Ripmaw Replaced by Slag the Fire Elemental on Thursday - Comparison - UPDATED!

[Darko]

You are very persistent. You judge on stats - they look good for late stage of the game (36lvl >). Arcane ability of mccraw is chance to bleed and it's ridiculously low damage.
Mali is twice as effective in pvp and pve for rogue and his party. Mccraw is not even in top10 of pet's list.
I bought it for 900k in hope for cool pet, it was my mistake.

So I'm curious, what would be your top ten pets for rouge???

[jtst]

Try being a warrior, fire choppa sword was inncorrct on stats peopke made millions for it thinking ot had 90 sone odd damage, sts changes it to 50 sone odd damage making it worthless......... and THAN the axe of potency was best weapon, axe of assualt wasn't, (these are platinum based weapons, so real money mind you) and they updatr it, makibg potency worthless, and axe better....making it so the rich lost millions, and the poor who could only afford the assault now had one of the best weapons in the game.. lol talk about socialism. ...so im very happy this change is made beforr release

I don't see how it is related to my post. Besides, I play warrior and rogue (mage is too much fun to play for me, so I refuse of such euphoria).

[Zuzeq]

Agreed a 30dex pet is needed, lets just wait to see if ita release with ALL new pets being released.....the one difference I might add though is rouges are the only class that can duel spec....putting attributes in strength actually imprive your health ans you can balance it to make it high d amage higher health. .. a warrior CANNOT do that ..period.. our best stats are 100% in str. If we put anythibg in dexz our health, dps , ANd damage all go down...crit and dodge barely even move. So when u feel left out of the 30++ club, feel lucky you have the ability to spec like that, a rouge can get 4000 health like warrior. .....a warrior CANNOT get above 210 dps no matter what we can't sacrafice health for damage and dps.....feel lucky

Sir,

We do feel lucky. I do believe Assassins are suppose to be versatile. Tanks are Tanks, thats your job. Mages dominate AOE and crowd control, thats their job. An Assassin's job is to be the "Jack of All Trades" and Masters of the "Final Blow". Yet we are speaking about toons and how the spec etc.. We are not talking about toons at all in fact. We are speaking about pets and the stats they alone grant. Lets go Dr. Seuss(slag for make thing as simple as possible), There are three main stat fields to which pet currently improve STR, INT and DEX. As of now there are pets to grant 30+ to STR and INT. If one does not want to create a pet that grants 30+ DEX(would only be fair) then don't...this is fine. The problem is they showed community a product and openly advertised it. Then, they took it away before it was tested in gamplay. That's the problem..

[Dervy]

Sir,

We do feel lucky. I do believe Assassins are suppose to be versatile. Tanks are Tanks, thats your job. Mages dominate AOE and crowd control, thats their job. An Assassin's job is to be the "Jack of All Trades" and Masters of the "Final Blow". Yet we are speaking about toons and how the spec etc.. We are not talking about toons at all in fact. We are speaking about pets and the stats they alone grant. Lets go Dr. Seuss(slag for make thing as simple as possible), There are three main stat fields to which pet currently improve STR, INT and DEX. As of now there are pets to grant 30+ to STR and INT. If one does not want to create a pet that grants 30+ DEX(would only be fair) then don't...this is fine. The problem is they showed community a product and openly advertised it. Then, they took it away before it was tested in gamplay. That's the problem..

Totally agree in this one..

[Limsi]

Who knows, they might introduce a 30dex pet soon and MAYBE AND HOPEFULLY it would cost around 40-100 plat, the same for Clyde and Hazel. Who knows, they might make it droppable in the world and decide not to make it a gamble scheme.

[jtst]

So I'm curious, what would be your top ten pets for rouge???

hammer, glacian, mali, ripmaw, flap, wrathjaw, kettle, horton, jack, granite, and even loki better in my opinion (15% damage is a lot, party +20dex is super when there are 3-4rogues)

[wvhills]

Yeah, I also was going to buy this pet but you just saved me 250 plats.

