What's the point of keeping Rhino so OP?

[Waug]

Gg endgame PvP...newgen rhinos trash talking cuz their class so op you can't do nothing against it...these plat guns so ridiculous...leave it to new developers to screw up balanced PvP ggwp...what a waste ...uninstalled

This is what everyone thinks other than those who actually use rhinos. Let's begin the story -

After getting the pure stat gun, I found that the auto damage is pretty high BUT SKILL DAMAGE IS PRETTY LOW, even lower than the 4pc talon set. The point is that, simply nerfing endgame rhino damage from the set from rhino can balance the whole aspect INCLUDING the gun. No other class basically don't wan't use pure stat guns because that's not that much good, that it seems to be, unless for some specific cases, like using dex pure gun to kill OP 4 pc set rhinoes. That's because killing stat gun bird with a 4pc talon set is ez, similarly killing a stat gun mage with a 4pc set wand set mage ain't hard either, that shows guns ain't such a big mess yet but the rhino still is REALLY REALLY A BIG MESS.

The whole point of saying is that even though it seems like guns are actually a BIG mess, it's not that big TBH other than the only class that is Rhino with gun, which do 1500+ (output damage) auto damage, highest with any gun, other class guns do damage 1200+ max. There's no point of fighting them even with stat guns with other classes.

These small things will surely restore the endgame pvp alot -
- Nerfing damage from endgame rhino set
- If necessary also nerf abit damage from rhino pure stat gun.

[Kurvy]

This is what everyone thinks other than those who actually use rhinos. Let's begin the story -

After getting the pure stat gun, I found that the auto damage is pretty high BUT SKILL DAMAGE IS PRETTY LOW, even lower than the 4pc talon set. The point is that, simply nerfing endgame rhino damage from the set from rhino can balance the whole aspect INCLUDING the gun. No other class basically don't wan't use pure stat guns because that's not that much good, that it seems to be, unless for some specific cases, like using dex pure gun to kill OP 4 pc set rhinoes. That's because killing stat gun bird with a 4pc talon set is ez, similarly killing a stat gun mage with a 4pc set wand set mage ain't hard either, that shows guns ain't such a big mess yet but the rhino still is REALLY REALLY A BIG MESS.

The whole point of saying is that even though it seems like guns are actually a BIG mess, it's not that big TBH other than the only class that is Rhino with gun, which do 1500+ (output damage) auto damage, highest with any gun, other class guns do damage 1200+ max. There's no point of fighting them even with stat guns with other classes.

These small things will surely restore the endgame pvp alot -
- Nerfing damage from endgame rhino set
- If necessary also nerf abit damage from rhino pure stat gun.

The problem isn't the rhinos axe. The axe is balanced. It's the guns that's driving everyone out of PL.

[Congeniality]

The problem isn't the rhinos axe. The axe is balanced. It's the guns that's driving everyone out of PL.

Legit have stopped playing totally for the first time in 7 years, feels bad man..... :O

[XghostzX]

Legit have stopped playing totally for the first time in 7 years, feels bad man..... :O

I have heard from a few buddies that they, too, are temporarily abandoning PL until the balance of PvP is restored to what it formerly was prior to this Gun. I am eager to hop back onto PL in a month to better evaluate the situation and will give my two cents if nothing has changed.

If there is one thing I have learned from the mechanics of PL, it's that any tampering with the conventional system of stats -- even miniscule changes -- have dramatic repurcussions. The presence of a flourishing endgame community means a lot to us all, and I know that nobody wants to see it shattered.

In light of Cinco's last reply to this thread, I do hope he can tweak around with the Gun's stats, even if it requires subtle changes from time to time (rather than just leave it as it is). I would hate to see a ghost-town endgame community because of an unaddressed issue.

[Kurvy]

I have heard from a few buddies that they, too, are temporarily abandoning PL until the balance of PvP is restored to what it formerly was prior to this Gun. I am eager to hop back onto PL in a month to better evaluate the situation and will give my two cents if nothing has changed.

If there is one thing I have learned from the mechanics of PL, it's that any tampering with the conventional system of stats -- even miniscule changes -- have dramatic repurcussions. The presence of a flourishing endgame community means a lot to us all, and I know that nobody wants to see it shattered.

In light of Cinco's last reply to this thread, I do hope he can tweak around with the Gun's stats, even if it requires subtle changes from time to time (rather than just leave it as it is). I would hate to see a ghost-town endgame community because of an unaddressed issue.

