes.
I would've personally made a "MAGES IS OP" thread during Fang, if others had not.
I agree, bears need more than 100% Hit, it is VITAL to PvE.
They need all that dodge, regen, and armor.
But that is in PvE.
In PvP, that is what makes them OP.
Best possible solution IMO is to just nerf stats to a lower extent in PvP.
Make it like Sewer cap again, when classes could go whatever build they wanted with the sewer oranges/greens/purples/pinks.
My mage went Scraper's (Dodge Staff Mage) for most of Sewers anyways.
IMO the only class that really needs work is the birds.
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