I think it gets worse and does more damage each time it passes to someone. So one person gets it, infects another, then that person infects a third. It can keep passing, and you hear a faster ticking each time. This is usually the cause of party wipes ive seen. The second, third, etc degree of gold fever hurts a lot more
Kujen 56 Bird / Rahki 55 Bear / Silvanya 55 Mage
Was about to say the opposite actually.Originally Posted by Kujen
I always survive from a passed on fever, assuming I'm the only one in range that has it.
Though we've wiped on some people who are just careless in running into the group with one fever, and eventually everyone gets it and hardly separates.
What I notice the most is 2-3 tanks, one gets fever and it explodes passing it on to the rest of the tanks, and they don't move. Those 3 explosions definitely kill them.
Imho, agreed....I can usually withstand the one hit if I have aggro, but if someone piles on top of me while I have the fever, it seems that when the bomb goes off it does MASSIVE damage...something like maybe people being close to you and passing it on to them causes it to crit hit you.
I am not sure, I just know that my pretty sturdy bear easily takes the Fever hit whenever I am in the clear from other party members, but last night when playing with randoms, they kept piling on top of me while I had it while tanking. I got wiped instantly...not to mention the offending party members all got Fever and wiped themselves.
edit: It's possible I just took a bomb hit and then immediately a crit hit from Goldpants and I would've been hurting anyway...still, the party needlessly wiped themselves with Fever from piling on.
Last edited by Moogerfooger; 02-28-2011 at 09:49 PM.
Moogerfooger - Dex Bird | Moogerfoogerz - Dual Bear |Brutalityz - loser mage
Agree what Moog stated, specifically regards to when people pile up on the person with !fever bomb. MASSIVE damage and, I wonder if it's somehow level related. (OR armor/hp related: do lv55 bear suffer 1 bomb hit death like bird do? or it's stated already that I miss read it)
Example #1: (lv55 w/ good armor matters ? )
4 lv55 birds Moog, Elar, Kujen & me, usually it's Moog and Elar with !fever bomb/agro, with or without red orb. They dont 1 hit die, or typically dont die, and rarely at all we have death cuz we know what to do etc.
When they get hit with bomb, it either 1) deplete 50% 2) deplete 70%, able to survive 1 additional hit from GF or health pot/heal from Attackelf back to normal. and we keep good distance / repluse shot to decrease chance to be hit too.
Example #2: (piles on top matters)
For reasons of: 1) increase pink drop rate 2) fun 3) cost Elar gold 4) delay Elar to LV56 5) Gllutony said it the moment I thought about to do it
I snuck up to Elar when he had !fever bomb, he died instantly the moment it went off, me 10% left, I health pot, ran away, survived bomb and, smiled.
Example #3: (distance matters)
I started to have some agro/!fever bomb when I got scrab bow and faster finger dancing. I dont die if i remember to potand there was one time, GF and I were in the middle of the room, I got !fever and a hit or two, 50% or less health, cant move. Started running towards entrance with repluse shot to push, and with gang's repluse shot help too, by the time I reached entrance cave I potted to full health, and GF is still towards the other end of cave coming towards me, bomb went off, and only took 20%-25% of my full health, oppose to the typicall 50% to 70% HP depletion I get when have !fever in close/mid range distance.
Example#4: (skills matters)
Lv50-54 i typically would die instantly when with !bomb, maybe it's with combination of lower armor, bad health potting, piling on, staying next to GF or, just being stupid.
Mits - "die like a Mits" - the original noob that hangs around fire for too long
Mitsuisun Lv56 full dex bird | Mitsuimoon lv56 full int mage | Mitsuistar str/dex bear
LOL. You made me waste so much gold! The whole team was thinking "die Elar" in their minds, and fire traps always got me when I was using 6k pots -.- I got 56 though... EventuallyAgree what Moog stated, specifically regards to when people pile up on the person with !fever bomb. MASSIVE damage and, I wonder if it's somehow level related. (OR armor/hp related: do lv55 bear suffer 1 bomb hit death like bird do? or it's stated already that I miss read it)
Example #1: (lv55 w/ good armor matters ? )
4 lv55 birds Moog, Elar, Kujen & me, usually it's Moog and Elar with !fever bomb/agro, with or without red orb. They dont 1 hit die, or typically dont die, and rarely at all we have death cuz we know what to do etc.
When they get hit with bomb, it either 1) deplete 50% 2) deplete 70%, able to survive 1 additional hit from GF or health pot/heal from Attackelf back to normal. and we keep good distance / repluse shot to decrease chance to be hit too.
Example #2: (piles on top matters)
For reasons of: 1) increase pink drop rate 2) fun 3) cost Elar gold 4) delay Elar to LV56 5) Gllutony said it the moment I thought about to do it
I snuck up to Elar when he had !fever bomb, he died instantly the moment it went off, me 10% left, I health pot, ran away, survived bomb and, smiled.
Example #3: (distance matters)
I started to have some agro/!fever bomb when I got scrab bow and faster finger dancing. I dont die if i remember to pot
Example#4: (skills matters)
Lv50-54 i typically would die instantly when with !bomb, maybe it's with combination of lower armor, bad health potting, piling on, staying next to GF or, just being stupid.