Its already happening, same 10 people ive seen in endgame the past few days, and about half of them are pur.stat.

[Congeniality]

I have heard from a few buddies that they, too, are temporarily abandoning PL until the balance of PvP is restored to what it formerly was prior to this Gun. I am eager to hop back onto PL in a month to better evaluate the situation and will give my two cents if nothing has changed.

If there is one thing I have learned from the mechanics of PL, it's that any tampering with the conventional system of stats -- even miniscule changes -- have dramatic repurcussions. The presence of a flourishing endgame community means a lot to us all, and I know that nobody wants to see it shattered.

In light of Cinco's last reply to this thread, I do hope he can tweak around with the Gun's stats, even if it requires subtle changes from time to time (rather than just leave it as it is). I would hate to see a ghost-town endgame community because of an unaddressed issue.

Its already happening, same 10 people ive seen in endgame the past few days, and about half of them are pur.stat.

I find PvP near unplayable at the moment, and I have not played in quite some time. In fact, when I do get on it's only for a short time because I remember the insane damage totals I can't keep up with unless I spend a fortune of gold or dish out money for these new stat guns. All in all, I find the game very disenchanting since the introduction of the stat guns and look forward to PLA being released in the United States in the near future.

[Waug]

The problem isn't the rhinos axe. The axe is balanced. It's the guns that's driving everyone out of PL.

It's a cleaver way to nerf even gun rhino damage without nerfing the gun itself u silly, specially because cinco don't don't wanna nerf guns. Axe is not a problem is not true is a false statement. Rhino as a class OP with Axe that's the huge problem.

[MageFFA]

It's a cleaver way to nerf even gun rhino damage without nerfing the gun itself u silly, specially because cinco don't don't wanna nerf guns. Axe is not a problem is not true is a false statement. Rhino as a class OP with Axe that's the huge problem.

Rhino class is NOT OP with axe if you took the time to look at rhinos stats when wearing axe setup you'll see that their DMG goes beyond that of even bears. Axe set is only "OP" to you because you're a bird....a class that is not known for even being slightly matched with the Rhino class. Mages CAN beat rhinos trust me I've seen it myself it's just not a easy process. If rhino gets a Dodge, Critical, and Hit nerf it could go two ways. A: Balancing the class since it ALREADY HAS a 2x combo Multiplier ,which if you looked carefully it can make cruel blast, beck stomp, and hot flash pale in comparison, the drop off in Critical and Hit can make the combo deal less Critical DMG and having it not land while under Hit% debuff. B: completely Decimating the class because it won't be able to deal consistent DMG since well.....RHINOS ONLY HAVE 3 ATTACKS THAT ACTUALLY DEAL DMG. Charge, Redemption, Holy Tempest. What you're asking is a complete Nerf of the class overall by effecting it's base Stats and Skills as a whole yet if you ever chose to play rhino class back then you'd see why i completely reject everything you're saying. In 2013 rhinos were capable of beating out most classes in close fights, take 30 where i originate as a rhino from. I was capable of beating out bears by timing my charge and tempest to counter attack a bear from becking me i charged while being beckon pushing them away. To counter a bears CB and slashes i used holy tempest keeping them away and debuffing at the same time. Yet something happened later on at the end of 2013, a global nerf on rhino? I was not dealing even close to what i was doing months before and it tore rhinos overall. It was a DMG drop off, rhinos were being eaten alive by bears with ez i legit had to resort to full on kiting half the time to keep bears at bay. What ever was done made rhinos fodder to mages overall as if mages were not superior to begin with. At 61 i couldn't beat out bears like i use to. In fact i couldn't kill them at all anymore not even 56s. I had to swap to using demonic and even then it wasn't a guarantee to win against orlok unlike how i was able to beat demo bears. This entire story is me telling you what you're asking StS to do. If you don't like how axe plays then simply ask StS cinco to nerf rhinos dmg down to bears since rhino do have more dmg overall than it. Pure stat from what i heard from hook requires you to be pure in stat? If that IS the case then a Hit nerf could destroy the gun, but i don't want just that. I want a full Damage, Hit, and Critical nerf on that gun. @Cinco there is no reason ANY GUN should be destroying free to play players like this. We all ask for a nerf this is cancer right now man.