character balance ( MAGEs)

[Dex Scene]

This thread cracks me up. Not the OP, but the comments that think mages have it as good as rogues.

I have a 41 mage that is completely maxed. There is not a better weapon, amulet, armor, helm or pets that I can buy. I have 3 para gems, 7 eyes and 3 perfect glacial gems. I have nearly 900 damage. Yet, out of my 400 friends, nobody was spamming me to join them on Arena runs. I struggled with this the entire weekend. I had to get proactive and make some PTs but it was challenging because those rogues and I both knew they can do it more efficiently without me in the room.

So, I decided to make a small investment into my rogue. No where near maxed. My rogue has only 600 damage compared to almost 900 on mage. I have only 50 friends on that toon, compared to 400. Within 2 minutes of my logging on, I must have gotten 10 people sending pm's like, "Arena?" Every time I play rogue, I get non stop pt requests from other rogues.

This isn't about a nerf / buff. You guys need to be realistic and acknowledge that rogues have a huge advantage in the Arena. The Arena also happens to be the place that offers the best farming and loot. So you tell me what that translates into. Richer rogues?

It's ok, when it comes time to level up to 46, and the rogues are sending me pm's to party with them, I'll stick with my mage friends so we can finish in the top 50. :P

Its called CLASS EFFECTIVENESS!! Each class has their roles!
So you guys want the AOE king class mage gets equally strong as rogue where it comes to killing bosses!!
nice!
Like I said, Mages never end asking for buffs!
Do you see your 600 damage rogue clearing mobs as fast as your mage in mines, tombs, hauntlets?

So here we are asking sts for letting the mage, which is best class to clear pve mobs, to be equally strong as rogue in killing single enemies?
why would people play rogues then?
This is not asking for class balance, its asking for making a class Overpowered.

Blame sts for making every cool events only centering around Bosses. Ask sts for more crowds in maps.
ask sts for more mage environments!!

Want to kill bosses fast? Go rogue.
want to be crowd controller? Go mage.


Mages do get parties aswel.
I guess you, a maxed out mage have friendship with mostly maxed out people?
take a look to the middle class people (ppl will 550-750 dmg ranges).
They will love to have a 900 damage mages in their PT. You just have to lower your standards while looking for a pt.

If theres a class which needs pve boost, is only warrior!!

[Squeezable]

Mages are fine, I just don't understand why they can't revive. Every MMORPG I've ever played on, mages revive. It's ridiculous, that simple skill change would make them useful in areana and tombs!

Warriors need the focus, nobody else.

[Edward Coug]

This thread cracks me up. Not the OP, but the comments that think mages have it as good as rogues.

I have a 41 mage that is completely maxed. There is not a better weapon, amulet, armor, helm or pets that I can buy. I have 3 para gems, 7 eyes and 3 perfect glacial gems. I have nearly 900 damage. Yet, out of my 400 friends, nobody was spamming me to join them on Arena runs. I struggled with this the entire weekend. I had to get proactive and make some PTs but it was challenging because those rogues and I both knew they can do it more efficiently without me in the room.

So, I decided to make a small investment into my rogue. No where near maxed. My rogue has only 600 damage compared to almost 900 on mage. I have only 50 friends on that toon, compared to 400. Within 2 minutes of my logging on, I must have gotten 10 people sending pm's like, "Arena?" Every time I play rogue, I get non stop pt requests from other rogues.

This isn't about a nerf / buff. You guys need to be realistic and acknowledge that rogues have a huge advantage in the Arena. The Arena also happens to be the place that offers the best farming and loot. So you tell me what that translates into. Richer rogues?

It's ok, when it comes time to level up to 46, and the rogues are sending me pm's to party with them, I'll stick with my mage friends so we can finish in the top 50. :P

Small investment, lol. I main rogue and have 500 dmg (unless you mean DPS). That was not a small investment. That's a well-geared rogue.

