@Cinco @Asommers Why Rogue is Inferior to War / Mage. (PVE ONLY)

[tailwarrior]

I agree 100%

During my runs in E-Sunken most of the time I'm the only rogue in our team, and all I do is proc my Pisces > put 'The Bends' proc on minis and boss to make them squishier and my role is done lmaoo that's all my purpose of being rogue, heck sometimes I just want to afk and never farm again, cuz look how Warriors and Mages deal consistent high amounts of damage.

I feel left out every runs.



Sure. but it doesn't change the fact that Warriors and Mages can do much more damage consistently whereas us rogues completely relies on luck and if ever you got lucky, be sure to hit the boss with Ult Aimed Shot before he spawns 3 minions

+1 it's once in a blue moon that all proc at the same time

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[Angelaxd]

we are very bad and they will always compare us with 1 to 10 rogues who go around with super expensive set's so that they say that if we serve (which is not real, because we are the only class that is not essential in a race, and if we go we are only the sweepers of the map, and if you complain there will be the "youtuber" called EnCRYption showing off and saying that it's not bad, just because I win a top "temple" or because it has a lot of money to be very strong as a team, no, I understand the reason , but STS always relies on this guy's clout to get things done, like it did when they nerfed the rogue at the beginning of the expansion, those who haven't played the "rogue" class for years should shut up and let STS lend pay attention to what we speak with experience, because those people who are always speaking out against rogues have never been around for YEARS that's why we never get any "Revamp" of any skill or "ultimate"

[Synergia]

we are very bad and they will always compare us with 1 to 10 rogues who go around with super expensive set's so that they say that if we serve (which is not real, because we are the only class that is not essential in a race, and if we go we are only the sweepers of the map, and if you complain there will be the "youtuber" called EnCRYption showing off and saying that it's not bad, just because I win a top "temple" or because it has a lot of money to be very strong as a team, no, I understand the reason , but STS always relies on this guy's clout to get things done, like it did when they nerfed the rogue at the beginning of the expansion, those who haven't played the "rogue" class for years should shut up and let STS lend pay attention to what we speak with experience, because those people who are always speaking out against rogues have never been around for YEARS that's why we never get any "Revamp" of any skill or "ultimate"

Perfectly said.

[Redjellydonut]

Hellnahh! Rogues still get op times and damage on bosses. This thread is pure bs


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we are very bad and they will always compare us with 1 to 10 rogues who go around with super expensive set's

You do realize that rogs have done this to warrior and mage for years right? 1 war in the past will have millions of pts in evg as all of the others have 100-300k you guys chose to compare that 1 warrior who is maxed out to the top to your 1.5k dex rogues. Its so weird all of these rogs with 1.5k dex keep coming to this forum to complain that their class is weak when its really not, rog does need a better defense skill but when it comes to damage I don't see a mage or warrior hitting 1 aim for 23mil dmg.
And you just contradicted your self in your own post here by saying "they always compare us to the top rogue" well um each class has to be end game before they can have the ability to know if the class is op or not and 1.5k dex is not end game, try 2.6k+ dex and have strategy don't go in spamming skills at everything.

I didn't do team lb on swamp temple with a rog, only solo and I managed to get to wave 109 with a basic low stat rogue because I know how to play with strategy not spamming skills hoping everything dies. Btw I didn't get rog nerfed when this expansion came out, I was playing as the rog class for how op it was when compared to a mage / war. You are completely off the rails with the amount of incorrect info you have.

I remember everything, remember this thread ? You were banned on multiple accounts for player harassment also read what I said a few posts down. "They always compare the top 1 war". Its also funny that when mages and warriors have a prob with their class you rogues decide to harass the hell out of us by cursing us out. It just proves you have no logical input to give as to why you disagree. When you rogs have a problem with the class people who play with all 3 classes or even 2 classes efficiently will come on your threads and politely try to discuss points but no you rogs just throw insults left and right with no logical or valid points.
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...ighlight=Glint

[Synergia]

You do realize that rogs have done this to warrior and mage for years right? 1 war in the past will have millions of pts in evg as all of the others have 100-300k you guys chose to compare that 1 warrior who is maxed out to the top to your 1.5k dex rogues. Its so weird all of these rogs with 1.5k dex keep coming to this forum to complain that their class is weak when its really not, rog does need a better defense skill but when it comes to damage I don't see a mage or warrior hitting 1 aim for 23mil dmg.
And you just contradicted your self in your own post here by saying "they always compare us to the top rogue" well um each class has to be end game before they can have the ability to know if the class is op or not and 1.5k dex is not end game, try 2.6k+ dex and have strategy don't go in spamming skills at everything.

