The Almost United States of America

**MightyMicah** · 11-16-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Noodleleg

Only you would say God crisis... -_-

It's true

An ATHIEST even understood this concept. H.G. Wells said, "If God doesn't exist, nothing matters. If God does exist, nothing else matters."

We live in a culture that seems to believe that if we can all just come together and work it out, we can achieve great things. Look at Obama's whole "spread the wealth" idea. The problem with these ideas is that man's nature is not good. We are sinful by nature. Many will disagree. Many don't believe in God.

Whether you do or not, it effects how you think. America better get how they think straight.

Like I said. This is not a political issue. It's a worldview issue.

**Noodleleg** · 11-16-2012, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by MightyMicah

It's true

An ATHIEST even understood this concept. H.G. Wells said, "If God doesn't exist, nothing matters. If God does exist, nothing else matters."

We live in a culture that seems to believe that if we can all just come together and work it out, we can achieve great things. Look at Obama's whole "spread the wealth" idea. The problem with these ideas is that man's nature is not good. We are sinful by nature. Many will disagree. Many don't believe in God.

Whether you do or not, it effects how you think. America better get how they think straight.

Like I said. This is not a political issue. It's a worldview issue.

Uhm... God is good and I know whatever happens soon will be for a great reason... So, I don't care lmao! Unless... He takes away someone I love... Maybe then, God might need bodyguards.

**MightyMicah** · 11-16-2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Noodleleg

Uhm... God is good and I know whatever happens soon will be for a great reason... So, I don't care lmao! Unless... He takes away someone I love... Maybe then, God might need bodyguards.

>.<

**Suentous PO** · 11-16-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by MightyMicah

The problem with these ideas is that man's nature is not good. We are sinful by nature.

That is your religious belief, personally I do not believe in origional sin. "Mans nature " is too abstract a concept to have a convienient adjective. We can't even define consciousness at the moment.

**Zaonabiuibil** · 11-17-2012, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Suentous PO

That is your religious belief, personally I do not believe in origional sin. "Mans nature " is too abstract a concept to have a convienient adjective. We can't even define consciousness at the moment.

"[T]he quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself[.]"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consciousness

**Fao** · 11-17-2012, 09:00 AM

I live in Alabama, there are tons of rednecks. And it's pretty awesome! We don't like Alabama because he does things we don't like. Especially like taking from the people who work hard for their money, and lots of it goes straight to the people who are too lazy to do work. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree that that is completely wrong.

**MightyMicah** · 11-17-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Suentous PO

That is your religious belief, personally I do not believe in origional sin. "Mans nature " is too abstract a concept to have a convienient adjective. We can't even define consciousness at the moment.

Regardless of who is correct, you should be able to identify that there is a problem with America's worldview. As Darwinism becomes more popular people begin to think they are nothing more than animals. That may be true, but where does that take us? It takes us to a place where we as humans contain no value. And we wonder why suecide and crime rates are sky rocketing.

People believe like you said, that we can't even define consciousness. That may be true, but where does that takes us? When we don't even know what reality is, it's hard to take anything seriously. Why not go shoot people then commit suecide? It's all an illusion anyways, right?

When people believe that they are basically good, why shouldn't we be able to come together and achieve greatness? Why not spread the wealth to everyone? After all, if we can just be good and be "true to our nature" nothing will go wrong...right? That's what Hitler thought as well. Is that mindset right? Maybe. But where does it take us?

If we believe that Christ died on the cross for the entire world and that we are all unique and specially created by him and that we cannot achieve any kind of greatness without him, where does that lead us?

Ideas have consequences. Good ideas have good consequences. Bad ideas have bad consequences. We are seeing this in America. Lets hope that we can get the right ideas.

**Suentous PO** · 11-17-2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Zaonabiuibil

"[T]he quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself[.]"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consciousness

Scientifically we still have not. This websters definition is an abstraction.

**MightyMicah** · 11-17-2012, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Suentous PO

Scientifically we still have not. This websters definition is an abstraction.

Did you know it's impossible to prove anything?

**Suentous PO** · 11-17-2012, 11:09 AM

To even say there is one American world view is an abstraction.
Darwinism hasn't eliminated morality, he's no boogie man. Can't blame him for crime or suicide those existed long before him.
Don't bring hitler into this, he was an insane drug addict.
Your messiah wasn't named jesus, that word is a mistranslation by the Greeks and I don't believe yesua died for the world.
I'm more comfortable with truth even when it means we have to admit what we don't know, at least that shows humility.
Religion isn't necessary for us to act correctly, it does help sometimes, as it hinders us sometimes.

**Zaonabiuibil** · 11-17-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Suentous PO

To even say there is one American world view is an abstraction.
Darwinism hasn't eliminated morality, he's no boogie man. Can't blame him for crime or suicide those existed long before him.
Don't bring hitler into this, he was an insane drug addict.
Your messiah wasn't named jesus, that word is a mistranslation by the Greeks and I don't believe yesua died for the world.
I'm more comfortable with truth even when it means we have to admit what we don't know, at least that shows humility.
Religion isn't necessary for us to act correctly, it does help sometimes, as it hinders us sometimes.

It was also not needed to insult someone's religion based on a disagreement.

**StompArtist** · 11-17-2012, 11:53 AM

How did this turn into a religious topic? Oh yeah, Micah posted :P

**CrimsonTider** · 11-17-2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by StompArtist

How did this turn into a religious topic? Oh yeah, Micah posted :P

Considering this nation was founded on religion, it has ways been THE topic. Anyone who needs a reminder can take a look at any piece of our currency.