We were a great team, hardly died to mobs/ boss (only to those darn fire traps). Well unless we were trying to kill someone on purpose of course (I won) And gold fever could only get one bomb in before dying.
Here's what happens to me with gold fever :
- When I have the fever and someone is near me, I die most of the time.
- If I'm alone, usually I lose 25% health but sometimes it hits hard, maybe crit?
- When I'm in a team with moogiefoogie, mitsu, kujen and a mage I don't think any of us focus on breaking chests with orbs. Our aoe attacks usually take care of it.
PL : Elar - 56 Bird | Jiabli - 55 Mage | Signos - 55 Bear | Nisrok - 21 Bear | Hedice - 21 Bird
SL : Elar - 25 Operative | Formora - 25 Commando | Signos - 13 Engineer
Yeah I noticed that. When I go to runs with you guys its just so fast I don't even think about the chests. On Saturday we where clocking the average runs at 3:45 and the potted one at 3:08 I think.LOL. You made me waste so much gold! The whole team was thinking "die Elar" in their minds, and fire traps always got me when I was using 6k pots -.- I got 56 though... Eventually
We were a great team, hardly died to mobs/ boss (only to those darn fire traps). Well unless we were trying to kill someone on purpose of course (I won
Here's what happens to me with gold fever :
- When I have the fever and someone is near me, I die most of the time.
- If I'm alone, usually I lose 25% health but sometimes it hits hard, maybe crit?
- When I'm in a team with moogiefoogie, mitsu, kujen and a mage I don't think any of us focus on breaking chests with orbs. Our aoe attacks usually take care of it.
I also noticed the person that gets hit with the fever gets stunned most of the time.
Agree, when one get hit with fever, also gets stunned pretty much 80%, especially when standing short/mid range to GF ( in my experience )
Sorry off-topic to OP:
@Elar, it's all karma, eventually deaths evens out, if i die first, that means you next. seeing a message that require immediate response while crossing firepit doesnt help too, and of course it comes back to bite ya. It's just death rotation. at the end we all won when causing each other death intentionally and our death/pink perdiction is really spot on most of the time to the point that it's scary lol.
@Echelong
Thank you for timing the runs, it was mad fun when trying to hit the goal and perform intensively 200%, i dont think we had any chat on the damage pot run and that's rare lol. Since the team has hit 56, perhaps we can do couple more just for timing sake and see if we can shave that 7 secs ( i remember it was 3:07 with damage pot) and get it under 3 mins with damage pot.
I think at the time we grouped, Elar/Kujen/me were all using auto-bow, and Moog swap between sent gun/scarb bow. Long distance hit while charging into mobs helps/adds up, when all 3-4 birds does that with skills/attack. No one had hesitiation of travel/stop or extra movement on runs, all birds buff time were syncrhonized, reduce travel times and with right orbing / # of mini-boss I am sure we can achieve runs under 3 mins with damage pots.
Another idea, is also add speed pot; OR we all trash pot, try to kill GF without getting fever to avoid 1-hit glitch death.
Our other comparable good runs if not even faster than mid 3mins without damage pot, were with Warhammerben da traffic control bear. Rarely we had to health pot because mobs either die from distance, or ben would already gather them ALL around before they touch us.
I was just along for the ride, you guys are the skilled players
Mits - "die like a Mits" - the original noob that hangs around fire for too long
Mitsuisun Lv56 full dex bird | Mitsuimoon lv56 full int mage | Mitsuistar str/dex bear
Yes we should do that sometime and congratz on 56. It was one of the best moments I've had on PL and the next time we do damage pot runs we should use speed pots. I will be on tonight after work so lets see if we can get the group together.
Yes, thanks for helping us time our runs
Karma?! What did I do?Agree, when one get hit with fever, also gets stunned pretty much 80%, especially when standing short/mid range to GF ( in my experience )
Sorry off-topic to OP:
@Elar, it's all karma, eventually deaths evens out, if i die first, that means you next. seeing a message that require immediate response while crossing firepit doesnt help too, and of course it comes back to bite ya. It's just death rotation. at the end we all won when causing each other death intentionally and our death/pink perdiction is really spot on most of the time to the point that it's scary lol.
@Echelong
Thank you for timing the runs, it was mad fun when trying to hit the goal and perform intensively 200%, i dont think we had any chat on the damage pot run and that's rare lol. Since the team has hit 56, perhaps we can do couple more just for timing sake and see if we can shave that 7 secs ( i remember it was 3:07 with damage pot) and get it under 3 mins with damage pot.
I think at the time we grouped, Elar/Kujen/me were all using auto-bow, and Moog swap between sent gun/scarb bow. Long distance hit while charging into mobs helps/adds up, when all 3-4 birds does that with skills/attack. No one had hesitiation of travel/stop or extra movement on runs, all birds buff time were syncrhonized, reduce travel times and with right orbing / # of mini-boss I am sure we can achieve runs under 3 mins with damage pots.