Here's an fyi:

Kettle gives 15 dex, 15 int, 15 str and 10 damage. So the difference in kettle and a mythic pet is 2 more damage, 10 movement speed and 5 less str. Kettle's arcane ability adds 12 movement speed. So the only difference is slag's arcane damage and it has 5 less str. Oh, and it costs 250 plat. I think I'll use kettle as my backup to malison pet.

[octavos]

Yeah, I also was going to buy this pet but you just saved me 250 plats.

Here's an fyi:

Kettle gives 15 dex, 15 int, 15 str and 10 damage. So the difference in kettle and a mythic pet is 2 more damage, 10 movement speed and 5 less str. Kettle's arcane ability adds 12 movement speed. So the only difference is slag's arcane damage and it has 5 less str. Oh, and it costs 250 plat. I think I'll use kettle as my backup to malison pet.

im gonna work for a kettel, thx for info...saved me the hassel.

[Darko]

Sir,

We do feel lucky. I do believe Assassins are suppose to be versatile. Tanks are Tanks, thats your job. Mages dominate AOE and crowd control, thats their job. An Assassin's job is to be the "Jack of All Trades" and Masters of the "Final Blow". Yet we are speaking about toons and how the spec etc.. We are not talking about toons at all in fact. We are speaking about pets and the stats they alone grant. Lets go Dr. Seuss(slag for make thing as simple as possible), There are three main stat fields to which pet currently improve STR, INT and DEX. As of now there are pets to grant 30+ to STR and INT. If one does not want to create a pet that grants 30+ DEX(would only be fair) then don't...this is fine. The problem is they showed community a product and openly advertised it. Then, they took it away before it was tested in gamplay. That's the problem..

Now imagine having a weapon actually in game play , you purchase it at a price, for the stats, than they change and worsen those stats in gameplay, that is far worse....and hear ill dr suess dumb it down too.....when you pick a pet, you base it off your build.....since rouges are versistile as you put it a Jack of all trades (pretty much u said they are op , which in sts they have always been high dps low health, not high health) , than they have the ability to spex according to each pet.....again other classes cannot do that, you can give y poo urself higher mana or health and still have best damage in game.....toons have everything to do with pet...u can use all of warriors pets, mali, ribbit, rip...we are terrible using granite or mccraw... and come on youe best at dps, crit, dodge, damage, speed, skills, cd time, mana regen, pet usage, medical packs, spexing, final blow, first blow, or any blow for that matter. And now you want best pet??? I mean really?..

[Darko]

[QUOTE=jtst;1025281]hammer, glacian, mali, ripmaw, flap, wrathjaw, kettle, horton, jack, granite, and even loki better in my opinion (15% damage is a lot, party +20dex is super when there are 3-4rogues)[/QUOTe

Okay so u just got glacian (I know its rare) now u also want the next best as well??

[JaytB]

If you think about it, a 10% increase in dodge would be equal to a 10% increase in health points. And since critical hits are on average around 100% extra damage (depending on the skill used), then a 10% crit increase would be equal to a 10% increase in damage. I think you under estimate the stats of McCaw. I'm not even a rogue but I still use McCraw on occasion. For a rogue I think McCaw would be excellent, if not for PvE then definitely for PvP. The extra speed is always good as well.

As said, I have McCraw on my rogue and PvE'd with it extensively, as do many other friends I know. So whatever the numbers say, in real elite runs, the survivability is very noticably less. The people I run with and own McCraw all seem to agree with it seeing as they barely ever use it.

So, for PvE I'm honestly convinced you're overestimating its stats. Let me explain why...

Survivability in elite runs is an issue with McCraw and the damage isn't nowhere near as high as you showed in your number crunching.

First, 10% dodge is not even comparable with 10% health. Dodge means an attack has a chance to miss but if it doesn't miss, your armor and health points determine whether you survive or get 1 hit killed.

