Apply the % nerf to rogues in deathmatch.

[Zeus]

Hey Madnex,

The % scaling issue is a pretty thorny one in its current implementation. Given how Rogues perform currently, our feeling is that it's ok to nurf them a bit in PvP.

We know the scaling issue is there and it is on our list to address. Unfortunately, Rome wasn't built in a day Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Can you design the pets in a way that do not shaft rogues, as well? As pet damage grows higher, the differences matter much less.

Example:
15% pets
Now, on top of the 10% damage nerf, we have another 15%. This makes for a total of 25%. That's a lot of damage missing! :/

As of right now, it's okay due to mythic gear being L31-36. So, even the current damage hits hard. As the game advances, so will the pets. Thus, if you can make sure it's not on the back burner for too long - that'd be appreciated!

[RDX]

No one die in one combo.until they undergeard except rogue vs rogue.
Removing pets damage frm tdm makes arcane pets pve pets only.

[RDX]

Lmao dont cry Rdx about how weak rogues are... Better learn some skills, cause without sa m ur nothing

Y u r getting personal,dnt cry if u cant afford samael.*better learn some skill*
U r skilld and u cry cause of a pet?
And its not about % damage nerf its about pet damage .

[Grizzlis]

Y u r getting personal,dnt cry if u cant afford samael.*better learn some skill*
U r skilld and u cry cause of a pet?
And its not about % damage nerf its about pet damage .

I dont cry that I cant afford sam lol, its just really irritates me then everyone is talking how OP rogues are, that they have to get nerf, when random rich dude whos OP only because pet starts saying that dont nerf rogues. Its nothing personal just it really really irritates me

[RDX]

I dont cry that I cant afford sam lol, its just really irritates me then everyone is talking how OP rogues are, that they have to get nerf, when random rich dude whos OP only because pet starts saying that dont nerf rogues. Its nothing personal just it really really irritates me

*random rich dude*
*Random peoples really really irritates me*
U talking about me like u know me well
Seems like i farmd u thats y u r crying .
U talk directly about me and its not personal.u have any idea what u write?
Ofcourse rogues are op at endgame .but at 31 maul warrior op.
I m free to write my points of view in forums .if it really really irritates u go cry somewhere.anyone can easily feel u crying on personal base.


I only said excluding pet damage in tdm will make damage pets uselss .

This is a fact so u dnt need to be really really irritate on ur personal behalf.

[Grizzlis]

Its already sick that pet damage dsnt add in ctf.
..*now nerf the damge in tdm*

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*random rich dude*
*Random peoples really really irritates me*
U talking about me like u know me well
Seems like i farmd u thats y u r crying .
U talk directly about me and its not personal.u have any idea what u write?
Ofcourse rogues are op at endgame .but at 31 maul warrior op.
I m free to write my points of view in forums .if it really really irritates u go cry somewhere.anyone can easily feel u crying on personal base.


I only said excluding pet damage in tdm will make damage pets uselss .

This is a fact so u dnt need to be really really irritate on ur personal behalf.

First of all this thread is about rogues dmg nerf in TDM, and thing that damage pets dont give % dmg in CTF is glitch. You wrote "now nerf the dmg in tdm", if u wrote about pets dmg, my bad I understood that u talking about overall rogues dmg.
Also Of course I know you. Try to remember mage who killed u in TDM, 1v1 without stunlock 4-0. So it really looks like u are crying, cause ur lackin of skills, to kill underpowered AL mage. Pm me if you have something to tell me, dont raise drama in forums

[RDX]

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First of all this thread is about rogues dmg nerf in TDM, and thing that damage pets dont give % dmg in CTF is glitch. You wrote "now nerf the dmg in tdm", if u wrote about pets dmg, my bad I understood that u talking about overall rogues dmg.
Also Of course I know you. Try to remember mage who killed u in TDM, 1v1 without stunlock 4-0. So it really looks like u are crying, cause ur lackin of skills, to kill underpowered AL mage. Pm me if you have something to tell me, dont raise drama in forums

U r the drama maker .dnt be personal next time.and ye many player killed me idc and remeber like u..*i killd u 4-0* r u my fan?.

[UndeadJudge]

Ladies please...chill out.


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[Xeusx]

You guys are making this suggestion thread become drama thread, just...lol.