I can't feel bad that you have trouble getting parties with maxed geared friends in arena. In most of my arena runs, I have a mage, and it works well. Yes, if you have a bunch of rogues who are maxed-geared, they are going to favor a party of all rogues because it will be faster to kill bosses. However, if you're talking about 95% of the rest of the player base, this doesn't apply.

[BeoNeo]

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Lol if you think thsee guys don't get parties haha

Lol you think each mage in arlor is like this?or maybe I'm blind!

[JohnnyHardcore]

Small investment, lol. I main rogue and have 500 dmg (unless you mean DPS). That was not a small investment. That's a well-geared rogue.

I can't feel bad that you have trouble getting parties with maxed geared friends in arena. In most of my arena runs, I have a mage, and it works well. Yes, if you have a bunch of rogues who are maxed-geared, they are going to favor a party of all rogues because it will be faster to kill bosses. However, if you're talking about 95% of the rest of the player base, this doesn't apply.

500 dmg is not a well geared rogue man. Kienaca runs 730+dmg as a mage and is decently geared.

Dex... Calm down man. Not everyone is asking for a buff, the people that are won't get it, and the people that aren't are calling them ignorant and wrong. Just chill.

[mmaachilles211]

Lol you think each mage in arlor is like this?or maybe I'm blind!

Lol this doesn't happen overnight...I've been playing for over 2 years. Mages are a blast and I love playing with them and as them. If you want a pt invite show em why your worth there choice

[Kriticality]

Melisaz and Goblin. hehe

At least the events are split into classes to make it fair but you certainly have a point.

[Caabatric]

arena 100% favors rogues (only boss)
planar tombs 100% favors rogues (almost no mob density, strong mobs freezable)
wilds favors rogues (no mob density, easy mobs with little damage)
Tarewa has great mob density, hard hitting mobs, mages freeze works on the mobs(0.0 alas class balance)

[Dex Scene]

arena 100% favors rogues (only boss)
planar tombs 100% favors rogues (almost no mob density, strong mobs freezable)
wilds favors rogues (no mob density, easy mobs with little damage)
Tarewa has great mob density, hard hitting mobs, mages freeze works on the mobs(0.0 alas class balance)

Play a rogue then?
How about asking for mage environments instead of asking for mage to be great in all situations?

When my guildies ask for help in wt4 or in hauntlet for the haunted ap, I switch to my mage. Its because I understand which class rocks what. I can't stay on my rogue and whine why my rogue isn't great in aoe skills like my mage. We need class balance.

The problem is not mage being not good class like op said. Their defense and damage are very good. The problem is, all events are centered around bosses.
ask for more mobs in maps. Ask for mage environment instead!

[Oursizes]

Who cares about being effective in hauntlet or wt4, nothing drops there. I don't see why that is important. Rogues are best in all current elite maps that people farm. There's no need for a mage or a war in planar tombs or planar arena. I know this because I play all three classes at several different levels. This has been an issue for a long time but nobody brought it up because we all were waiting for revamp of the skill system. That never happened and we have had continuous rogue events.

Guess what? In a few weeks we'll have a Goblin event where there will be like 6 weak mobs that anyone can kill and a disproportionate boss that has 10 million armor. Who do you think that event will favor?

This is because you're running with the wrong people. In guild so long as there's a max of one tank in the pt, we don't care about the combination of classes. Heck, I did my t3 dailies with a 3 mage and 1 rogue pt yesterday. Its not as fast as you maxed out players can get, but we sure had a blast! Mobs hardly had a chance to attack us, because they were either stunned, frozen, or rooted the whole time. Try running with people who will value your presence in the party. Your post just makes you seem like a liability rather than an asset. The only class that really needs a buff in pve is warrior.

[CheifR]

I find it so funny when players don't think they can run with legendary gears in planar tombs. Skill is more important than gear in PvE. Better gear just makes the run faster. Legendary mages can do everything you need them to do in tombs. The mage I always run with has all legendary gear, and I never see a single vine at the boss.

