Pay It Forward Guild - A Side Project.

[thequickone]

Would happily take on a role, but if others want to do it then, I don't mind stepping down either

Cough** I vote Combat Specialist for Op... Eb the one and only him very self**Cough

And I would happily vote for you to take a role, Bod!

I second your vote for Eb to be Operative Combat Specialist. Do we need a third to make it official? And who smacks the gavel? Also, we're mostly Engies here, and so should easily be able to heal that sore throat of yours! *cough*

And btw, anyone notice that we are perfect candidates for an SL version of the ambassador program? I mean, look at the intros to the threads, haha! Maybe the Devs will consider some of us for the Ambassadors of Blackstar one day if we all do our best in PiF! Just a random thought.

I noticed that, too! Coincidence, or did the devs take a cue from Eb? The similarity in the threads is uncanny. "Ambassadors of Blackstar"? Hehehe, time will tell...


And a big welcome to Rodvik and Skav! I'm glad you made it in before last call. Also glad to hear there aren't any bugaboos (??) in the ranks... hehehe.

[LelouchX]

Since she's such an awesome Engie, I'd also like to toss Helpdesk's business card in the free lunch fishbowl for consideration to be Engineer Combat Specialist. Though I understand if he cannot wear two hats at once.

Besides, I wouldn't dare let Thequickone step on Cappin's or Bod's toes for consideration to be Commando Combat Specialist. Don't make me choose!!

Guess you don't mind stepping on my toes then :-( lol

Just want to make a note here for everyone else. I'm actually excited that i was able to do some runs with somebody that asked for help! I will continue to do this if anyone asks, but i want stress that PIF isn't really around for power leveling. When i was in the run, i was offering tips, asking if players had questions about skill points or attribute points, etc. This is what we are here for. If we were just around to power level, we wouldn't cap the characters at 15. Even at 15, in the pirate runs, i was by no means doing all the work. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish...... u know the rest. So, if you join a run and see any PIF toon there, please dont get mad at us for offering advice. Please don't say things like "ok shut up already" either. Last night, i left after this happened, but in the future i will ask anyone else saying such rude things while i am trying to do a good deed to leave the room once, and then i will boot you. After all, people in need of help shouldn't be denied it because others are rude. Please don't make me do this, because if i didn't want to help, i wouldn't have signed up for this.

On another note, thank you to the few i saw that offered donations last night!

Also, do we have an official ruling on taking credit donations? I haven't been, but it would be good for us all to know for sure.

EDIT: i knew i forgot something. I know typical guilds have forum websites and we have just been using this so far. Not sure if this is already in the making, but it might help us communicate better if we had a forum outside of this one. I also don't know how much work goes into this though.

[BodMaster]

And btw, anyone notice that we are perfect candidates for an SL version of the ambassador program? I mean, look at the intros to the threads, haha! Maybe the Devs will consider some of us for the Ambassadors of Blackstar one day if we all do our best in PiF! Just a random thought.

Funny enough a few of us were on chat the other day and a Dev/Mod pops on and asks if he uses the chat for an idea he had (Moderator7) for an official meeting so we were like yeah sure go ahead, so he had a chat with us (funny guy, good laugh) then said will go and make a post in announcements will be back in about an hour.. so we all stayed and as he explained it for The Ambassador Program.

So we were able to give our input on a Name, What would it entail, who would this be directed at, how would someone apply to become one, what would be given to players to show they are from the program (Vanity, Change of name colour, whole new outfit etc) and so on as he was taking notes as we were all brainstorming.. was pretty cool, he said that he needed to put a good enough case together so that he could go through it with Sam to see if this could be implemented. He also stated this was only for PL not on SL but if this was success then this would move on to SL

(Within the brainstorming session I had mentioned PiF numerous times, as most of the info he needed was already in place in this guild )

[javier995]

And btw, anyone notice that we are perfect candidates for an SL version of the ambassador program? I mean, look at the intros to the threads, haha! Maybe the Devs will consider some of us for the Ambassadors of Blackstar one day if we all do our best in PiF! Just a random thought.