[Kakashis]

Hey Madnex,

The % scaling issue is a pretty thorny one in its current implementation. Given how Rogues perform currently, our feeling is that it's ok to nurf them a bit in PvP.

We know the scaling issue is there and it is on our list to address. Unfortunately, Rome wasn't built in a day Thanks in advance for your understanding.

Thanks Samhayne, rogues definitely need a bit of a nerf for the other classes to stand a chance! In this case, it's just for the same rules to apply in TDM

[Zynzyn]

Can you design the pets in a way that do not shaft rogues, as well? As pet damage grows higher, the differences matter much less.

Example:
15% pets
Now, on top of the 10% damage nerf, we have another 15%. This makes for a total of 25%. That's a lot of damage missing! :/

As of right now, it's okay due to mythic gear being L31-36. So, even the current damage hits hard. As the game advances, so will the pets. Thus, if you can make sure it's not on the back burner for too long - that'd be appreciated!

Zeus is right and I totally agree with his opinion. Can something be done so that the 10% dmg nerf in ctf remains intact but the rogues dont miss out on their pet's dmg boost? Rogues might be having it very easy at endgame and higher levels due to mythic gears and mythic rings and arcane rings. However, below 40-41 and 31-36 brackets also. a wide range of players play pvp and it is very unfair for rogues at these levels to lose so much damage.

Rules affecting pvp should not be made with only one section of players ( endgame and higher levels) in mind. Besides the kill-machine rogues of endgame, there are also rogues who play pvp at lvls ranging from 7-17 for example. Pets should certainly give rogues in ctf the dmg boost that their description promises. It is needed. Why should ALL rogues in ctf be scapegoats to keep endgame high-dmg rogues nerfed? Please find a solution to this.

[MoloToha]

I believe that the reason of rogues being a bit OP in PvP is that aimed shot crit calculation bug (which results in one-shotting mages), not their uber-high damage stat or something like that.

[Crazymobkiller]

Its okay to nerf rogues in pvp, I understand.
However, taking away the %dmg boost from dmg pets is another story therefore its unfair for the people who spend millions for arcane pets in hope to receive the % dmg as intended to find out later that this % damage is nerfed in CTF.
It kinda sucks

[UndeadJudge]

20+ rogues don't need any sort of damage buff though, I play 27 and can still get 1 comboed even though I have 2.7k HP and 1k armor.

I really don't get why scaling is so off below 20...but as Sam said, they are aware of it but they will need time to work on it.


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[Vaeriu]

I believe that the damage % nerf could be kept at 10-15% for rogues at tdm and ctf
However, I am quite sore about how the pet damage percentages do not show.
I agree rogues were op without the damage nerfs and the pet damage percentage nerfs, especially at higher end game levels.
But rogues like us who reside at lower levels don't one combo lol, a combo at best does 1/2 to a warrior at lvl 15 and 1/3 to a warrior at lvl 13-14; easily healable with hor and vb and this is considering the fact that we crit everytime and at the highest possible damage, which is not possible.
So maybe keep the 10% damage nerf to rogues but not allowing it to completely override the damage percentage boosts from pets?
Thanks!
*Rogues do need a nerf. Even at lower levels, but this nerf in ctf is too much to handle. Fights take forever if we don't get extremely lucky with crits against warriors.

[UndeadJudge]

Big thanks to mods, issue is fixed in new update.


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[pradee]

U nerfed % in ctf ok now in tdm too
My lvl 33 rogue have 320 dmg now n warrior can easily reach 320 plus dmg and have insane hp plus their heal is amazing, ur making all dmg pets useless and plus u took away 10 percent dmg of rogues without pet it feels we r fighting with no pet with warriors n mages.
Coming to mages I already seen mages with 484 dmg in lvl 33 which is alot of dmg before nerfing us mage use 3 or 4 skills in 1v1 and we r toasted and now u made us weakest in all classes it makes u feel like u r dummy ,end game ppl with arcane ring n mythic bow dont feel the difference in dmg but what about low lvls think about it

[pradee]

And now rogue critics is so rare its equal to dovabear panic

[UndeadJudge]

And now rogue critics is so rare its equal to dovabear panic

The update did not affect critical rate.


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[Haligali]

Buff rogues!