Mages are totally fine as is. Warriors, on the other hand, need to be able to hold aggro. That's a far more pressing issue.

Tbh if you die quicker and don't have the ankhs to make up for it then it makes a huge difference

If you have really low dmg and it takes u FOREVER to complete it'd also be tedious and extremely inefficient even though you know how to clear the map

[Edward Coug]

500 dmg is not a well geared rogue man. Kienaca runs 730+dmg as a mage and is decently geared.

Dex... Calm down man. Not everyone is asking for a buff, the people that are won't get it, and the people that aren't are calling them ignorant and wrong. Just chill.

600 dmg on a rogue is well-geared. It's expensive to hit that mark. I did not say 500. 500 is what I have.

He made it seem like he found some loose change in between his couch cushions and slapped together a rogue, and suddenly, everybody wanted to party with him. That's just not true. He spent some serious coin.

[Edward Coug]

Tbh if you die quicker and don't have the ankhs to make up for it then it makes a huge difference

If you have really low dmg and it takes u FOREVER to complete it'd also be tedious and extremely inefficient even though you know how to clear the map

Tbh, if your gear is adequate and you take the time make friends with players who know what they're doing, the runs are neither inefficient nor tedious. I know some players who sold their good gear because they didn't need it to run planar and would rather have more gold on hand for the expansion and know many more who aren't bothering with imbued sets for the same reason. (Personally, I think that's madness, but to each his own.)

[Caabatric]

Play a rogue then?

The problem is not mage being not good class like op said. Their defense and damage are very good. The problem is, all events are centered around bosses.
ask for more mobs in maps. Ask for mage environment instead!

#willnvrplayrogue

Mage environments are fine by me c:

[CheifR]

I think a lot of you are saying "hard for mages" when you should be saying "hard for me" considering the many mages who have commented saying otherwise. I myself never see mages in the guild I'm in complain ever. Always a pt for them. WARRIORS on the other hand not so much

[VenomsChaos]

This thread cracks me up. Not the OP, but the comments that think mages have it as good as rogues.

I have a 41 mage that is completely maxed. There is not a better weapon, amulet, armor, helm or pets that I can buy. I have 3 para gems, 7 eyes and 3 perfect glacial gems. I have nearly 900 damage. Yet, out of my 400 friends, nobody was spamming me to join them on Arena runs. I struggled with this the entire weekend. I had to get proactive and make some PTs but it was challenging because those rogues and I both knew they can do it more efficiently without me in the room.

So, I decided to make a small investment into my rogue. No where near maxed. My rogue has only 600 damage compared to almost 900 on mage. I have only 50 friends on that toon, compared to 400. Within 2 minutes of my logging on, I must have gotten 10 people sending pm's like, "Arena?" Every time I play rogue, I get non stop pt requests from other rogues.

This isn't about a nerf / buff. You guys need to be realistic and acknowledge that rogues have a huge advantage in the Arena. The Arena also happens to be the place that offers the best farming and loot. So you tell me what that translates into. Richer rogues?

It's ok, when it comes time to level up to 46, and the rogues are sending me pm's to party with them, I'll stick with my mage friends so we can finish in the top 50. :P

finally someone here know what i am talking about (and i was thinking same about 46 haha)

for chiefR : i have 207 k pve kill 16000 achi point. also i have 1 rog lvl 41 1 war lvl 41.

i am not playing at normal maps. all i was runing t3 and arena last months. (last 1 month skipped t3 to focused arena and still 0 recipe 0 fossil sigh)

Before planar i was runing only elite + arena..

ok now you know what i am talking about? i am not a merch player. i am not a plat player. my gears?