Furthermore, 10% crit can't be simply 'converted' to 10 Dmg and crits don't do 100% more dmg with the exception of AS (with the proper upgrade).

If you'd correctly look at the numbers (after the most recent str/dex/int changes) and compare McCraw with for example Malison, you'd see Malison deals almost exactly the same dmg. It only has 4-5% less crit and 10% less dodge but adds a LOT of, desperately needed, HP, mana and some base damage in the process. Try surviving the one hit kills in Elite SS with Mcraw vs Malison, I'm pretty sure you'd be surprised with the difference in survivability and the equality of time needed to kill everything around.

I'd say, you really would have to try it out yourself. You know I like a good discussion and mean it in a friendly way when I say that I disagree on your statement of me underestimating its stats. In my humble opinion, it is you who are overestimating them

On topic: I still hope this new pet will get a slight increase in str/dex/int as mentioned in one of my previous posts

[Darko]

As said, I have McCraw on my rogue and PvE'd with it extensively, as do many other friends I know. So whatever the numbers say, in real elite runs, the survivability is very noticably less. The people I run with and own McCraw all seem to agree with it seeing as they barely ever use it.

So, for PvE I'm honestly convinced you're overestimating its stats. Let me explain why...

Survivability in elite runs is an issue with McCraw and the damage isn't nowhere near as high as you showed in your number crunching.

First, 10% dodge is not even comparable with 10% health. Dodge means an attack has a chance to miss but if it doesn't miss, your armor and health points determine whether you survive or get 1 hit killed.

Furthermore, 10% crit can't be simply 'converted' to 10 Dmg and crits don't do 100% more dmg with the exception of AS (with the proper upgrade).

If you'd correctly look at the numbers (after the most recent str/dex/int changes) and compare McCraw with for example Malison, you'd see Malison deals almost exactly the same dmg. It only has 4-5% less crit and 10% less dodge but adds a LOT of, desperately needed, HP, mana and some base damage in the process. Try surviving the one hit kills in Elite SS with Mcraw vs Malison, I'm pretty sure you'd be surprised with the difference in survivability and the equality of time needed to kill everything around.

I'd say, you really would have to try it out yourself. You know I like a good discussion and mean it in a friendly way when I say that I disagree on your statement of me underestimating its stats. In my humble opinion, it is you who are overestimating them

On topic: I still hope this new pet will get a slight increase in str/dex/int as mentioned in one of my previous posts

I will venture to say survivalability has everything to do with vengeful blood change on warrior. ..we can no longer heal a group like we used to in pve, we have to worry about our own self now....I have hard time keeping others alive in elite....cause im constantly potting health and mana since taunt means im the one getting hit...I agree would be nice to have it 20 + LIKE MALI. . So its less like kettle

[jtst]

[QUOTE=Darko;1025291]

hammer, glacian, mali, ripmaw, flap, wrathjaw, kettle, horton, jack, granite, and even loki better in my opinion (15% damage is a lot, party +20dex is super when there are 3-4rogues)[/QUOTe

Okay so u just got glacian (I know its rare) now u also want the next best as well??

What are you implying? You asked to explain my position about McCraw - I answered, you asked what pets i suggest better, i responded again. And now what kind of question is that?
I see, you come here to CRY and Whine and Blame Rogues, not to discuss anything. You made yourself believe that your opinion and voice matters higher than others.
We make here suggestion to make it the game we would play and enjoy, so please keep your posts constructive and out of your hysteria and drama.

[Darko]

hammer, glacian, mali, ripmaw, flap, wrathjaw, kettle, horton, jack, granite, and even loki better in my opinion (15% damage is a lot, party +20dex is super when there are 3-4rogues)

See and a lot of pvpers use nexus and ribbit as welll......warriors have this (rip, ribbit, mali, hazel, koko, wyatt, shiloh, kettle) see how many u can use as well? ?? The ones u don't like shiloh ans koko are flag running pets....simple...wyatt is the ONLY pet built strctly for a warriors offensive output.....