Funny enough a few of us were on chat the other day and a Dev/Mod pops on and asks if he uses the chat for an idea he had (Moderator7) for an official meeting so we were like yeah sure go ahead, so he had a chat with us (funny guy, good laugh) then said will go and make a post in announcements will be back in about an hour.. so we all stayed and as he explained it for The Ambassador Program.

So we were able to give our input on a Name, What would it entail, who would this be directed at, how would someone apply to become one, what would be given to players to show they are from the program (Vanity, Change of name colour, whole new outfit etc) and so on as he was taking notes as we were all brainstorming.. was pretty cool, he said that he needed to put a good enough case together so that he could go through it with Sam to see if this could be implemented. He also stated this was only for PL not on SL but if this was success then this would move on to SL

(Within the brainstorming session I had mentioned PiF numerous times, as most of the info he needed was already in place in this guild )

Where was I when this happened?? Oh well nice one buddy!

[thequickone]

@ LelouchX: I do mind! I absolutely do not wish to step on your toes, either! I am assuming you are interested in the Engineer Combat Specialist position. If so, please consider Helpdesk's business card withdrawn. Let us know!

+1 to your observations regarding helping other players in dungeon instances. We are certainly not here to "power level" players. Unfortunately, it has not been an uncommon request! Helpdesk has had to turn down many invites to Delta 7 and explain to many players why he cannot help them level. One question, what do you do if the instance is not yours and you cannot boot an offensive player? Needless to say, booting should only be used as a last resort.

Regarding donations in the form of Credits; I think we need a consensus on the matter. I, along with a few other PIF members, have accepted them in the past. Some have even been quite generous! Ebalere's OP states "encourage members of all guilds to donate your unwanted level 15 and under good gear". No mention of Credits, but then we have been getting level 30 epics, as well...


@ BodMaster: Excellent work, sir (and those with you) in the brainstorming session with Mod7! I am glad to hear PIF was polled for input, and I am sorry I could not attend. However, that certainly does explain a lot...

[CappinClutch]

Imho PIF is only doing what guilds were originally designed to do but with som many swollen heads and elitism, a lot has seemed to be lost in translation, and as far as an "Ambassador Program" that's exactly what PIF is. And I really don't care who gets the specialist positions in the guild, I just go with the flow and didn't join for a special spot or a title just to help new players and that's it...I have numerous successful Comm builds based on the type of run you're currnetly in...if anyone wants info...just ask.

[MimeRifle]

There may be redundancy, but to a real noob - who really would like some helpful interaction - could there really be "too much" help? I hear you Clutch about the guild elitism. That is unfortunate, but inevitable. I did want to say though that I ran into knowledgebase in game last night, and was happy to see the PIF mission being carried out just as it was chartered. I think it was a very nice idea. Kudos to you! (thanked!)

[Defyduck]

Good Job guys............Help new comers to keep them interested in the game and train well

[CanonicalKoi]

Built a baby Op today--Guidance. I'd be honored if you'd let me join in, Eb. I can change the char to a different type if needed.

[LelouchX]

@ helpdesk, i really like to kid a lot, so don't apologize! with so many engis in this group (i believe it was 10 by my count last night) i see no reason y there cant be 2-3 combat specialists for this class, who have different perspectives/preferences when it comes to skill point allocation. you can all see what I think about the skills in my build (check sig). i also think it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT that we stress engis should spam heal, or at least near spam heal, since i still occasionally find myself in pugs in sloucho where engis never heal.
after getting really offended when i was told to shut up already, i've decided that if i decide to just randomly join a run, i'll be starting it and waiting for others to join in. i really don't want to boot anyone, but i have had people say "thanks, didn't know that" or "thats a good idea" after just saying one of my random tips in a run. So things that are common knowledge to some of us experience players (elite chests, not rushing into mobs when ur squishy) aren't common to everyone. i don't want people that ask for help and are appreciative to be punished for the actions of the ignorant. Before i left that group i mentioned, i gave the one person who asked for my help a couple items. He didn't ask for the items when he asked for help, but was appreciative. Needless to say, the person who told me to shut up got a lifetime supply of nothing from me. So, anyone who has donated items or is thinking about donating, rest assured, they are going to people deserving of it!