I didn't do team lb on swamp temple with a rog, only solo and I managed to get to wave 109 with a basic low stat rogue because I know how to play with strategy not spamming skills hoping everything dies. Btw I didn't get rog nerfed when this expansion came out, I was playing as the rog class for how op it was when compared to a mage / war. You are completely off the rails with the amount of incorrect info you have.

I remember everything, remember this thread ? You were banned on multiple accounts for player harassment also read what I said a few posts down. "They always compare the top 1 war". Its also funny that when mages and warriors have a prob with their class you rogues decide to harass the hell out of us by cursing us out. It just proves you have no logical input to give as to why you disagree.
https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...ighlight=Glint

There we go, let's open the grudges that you and other mages / wasr are holding towards rogues for being OP like 4 years ago.
Always the most childish people, are the ones whos best arguement is "You were OP 4 years ago, now stay behind you deserve it"
Also I used 2.470 DEX set and I am telling you any war with myth set does the boss killing x5 faster and any mage with myth set can kill mobs faster. Sorry that you dont want to listen but this is facts, run elite sunken fleet with ur rogue and show us how you handle it better than mages / wars in ur party mr war main

Also, if rogues are so good as you claim mr war main, tell me then, what class is the worst by your opinion?

[Synergia]

Hellnahh! Rogues still get op times and damage on bosses. This thread is pure bs

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Just by reading ur comment, I can tell that you havent been playing rogue in the past 4 years at least, by the level of your toxicity and 0 solid arguements I bet you are a mage main

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There we go, let's open the grudges that you and other mages / wasr are holding towards rogues for being OP like 4 years ago.
Always the most childish people, are the ones whos best arguement is "You were OP 4 years ago, now stay behind you deserve it"

Also, if rogues are so good as you claim mr war main, tell me then, what class is the worst by your opinion?

Not asking to nerf rogs, we are telling you guys that your class is more than what you think it is. Pretty sure wars and mages wouldn't care if rogs were op IF they didn't sit in maps doing 4 rog pts all day and if a war was to join that war would get cursed out to leave and ignore listed just for existing yrs ago.
The worst class is Warrior. Warrior shouldn't be the boss nuker even if it was it does a bad job at it because you really have to have your stuff setup correctly in order to get the job done and most of the time things go wrong. We are useless vs mini bosses because by the time we get our aegis to proc the rog or mage has already killed the boss. Us vs groups of mobs... I have proc comboed every thing I can currently proc combo in order to try and be more efficient with mob clear and I am useless when it comes to clearing mobs. Can proc a dragon sword switch to terror blade pull all of the mobs in proc night mare aegis + dozer axe to stun all of the mobs at your feet for up to 7 seconds, but that doesn't kill them.
I play warrior right now only because of my aps, I have been focusing on getting aps, I have 52k atm. If I wasn't playing for aps then I would be on my mage rn as its the #1 class. Rogue is in the middle half mob clear half boss killer.
Will run rog on temple lb possibly, for warrior idk, for mage no.

[Synergia]

Not asking to nerf rogs, we are telling you guys that your class is more than what you think it is. Pretty sure wars and mages wouldn't care if rogs were op IF they didn't sit in maps doing 4 rog pts all day and if a war was to join that war would get cursed out to leave and ignore listed just for existing yrs ago.
The worst class is Warrior. Warrior shouldn't be the boss nuker even if it was it does a bad job at it because you really have to have your stuff setup correctly in order to get the job done and most of the time things go wrong. We are useless vs mini bosses because by the time we get our aegis to proc the rog or mage has already killed the boss. Us vs groups of mobs... I have proc comboed every thing I can currently proc combo in order to try and be more efficient with mob clear and I am useless when it comes to clearing mobs. Can proc a dragon sword switch to terror blade pull all of the mobs in proc night mare aegis + dozer axe to stun all of the mobs at your feet for up to 7 seconds, but that doesn't kill them.
I play warrior right now only because of my aps, I have been focusing on getting aps, I have 52k atm. If I wasn't playing for aps then I would be on my mage rn as its the #1 class. Rogue is in the middle half mob clear half boss killer.
Will run rog on temple lb possibly, for warrior idk, for mage no.

