PVP Updates: Proposed Balance Changes PART 2 (7/22/2016)

[Ireliaa]

vrooms first suggestions were actually right on the spot, decreasing the survivability of other 2 class was a legit way to re-introduce rogue into pvp without making 1 shot kill aims, but without even being tested that ideas are gone

now people discussing how to make rogue into mage" give more heal " "buff razor DR" its mage what its defined here.

[Anyona]

The way I look at it is developers have these options:

1. Make Nox Poison Immune to Curse + Increase Nox Poison to 3x. That would mean it is doing roughly 550 damage per tick.
2. Increase rogue survivability via small damage buff and damage reduction buff to razor.
3. Nerf Sorcerer Damage
4. Increase Rogue Aimed Shot capabilities

Option 2 seems to be the only reasonable option as #1 basically negates the effect of a skill which only has one use, #3 is questionable as aimed already has more skill damage than light regardless of sorcerers having upwards of 200 more damage than rogues. #4 is another questionable topic as aimed already has immense power.



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[Ireliaa]

I don't think warrior needs a nerf, buddy. They don't stop the need for another class in battle. Yes, the sword is a bit OP but that's okay because in a 1v1 scenario, rogue is supposed to lose to warrior. A warrior stack can still be defeated with a smart DPS. So, that doesn't make it the biggest issue for me at least.

i meant the first suggestions from vroom he came up with it for a reason
and that smart dps you say is generally stacked mages in my experience

[Plqgue]

vrooms first suggestions were actually right on the spot, decreasing the survivability of other 2 class was a legit way to re-introduce rogue into pvp without making 1 shot kill aims, but without even being tested that ideas are gone

now people discussing how to make rogue into mage" give more heal " "buff razor DR" its mage what its defined here.

Again nerfing the other two classes and buffing rogues is not a balanced solution

[Ireliaa]

Perhaps it's just that sorcerers do way too much damage in the first place. The way I look at it is developers have these options:

1. Make Nox Poison Immune to Curse + Increase Nox Poison to 3x. That would mean it is doing roughly 550 damage per tick.
2. Increase rogue survivability via small damage buff and damage reduction buff to razor.
3. Nerf Sorcerer Damage
4. Increase Rogue Aimed Shot capabilities

thats valid sugestion, this could work, and i agree on it
but never gonna implemented because its written "nerf" and "sorcerer" on same sentence

[Ireliaa]

Again nerfing the other two classes and buffing rogues is not a balanced solution

maybe there is no room to move without doing that, have you ever considered that?

[Plqgue]

maybe there is no room to move without doing that, have you ever considered that?

Yes I have and there is plenty of room for them to implement other changed without touching the other classes

[DAmage126]

maybe there is no room to move without doing that, have you ever considered that?

And how exactly does nerfing warrs and mages gonna help out this situation at all? The reason why they are choosing not to nerf warrs and mages and instead give a buff is because rogues are always crying about things and look what happens

[Ireliaa]

And how exactly does nerfing warrs and mages gonna help out this situation at all? The reason why they are choosing not to nerf warrs and mages and instead give a buff is because rogues are always crying about things and look what happens

simple ,decreased damage gonna cause the need of nuke damage maker a rogue in clash situation if you stack warr and mages you will do less damage than before and wont be able to kill the other team without the help of damage maker as rogue

[DAmage126]

simple ,decreased damage gonna cause the need of nuke damage maker a rogue in clash situation if you stack warr and mages you will do less damage than before and wont be able to kill the other team without the help of damage maker as rogue

Yeah and then everyone will just play all rogues and not warrs or mages

[Ireliaa]

Yeah and then everyone will just play all rogues and not warrs or mages

no you cant stack rogue either, a mixed team will be superior to rogue stack team because of having a tank and valid heal from a mage not to mention the amount of cc

[Plqgue]

simple ,decreased damage gonna cause the need of nuke damage maker a rogue in clash situation if you stack warr and mages you will do less damage than before and wont be able to kill the other team without the help of damage maker as rogue

That would force people to use rogues but would force out mages and make us mana pools again

[DAmage126]

Nerfing mages and warriors will just make rogues dominant like they were for the longest time up until now

[Ireliaa]

Nerfing mages and warriors will just make rogues dominant like they were for the longest time up until now

That would force people to use rogues but would force out mages and make us mana pools again

as i said it wont make rogue dominant because a team wtihout a tank would be too squishy to survive and a team wtihout a mage would be too easyly worn off because of mana hunger of rogue an ideal team had to include a mage and a warrior at least one of each and a team with rogue should be able to beat a team without a rogue. thats what mixed team superioriy and losing with class stack means

[Zeus]

That would force people to use rogues but would force out mages and make us mana pools again

There's a lot more to sorcerer than just mana pool. However, lets lobby for class restriction since nobody can be happy. The only people that are going to complain are those who stack and abuse classes.

[mrm]

What about makeing bows more powerful then daggers? Due to daggers being a melee wep it wont proc if your not infront of the enemy hitting him and also wont do none skill related dmg with bows douge could have keept there destince and spam skill atks and that wep atk( not sure how to refure to it) with a bow giveing lot of weaker stats then daggers moste rouges would rater go with daggers just idee not sure if this will work
Another idee is new pasives each clash haveing there own based on there preforns

[Zeus]

What about makeing bows more powerful then daggers? Due to daggers being a melee wep it wont proc if your not infront of the enemy hitting him and also wont do none skill related dmg with bows douge could have keept there destince and spam skill atks and that wep atk( not sure how to refure to it) with a bow giveing lot of weaker stats then daggers moste rouges would rater go with daggers just idee not sure if this will work
Another idee is new pasives each clash haveing there own based on there preforns

They don't want to balance via weapons. That's what causes a lot of imbalance in the first place. IE: Lava Sword hiding a warrior's inherent weaknesses.

[Plqgue]

There's a lot more to sorcerer than just mana pool. However, lets lobby for class restriction since nobody can be happy. The only people that are going to complain are those who stack and abuse classes.

+1 good sir
Class restriction is literally the only viable solution.. with buffs and Nerf's well be at this for a few months because every time one class gets a buff /Nerf the other classes will start making threads demanding their class get a buff because the other classes buff is hurting their class

[Ireliaa]

class restriction never gonna happen thats what im sure of

we have a tiny pvp not like 8 vs 8 if you make class restriction 2 friend would hardly join in same room which also restricts playing experience

[mrm]

They don't want to balance via weapons. That's what causes a lot of imbalance in the first place. IE: Lava Sword hiding a warrior's inherent weaknesses.

Im not saying procs ect i mean make the bow just =dagers stats or just beter im not spesfing any wepon at long range rouges can still deal tons of dmg useing dager with skill but skills consume mana and have cd while in cd a rouge can just use normal atks while not going into the front the atk with daggers and if the wepon hase a proc it can hit on contact makeing bows beter there and the rouge can still stay behinde the pack