Singe only arcane pet. my mage have 82 pet. Ghost set also many set collecting. Mythic 41 guy +++ also in my stash i have 15 mil and many collect item pet para gem.
All are from farm. so dont think i do 207k kill on wt4

Ok i think now you know i am not a new player

and idk why the ppl saying mage shield op. is that op if you dont have arcane items? charged shield op, after 2 sec no more (ofc if you are a arcane, your shield will be good by hight str)

For Johny : you are right. they should a char balance... but they are not doing it so long and all i am seeing a warrior comments. so let me clear my first comment read down

-- sts should balance class or soon it will be a rogue legend game. if balance is hard, and if you going to take care of warriors because all comments about warriors. dont forget to mages. they need something to.

cleared?

by the way thank all for replys

[VenomsChaos]

Its called CLASS EFFECTIVENESS!! Each class has their roles!
So you guys want the AOE king class mage gets equally strong as rogue where it comes to killing bosses!!
nice!
Like I said, Mages never end asking for buffs!
Do you see your 600 damage rogue clearing mobs as fast as your mage in mines, tombs, hauntlets?

So here we are asking sts for letting the mage, which is best class to clear pve mobs, to be equally strong as rogue in killing single enemies?
why would people play rogues then?
This is not asking for class balance, its asking for making a class Overpowered.

Blame sts for making every cool events only centering around Bosses. Ask sts for more crowds in maps.
ask sts for more mage environments!!

Want to kill bosses fast? Go rogue.
want to be crowd controller? Go mage.


Mages do get parties aswel.
I guess you, a maxed out mage have friendship with mostly maxed out people?
take a look to the middle class people (ppl will 550-750 dmg ranges).
They will love to have a 900 damage mages in their PT. You just have to lower your standards while looking for a pt.

If theres a class which needs pve boost, is only warrior!!

Ok i think you misunderstood.

i didnt said mages should kill bosses fast as rogue. i said (atleast add something on mage skills for the make mages active on bosses)

[VenomsChaos]

I think a lot of you are saying "hard for mages" when you should be saying "hard for me"

i dont need to being op in km, i dont need to being op on wt, i dont need being op in hauntlet... its not "hard for me" up there i talked about my mage.

if a rogue stay at town with mythic bow, sure gotta find easy party (if have 100+k pve kill it will easy)

but when i start at town, only the legendary partys wery rarely asking me pt. and that partys mostly who dont know what to do in arena.

Also if you read my first topic, i said i have all other class.

if you read my first mesage, i said "i am opening this comment because there only have warrior. what about mages"

if you read my first mesage, allready i said Warriors need to. i didnt asked it only for mages (yes i have 3 class. 4 chat lvl41)

also what are you thinking about goblin events or event leader boards? full of rogue.

what are you thinking about low lvl event farm chars? all are rogue. do you remember last goblin event? rogues can kill bosses, warriors so hard slow, mages keep dieing at low lvls. everyone was quiting map on big bosses (not rogues)

offc if sts balance chars and maps, no one need buff or anything.. but we all knowing they are not doing a balance so long. thats why i said atleast a buff for the make it active.

[VenomsChaos]

Repeating

İ Hate Pure Luck Base system..

last 24 hour opened 330 chest, And no fossil. my last 650- 700 run = no recipe to.

And my fl ppl keep saying "i got only 3 recipe, i got 7 recipe in event, i got 5 recipe, i got 2 recipe" (dw buds i am not jely your loots, Gratz all of you.. wish all of you get fossit to)

Omg i Got 0 recipe. 0=Zero=Nothing

really its not about recipe prize. if you do 700 run and not geting anything and see your all efforts gone nothing, its geting boring.. Atleast if its 1-2 recipe every 300-700 run, player still gotta say "i still get something"

lol sts bring token system to elites+arena "as planar tomb" so our 700 run will worth something.

i believe there some ppl run 1000-2000 time without loot anything. and i know there someone run 10-100 time and got more loot (if just 1, is ok)

Let me clear it look at table

10-100 run = 3-5-7 recipe maybe fossil.

500-700-1000+++ run= 0 rec 0 foss