Look at the video I added, do you really think that 3 rogues can kill that boss at the same time? Also with no ult?

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Look at the video I added, do you really think that 3 rogues can kill that boss at the same time? Also with no ult?

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

[Odewao]

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

lol bro thinks it's easy to proc

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[Immortal_Blood]

the ult, yeah buff to the ult. its coming!!!1 :>

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lol bro thinks it's easy to proc

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I mean try the skill build atleast man.

[Deathlyreaper]

Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg

I basically use the same build as you, and i’m pretty sure the pierce,aim,razor, nox combo is what the majority of other rogue players use. It’s not a game changer.

Timing the Pisces+Sunken combo is much harder than an aquaris+ebon vest. I don’t know how often you play rogue but sunken can barely proc from nox and razor especially on a boss alone, not to mention that you have to continually use charged basic attacks to proc pisces. All mages have to do is use their DOT skills to proc both aquaris and ebon vest, switch to smuggler gun loadout and it’s gg especially bc ebon gives haste. Also, their aquaris+ebon vest probably proced at the exact same time allowing them to switch right away. As for rogue, if you’re lucky to proc your pisces+sunken (they probably procced 1-2s after each other AND you have to use bends), when you swap to bounty hunter you’re relying on skills that have no haste and you have already lost some time.

Its a no brainer that rogues are inferior. And to top it off, mages can EASILY repeat their combos during mob clearing because of how easy it is to proc together. Mages clear mobs very quickly and RELIABLY and can also do the same for boss. Rogues just can’t compete with that because there’s too much luck involved in their combos.


As for your other comments about clearing the boss in the vid in 7-15s, I can do that too but it’s hard to do it CONSISTENTLY. The way mages are set up right now is that they can do these op damage far more consistently than rogues.

I don’t know if you do any gold farming, but try it with mages that have the same int as your dex and see if you do the same damage/kills in your party as any other mages. Because I’ve tried gold farming, and its far more efficient to get another mage than a rogue.


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I basically use the same build as you, and i’m pretty sure the pierce,aim,razor, nox combo is what the majority of other rogue players use. It’s not a game changer.

Timing the Pisces+Sunken combo is much harder than an aquaris+ebon vest. I don’t know how often you play rogue but sunken can barely proc from nox and razor especially on a boss alone, not to mention that you have to continually use basic attacks to proc pisces. All mages have to do is use their DOT skills to proc both aquaris and ebon vest, switch to smuggler gun loadout and it’s gg especially bc ebon gives haste. Also, their aquaris+ebon vest probably proced at the exact same time allowing them to switch right away. As for rogue, if you’re lucky to proc your pisces+sunken (and they probably procced 1-2s after each other) when you swap to bounty hunter you’re relying on skills that have no haste and you have already lost some time.

Its a no brainer that rogues are inferior. And to top it off, mages can EASILY repeat their combos during mob clearing because of how easy it is to proc together. Mages clear mobs very quickly and RELIABLY and can also do the same for boss. Rogues just can’t compete with that because there’s too much luck involved in their combos.


As for your other comments about clearing the boss in the vid in 7-15s, I can do that too but it’s hard to do it CONSISTENTLY. The way mages are set up right now is that they can do these op damage far more consistently than rogues.

I don’t know if you do any gold farming, but try it with mages that have the same int as your dex and see if you do the same damage/kills in your party as any other mages. Because I’ve tried gold farming, and its far more efficient to get another mage than a rogue.