Another idea, is also add speed pot; OR we all trash pot, try to kill GF without getting fever to avoid 1-hit glitch death.
Our other comparable good runs if not even faster than mid 3mins without damage pot, were with Warhammerben da traffic control bear. Rarely we had to health pot because mobs either die from distance, or ben would already gather them ALL around before they touch us.
I was just along for the ride, you guys are the skilled playersIt definitely does not even out. I have double the deaths of everyone, and Kujen/Eche hardly died.
Yes, I remember our first drop. You were chanting "PINK FEVER" like a second before GF died, and got a recipe. I think we had 3-4 after that?
PL : Elar - 56 Bird | Jiabli - 55 Mage | Signos - 55 Bear | Nisrok - 21 Bear | Hedice - 21 Bird
SL : Elar - 25 Operative | Formora - 25 Commando | Signos - 13 Engineer
We had a party last night of 55s doing repeat Hideout runs (Kujen hope you finally made it to 56 -- you were really close when I left) and I'll just add my observations about the Fever. I am still not sure I quite understand all the mechanics of it, but I can at least add what I do know. Our party was made up of a pally, pure mage and three pure dex birds. We always cleared the board including Gold Fever before the xp pots expired.
When our pally was running with the only damage pot, we could clear the board and kill Gold Fever the fastest. The pally would take the initial aggro and stay in the corner with Gold Fever. The birds would spread out and and use our distance skills (basically everything except the screams). Our mage would spam heal and skill attack from a distance toward the back. The pally would be the only one with the fever and would never take more than a half damage explosion. The fever never spread and Gold Fever would go down before getting the green orb more than once. Taking down the chest never seemed to get rid of the fever, but the infected pally wasn't the one taking it out.
When I potted my bird in addition to the pally having the damage pot, it actaully slowed down the boss fight a little. However, we would still come in under the 5 minute xp pot expiration. What would happen is that the pally would get initial aggro, but it would switch to me if I opened up with a fast skill shot combo (break armor, blinding shot, blast shot, repulse shot). Once aggro switched to me, Gold Fever would immediately try and leave the corner and get to my bird. Also, I would be the one with the fever. Since we were all spread out, it wouldn't spread. The closer Gold Fever was to me at the time of the explosion, the more damage I would take (plus he is following up with hits). However, if I still never took more than a 70% hit to health and could quickly health pot back to full health. Taking out the chest didn't seem to cure my fever, but with multiple birds shooting at it, there is no way to be sure I was the one that actually hit the kill shot on chest.
The only time we had multiple party member deaths from the fever is when a bear was added to the group when one of the birds left. It appeared to happen when a beckon would move Gold Fever around the room and result in the bear (who would hold aggro most of the time) was moving after Gold Fever because of auto-lock and would spread the fever among party members he came in contact with. If two people were on top of one another at the time the fever exploded, it was generally surviveable if they had close to full health. However, if more than two were infected and close to each other, it was a three person (or more) one hit death. Incidentially, this was the slowest boss kill method. We could generally come in under 5 minutes. Couple times we didn't.
So I think the biggest factor in a fast boss kill with the smallest amount of fever damage is all about party spacing and allowing one "tank"/player to keep aggro and simply stand on top of Gold Fever without using skills to move him around the room (other than to keep him in the corner). Just my thoughts anyway.
After fighting him for a few hundred runs, based on my observations I think:
1. Damage appears to be variable. The first round does not generally kill. However, subsequent rounds (as Kujen noted) can kill. The first time that he casts does the least amount of damage. Should it reach the third round, a pure strength level 55-56 bear in full hate/rift can be killed in one hit at full health. The second degree is enough to often one hit ko a pure int mage without shield or pure dex bird.
2. Interesting thing about mana shield. When mana shield is at full power, I have never sustained any health damage from him, despite the fact that the bomb is theroetically able to deplete my mana reserves and do some health damage in one hit.
3. Spread distance may be random. Sometimes, even if you stay near a person with fever, you won't get it. Other times, you can get it at a 3m distance.
4. Blowing the chest SOMETIMES cures the fever - but that's a big sometimes. Nonetheless, always blow chests ASAP - the sooner the chest is blown, the lower the probability that the fever will do a lot of damage. The orb also seems to significantly buff his armor (though not nearly as much as shields from Keeper or Overlord from A03) and increases the chances of fever being spread. Having the fever go fast if the chest dies is just gravy.I think that there may be some sort of time limit after the first time he infects a player (ex: blow a chest in x seconds and fever has a higher chance of being cured). Target the chest with cruel blast, hot flash, drain life, whatever does a lot of damage and fast. Infected bears should generally stay away, but uninfected ones should break off, use crippling blow and super mega right away on the chest too.
5. Attempting to move away from the group sometimes spreads the fever, even if you move in the opposite direction to the rest of the group. If you get fever, I think it may be best just to stop moving. I think that moving increases the spread radius somehow. Hopefully, your team will get away from you and nobody has a very high ping.
6. The further you are from your teammates, the lower the probability of high damage from bomb, although bomb can still do high damage.
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