[Zuzeq]

Now imagine having a weapon actually in game play , you purchase it at a price, for the stats, than they change and worsen those stats in gameplay, that is far worse....and hear ill dr suess dumb it down too.....when you pick a pet, you base it off your build.....since rouges are versistile as you put it a Jack of all trades (pretty much u said they are op , which in sts they have always been high dps low health, not high health) , than they have the ability to spex according to each pet.....again other classes cannot do that, you can give y poo urself higher mana or health and still have best damage in game.....toons have everything to do with pet...u can use all of warriors pets, mali, ribbit, rip...we are terrible using granite or mccraw... and come on youe best at dps, crit, dodge, damage, speed, skills, cd time, mana regen, pet usage, medical packs, spexing, final blow, first blow, or any blow for that matter. And now you want best pet??? I mean really?..

Sir,

You're still not getting it. We....are....not...talking...about...toons. You keep referring to toons and what pets can do for toons. Pet tread here, we are talking about pets. There is currently no pet that grants 30+ to DEX stop....they avertised one stop...they pulled it stop. This isn't a class war. I'm simply stated that I have a issue with the marketing. Yet, you keep ranting about Assassins can do this, Assassins can do that and us poor Tanks have to bow down cause their too OP. Take that, go to gerneral section, start a tread titled "We hate Assassins", "Us poor Tanks", "Cry Baby Tanks are Us" or "Assassins Vs Tanks, the true AL story". Slag/pet tread no class v class. Look what you made me do...lol. I tried not to be rude or sarcastic, but you forced my hand. You know what, nevermind all that. I'm sorry, send me a friend request K?

[Zanpakuto]

We'll, now my warrior will definitely be getting one!

[Dervy]

Sir,

You're still not getting it. We....are....not...talking...about...toons. You keep referring to toons and what pets can do for toons. Pet tread here, we are talking about pets. There is currently no pet that grants 30+ to DEX stop....they avertised one stop...they pulled it stop. This isn't a class war. I'm simply stated that I have a issue with the marketing. Yet, you keep ranting about Assassins can do this, Assassins can do that and us poor Tanks have to bow down cause their too OP. Take that, go to gerneral section, start a tread titled "We hate Assassins", "Us poor Tanks", "Cry Baby Tanks are Us" or "Assassins Vs Tanks, the true AL story". Slag/pet tread no class v class. Look what you made me do...lol. I tried not to be rude or sarcastic, but you forced my hand. You know what, nevermind all that. I'm sorry, send me a friend request K?

LOL!!!!!!!!

[Samhayne]

Hey guys, just a quick reminder to please keep the conversation friendly and on an even keel. Ok? Thanks!

[Mysticaleagle]

^Thisss.

[Darko]

LOL!!!!!!!!

So that was uncalled for, I never said anybody was whining, my feedback was constructive detailing how a +10 str pet does same as +30 dex pet for warrior...saying im crying r us, and whining is not within forum rules....and yes pets still have everything to do with toons...pets = class warefare because they are now included in pvp...if no pets were in pvp we wouldn't be having this convo...I would have loved a rouge on my team having that op pet in pve... however with pets in pvp this is the problem it presents.. I also might add that I own two rouges, one 26, 1 for twinking....IMO they are op and I find no enjoyment as a player obliterating people in 1-3 seconds...there's no challenge, takes zero skill to do... All im doing is standing up for warriors and mages alike so its balanced....if rouges get nerfed bad, ill stand up for you as well....as I already have in this thread sayibg you need 30 dex pet and maybe I ts upcoming in new pets, bottom line this pet does not truly benefit any clas over the other which is why I like it...all classes can use it... and jist like ripmaw, how mythic pets should be