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I understand this, mages can proc alot easier due to their vest being easier to proc and their staff procing off of player damage dealt via skills etc. They have 3 of their skills being able to hit multiple targets at once over a decent period of time, clock skill stuns lots of mobs dealing dots to them, fire ball burns them, magma aa is considered as player dealt dmg, lightning does attack more than 1 target sometimes.
Tbh if devs made it where pisces would proc like the other weapons do and increase the proc rate of chasmal and sunken vests then it would be nice and more logical. They keep giving rogues these procs that require a rog to be a tank in order to proc, with pisces you have to make out with the enemies in order to even proc- spirit daggers is another example with its "Damage reflection", why give a twig damage reflection?
Fighting a boss I usually stack 3x nox bolts before I attempt to proc dags.

[ItsTwelv]

Rogs need 2.5k+ dex to deal decent damage
Mage and war only need 1.8k CHEAP stat af set to melt/1-2 hit boss
Rogs easy to die while charging everything,blind when marianos proc if multiple mobs approaching
Mage war,chill out just spam attack with big strength and op shield
Look at new spirit dagg lol,damage reflect for rog is big joke

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Rogs need 2.5k+ dex to deal decent damage
Mage and war only need 1.8k CHEAP stat af set to melt/1-2 hit boss
Rogs easy to die while charging everything,blind when marianos proc if multiple mobs approaching
Mage war,chill out just spam attack with big strength and op shield
Look at new spirit dagg lol,damage reflect for rog is big joke

Only warriors with 1.8k str can melt bosses if lucky and know what they are doing which warriors can't clean mobs, mages with 1.8k int won't nuke bosses but they can clean mobs.
Don't use mari bow if there are mobs around, use nox bolt and try to combo pisces with sunken then swap to your bounty hunter bow or swap to a dmg loadout with pisces. Use a defense loadout with pisces and sunken vest in order to survive while trying to proc.
Problem every one is trying to get through to the devs is rogs don't have something to make them invulnerable for 2 seconds.
Yes

[ItsTwelv]

Only warriors with 1.8k str can melt bosses if lucky and know what they are doing which warriors can't clean mobs, mages with 1.8k int won't nuke bosses but they can clean mobs.
Don't use mari bow if there are mobs around, use nox bolt and try to combo pisces with sunken then swap to your bounty hunter bow or swap to a dmg loadout with pisces. Use a defense loadout with pisces and sunken vest in order to survive while trying to proc.
Problem every one is trying to get through to the devs is rogs don't have something to make them invulnerable for 2 seconds.
Yes

Yeah bro,we clearing maps with duggar bow

[Angelaxd]

Not asking to nerf rogs, we are telling you guys that your class is more than what you think it is. Pretty sure wars and mages wouldn't care if rogs were op IF they didn't sit in maps doing 4 rog pts all day and if a war was to join that war would get cursed out to leave and ignore listed just for existing yrs ago.
The worst class is Warrior. Warrior shouldn't be the boss nuker even if it was it does a bad job at it because you really have to have your stuff setup correctly in order to get the job done and most of the time things go wrong. We are useless vs mini bosses because by the time we get our aegis to proc the rog or mage has already killed the boss. Us vs groups of mobs... I have proc comboed every thing I can currently proc combo in order to try and be more efficient with mob clear and I am useless when it comes to clearing mobs. Can proc a dragon sword switch to terror blade pull all of the mobs in proc night mare aegis + dozer axe to stun all of the mobs at your feet for up to 7 seconds, but that doesn't kill them.
I play warrior right now only because of my aps, I have been focusing on getting aps, I have 52k atm. If I wasn't playing for aps then I would be on my mage rn as its the #1 class. Rogue is in the middle half mob clear half boss killer.
Will run rog on temple lb possibly, for warrior idk, for mage no.

you are not asking for nerfer to rogues ??? you were the culprit and others who were not rogues who complained when "ekenta" was opened for the first time, when the rogue finally had prominence you made a thousand videos and complaints every day and now I don't see you complaining the same so that it is solved and do not say that the warrior is the worst of all, please if it were so you would go to another class instead of being a warrior as you did when it was confirmed that the rogue was the only one to survive and kill in zodias at the beginning, simply you do things that benefit you, there is nothing to say, if not you like it, you complain, you make yourself interesting and cause a stir in 70 forum fans so that they think you have absolute truth when they never tried it.

[snakeeyes]

Marianos should target locked when the target is affected by proc so it will not be hard to activate the proc in multiple enemies

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+1 this is the problem of marianos bow user if theres mobs spawn at the boss proc is useless. @asommers.