Is it by Design? Why is the Attack Range of Bulwark Ridiculously Short?

[Crowsfoot]

It's based on the raw Damage value of the attacker, and does not include modifiers for things like level difference, scaled bonus damage and the like which is why you're seeing such things I imagine

So the bulwark, an extremely low damage weapon, deals approximately half the user's damage stat as reflect damage? Mildly dispointing. I understand making it proportional to damage intake encourages low armor tanks to use it in PvP and may become OP. However, the gear now encourages high damage and thus lower survivability. Wouldn't basing the reflect on armor be a good compromise? That would mainly help the PvE aspect since no tank will do PvP with under 400 DPS.

One thing I did notice, is the reflect damage was causing mobs be less likely to attack another target. Is this because the hits are considered to be dealt by the user, unlike a DoT, or is there a taunt aspect to the proc?

[Crowsfoot]

@the conqueror's wall, many mobs are immune to the stun. I've only seen it work on spear users and archers.

[utpal]

@the conqueror's wall, many mobs are immune to the stun. I've only seen it work on spear users and archers.

who care mobs when it can stun all bosses (yes including OP bosses Helena, ursoth, rendtail, inan and alargan)
it also stun those green serpent dragons in rockhorn summit map.
dnt know about armaldo dragons.

[Serancha]

So to the point. Is there any buff planned on this weapon at all? It's worth less than 1/4 of the other mythics, which is all the proof we need that it is a highly undesirable weapon in its current form.

[utpal]

So to the point. Is there any buff planned on this weapon at all? It's worth less than 1/4 of the other mythics, which is all the proof we need that it is a highly undesirable weapon in its current form.

I dnt see a hint of buffing it on dev's reply.

[Crowsfoot]

So to the point. Is there any buff planned on this weapon at all? It's worth less than 1/4 of the other mythics, which is all the proof we need that it is a highly undesirable weapon in its current form.

That's what it sounds like. Not going to stop me from typing up a thread on possible changes after I can test more (1 day and 16 hours left on my last gem).

[Carapace]

So the bulwark, an extremely low damage weapon, deals approximately half the user's damage stat as reflect damage? Mildly dispointing. I understand making it proportional to damage intake encourages low armor tanks to use it in PvP and may become OP. However, the gear now encourages high damage and thus lower survivability. Wouldn't basing the reflect on armor be a good compromise? That would mainly help the PvE aspect since no tank will do PvP with under 400 DPS.

One thing I did notice, is the reflect damage was causing mobs be less likely to attack another target. Is this because the hits are considered to be dealt by the user, unlike a DoT, or is there a taunt aspect to the proc?

Seems I was misunderstood, that is how the Curse damage the attacker takes reflected back on them is calculated. Using the attackers raw damage value. The players stats are irrelevant in the reflection damage related to the curse.

It does in fact generate a bit more hate, because that extra damage being dealt from the reflection is still coming off of you.

[mahony]

ok im confused ... is bulwark better than glaive ?

[Carapace]

ok im confused ... is bulwark better than glaive ?

They are different. The Glaive is an offensive weapon, while the Bulwark is primarily a defensive weapon. It is apples to oranges based on how you play your warrior in my opinion.

[mahony]

so bulwark isn't good its a defensive weapon ? lol im disapointed

[Crowsfoot]

Seems I was misunderstood, that is how the Curse damage the attacker takes reflected back on them is calculated. Using the attackers raw damage value.

Good to know, disproves a lot of things I've been told by players in game (I admit that I have never tested curse myself first hand).

However, mages are typically high damage players where warriors are extremely low. Not to mention that charging the bulwark is inhibited by potion spamming and a long charge time. In the two runs I tested it in, I was only able to charge the bulwark when around half the pull was dead at which point I would (the following is an assumotion, i ahve yet to test (I have a method in mind)) have netted higher damage output using a conqueror's wall. The reflect is also less appealing in a boss fight than a magmatic claymore.

I support a buff of some sort for the Bulwark. What it should be I don't know exactly but plan to narrow my opinion in a few days.

[Zeus]

They are different. The Glaive is an offensive weapon, while the Bulwark is primarily a defensive weapon. It is apples to oranges based on how you play your warrior in my opinion.

Except that the glaive's proc makes it both offensive and defensive.

[Crowsfoot]

Except that the glaive's proc makes it both offensive and defensive.

It also has two procs that are extremely powerful (the armor/Str buff and the pierce effect). One is offensive/defensive and one is pure offense.

The Bulwark has two weaker procs one defensive (+10% armor which is weekend by my passive 5% armor and a low heal) and offensive/defensive (reflect which is low damage output).

[Zeus]

It also has two procs that are extremely powerful (the armor/Str buff and the pierce effect). One is offensive/defensive and one is pure offense.

The Bulwark has two weaker procs one defensive (+10% armor which is weekend by my passive 5% armor and a low heal) and offensive/defensive (reflect which is low damage output).

So overall, it's not a weapon to use. I have not noticed a warrior become any more durable by utilizing this weapon.

[Carapace]

We are certainly interested in any ideas related to potentially bumping this item, and something may happen in the future. I'm interested in the idea of WHAT the community would like to see buffed, whether a damage buff would feel appropriate or some deeper defensive stats to really solidify its tankability.

Thanks guys!

[Crowsfoot]

We are certainly interested in any ideas related to potentially bumping this item, and something may happen in the future. I'm interested in the idea of WHAT the community would like to see buffed, whether a damage buff would feel appropriate or some deeper defensive stats to really solidify its tankability.

Thanks guys!

I plan to post a purely PvE analysis in a few days (3-5? Depends on real life).

Glad to see that the bulwark is open to possible changes.

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Thank you for the clarifications and confirmations provided.

[mahony]

so will the bulwark be buffed or changed yes or no cuz i want to know !

[Crowsfoot]

so will the bulwark be buffed or changed yes or no cuz i want to know !

Maybe....maybe not....




Maybe?

[mahony]

Maybe....maybe not....




Maybe?

crowsfoot what is your opinion buy pavise or buy bulwark ? (and how much to pay for pavise +15 ?)

[Crowsfoot]

crowsfoot what is your opinion buy pavise or buy bulwark ? (and how much to pay for pavise +15 ?)

Pavise can't hold aggro well. I tested one and had to switch to a conqueror's wall by the third pull. The slow basic attack speed and extremely low damage makes it out dated. I bought a bulwark.