Little side note, last night someone just decided to have a random conversation me at 2:30am when i was on as support. he sent me a pm "how are you doing" and we wound up chatting for about 20 min, even while i was moving to different B* rooms looking for people to help (doesn't seem to be many of them on at 2:30am, btw). he didn't want or need any help, but it was nice to see there are so many considerate people out there.

Here was another pm i got:
Anonymous: Thank you
Eyesupport: What for?
Anonymous: for being you

No, thank you anonymous, this made my night!

[Ebalere]

Canon, for sure, we need a few more Ops anyway. I'll add your character. And as far as specialists go, There can be more than one I just wanna know who knows what basically, and where we can send lowbies to get good build suggestions for whatever class they are. For me, I'm an Op 85% of the time, so thats my specialty. But there are alot of awesome players in this guild, and I love the idea of the guildchat being a wealth of information, and different builds and good solid conversation.

On a side note, when pvp is out, we will have a perfect twink guild for when we're bored! And do testing in pvp as well, since the dynamics won't be the same as PvE. I'm excited for this. Maybe we can branch out and support PvP builds and tactics and encourage a respectful and clean fight amongst players. Anyone interested in that endeavour?

[Kahlua]

I'd be interested in pvp build stuff I've been working on 2 different operative twinks, so that's really where I'd shine.

[CanonicalKoi]

Sure! PvP would be interesting to figure out. And Eb, I'm with you--Op is where I spend most of my time, so it's what I know more about.

[BodMaster]

Another great idea Eb! Always wanted to go through the PvP side of things.. have read up about it quite alot.. and mostly just collecting PvP gear for when its released.. heard they are trying to change PvP from PL to something with 2 builds.. PvE Build and PvP Build that was breifly discussed at the BBQ.

On aonther note I still back up the Specialist idea, I dont see an elitist side to this.. I'm seeing helping out people with all sorts of build and how to use the skills effectively.. pretty much what Eb has said and we have all discussed in previous conversations

And Welcome Canon! You will be a great addition to the team, always out in B* helping people out

[Drues]

Hey! I'm an OP that's another one for ya!

[Rodvik]

I chose to play an engineer because I feel its the easiest role to play in the sense of support and teaching. I obviously only have 1 character which is my Op so as far as knowledge its mostly based around the Op class but I did start out as an engineer 1 -> 26 before i deleted and made my op my main. So I'm pretty knowledgable for both classes.

Im willing to take on whatever role is needed. Dispite being busy with guild related things like forum management..lol and trying to get the community involved on the forums more.

So let me know what's needed =D of me.

[Zraorizer]

Hey my toon is Thehelper. By the way I have an idea for example if you were and operative you would show them operative combo's, and great operative advice, and show the operatives how the skills work. We could make a difference to the game we can donate stuff and help them we want them to know what we know and that's what they want if you like this idea post or push on say thank for the information oh and please think of ideas that can me a difference thank you

[starsavior]

Lol The next time your recruiting I will build up any class for the job.

[LelouchX]

I'm best with the engi, i know enough about op and com to offer general advice about skill, but i wouldn't call myself a specialist by any means.

Think PvPing with these guys would be a great idea! I got a twink in waiting, so I will practice with Eyesupport so I can keep my deaths down on my other twink, lol Sorry to throw you you under bus like that Eyesupport....

[Kateatankan]

Hey eb ill make a char to configure to the guild ill catch u in game soon