The Arcane Ring to Rule Them All Contest | Discussion Thread

[basketholic209]

i agree that the original rules really should apply.

The problem is that some people have now read Remiem's change and there will be more yelling if she pulls back her change, as those people relied upon her rule change. Not that devs/mods are unfamiliar with an angry playerbase.

I only proposed the extra ring because it seemed one method to abide by the original rules (people who submitted 20 posts get chance at a ring and only those people, and it is the same chance promised by the original rules), as well as Remiem's modification (people who posted at least 19 days will get a chance at a ring, thus not negatively affecting the chances of those posting all 20 days).

I addressed Remiem's promise that those with 19 days of postings, as long as they posted on Day 20, would get a chance at an arcane ring, as well as the original promise that those posting all 20 days would get a chance at an arcane ring.

In my experience, people complain less, if at all, about additional prizes, especially when the change increases their chances at a prize, versus decreasing it, as Remiem's modification did, however slight, for those who went to the extra effort of posting all 20 screenshots.

I'm just wondering whether anybody has ever read the probability things that I've posted before. But an additional ring prize will only increase the 20-day-group's chance to around DOUBLE (using the theoretical numbers that Elmanco counted) compared to original rule.

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[Thrindal]

People that did 19 days still put in hard work.

Not hard enough... Its still incomplete.

[Madxnoob]

I got all 20 day's! So I hope I win :-) GooDLuck to All

[Uicheusa]

We all had some fun during this 20-day-long event, for that I will say "WE ARE ALL WINNERS!"

[SuMpAnThA]

We all had some fun during this 20-day-long event, for that I will say "WE ARE ALL WINNERS!"

......riigggght (dr. Evil voice)

[Anarchial]

Wow you are all seriously over reacting, yes you went to the effort to complete a 20 day competition everyday, and correctly, so did I, but id like to point out this isnt the Olympics, its a competition, on a game, the idea is that people who cannot afford the arcane ring have a shot at getting one, through a fun competition, to be honest its selfish to have a grudge over this new rule change, I think its a great**idea, means more people have a shot at getting a very hard item to get, i wish everyone the best of luck, just remember this is supposed to be a fun competition, not something to be angry or upset about.

Tbh I think you are the one being selfish. Its evident that you know someone who fall someone in the 19 day group. If sts includes 19 days then why not 18 or 17, they even tried hard and had FUN. Arent you being SELFISH?

And moreover shards were present for those who couldnt post 20 days..and shard is good as a ring. Why now change it and include the ring as prize for them too?

Either dont change rules or if you change rules make it win win for everyone.

[Jackfruit]

inconsistency of rules..
disappointed..

[thortillos]

I am disappointed... too.. the rule was simple and should have kept it that way. Complete all Day 1 to Day 20 screenshot.

[jb57542]

I agree that the people who did all 20 days should be thusly rewarded. I managed to complete all 20 days which was not easy as I almost messed one up and posted a new screen shot with 5 minutes to spare to correct my mistake. I also had to take some time to convene my guildies for the 6 title shot as most already had it (lucky for me I have good guildies in Emminence).

Now the odds for the ones who did everything correct will decrese at the last moment is just dis-hearting. You know others will check themselves to confirm the winner is really the winner and if it's a 19 day person you will get some ppl raging.

[Xpolosion]

Lmaooo

[Xpolosion]

People cry no matter what but! Heres the but please fix singey

[Kellhus]

Wow you are all seriously over reacting, yes you went to the effort to complete a 20 day competition everyday, and correctly, so did I, but id like to point out this isnt the Olympics, its a competition, on a game, the idea is that people who cannot afford the arcane ring have a shot at getting one, through a fun competition, to be honest its selfish to have a grudge over this new rule change, I think its a great**idea, means more people have a shot at getting a very hard item to get, i wish everyone the best of luck, just remember this is supposed to be a fun competition, not something to be angry or upset about.

You just said it... It's a very hard to get item. This is why some people adhered to rules so why is it ok to take that away? If it wasn't a sought after item then it wouldn't be hard to get. Point is everyone knew what they were in for when they started the comp. Now, thanks to whomever decided it was good idea to change this, it is no longer a competition but a Publisher Clearing House Give away. People need to understand what a competition is meant to be. Below says it all. How many times Delphi reply about rules and missing days. Also shows for those complaining a pic didn't show up just how easy it is to solve that problem when it occurred.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/uju5emu5.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/hu6utyry.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/qu2epete.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/14/2eteta3e.jpg
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[ralst]

Hie. Juz wanna say this..
on the contest. Not sure what day. You need screenshot with warmonger, dimensional gladiator, filthy rich, haunted, elite and paragon.
Me and my guild. We dont have that much awesome title.. for that day I have a rough day. And I work hard to find player have that title. And even beg for screenshot with them, well u know there a player busy with thier own thing or maybe quest, so its really hard to get this screesnshot.
But I work hard for whole day to find player. Not 1 or 2. But 5.. 5 random people I dont know, its very rough day for me.
At last I found good player that willing to share that title with me. I wanna thank them so much..
AND now.. you said thats people who skipped one day have a chance to win arcane ring too..
Seriously its not fair.. and its sad too. If I know this happen I will skipped that rough day..
But coz of the rules. "That only 20post can win ring" I keep trying and trying. Hope sts would understand this.

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I agree with this. I had to bust my *** for 6 hours sacrificing sleep for this screenshot just coz they said we have to post all 20days. I mean.. I get that people who missed coz of some real hard reasons will be feeling dejected. I almost felt that on the day of title screenshot. And now changing the rules this way.. Makes it unfair for those of us who did try and make it somehow. I am against allowing this change.

If there were two rings, one for the people who made all 20 days and another for those who couldn't make all 20 or missed one day, it wouldn't really matter. But the same ring for people who missed a day AND made all 20 days? That's unfair. :(

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[TheMightyFeusalet]

when will we know the winners? :o

[Bluevaporz]

I know there is a lot of talk about the "new rule" change.

However, on a less related topic does anyone know what "Take a Screenshot Next to a Dragkin Tooth with NO GEAR ON!" meant?

I see more than a handful of pictures with people wearing vanities, mythic rings, lep amulets. Was gear every clarified to mean just no armor and helm?

[Kellhus]

Shh dont mention we need to get rid of some 19 dayers lol jkjk ofc!


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[yanatotzkiie]

if i had known the new rule, i just enter the contest on day 20 lol

[Kellhus]

Y its only for ppl who missed one day not 19..silly

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[Silverpegasus]

The thing is... It has been stressed before in many posts that only those who completed 20 SS is eligible for arcane ring. And those who missed it is only eligible for teeth shards. Anyway, teeth shards arent that shabby either, you could still craft it to an arcane ring eventually. You have no idea how glad I was that the contest is over. Setting up my alarm clock to do it daily, making checkboxes and reminders so that I didnt accidentally forget a day of posting, running around finding wifi when I'm outside or just trying to find a good connection. I cant even have a good night sleep with those SS until it was done and posted, it was nightmare. And... You tell me later that it is OK to miss one SS! Just probably one player who missed one day emailed the dev and demanded he/she has the same chance and get special treatment because... I dont know... Too special for rules o.O

[basketholic209]

if i had known the new rule, i just enter the contest on day 20 lol

First of all, with the new rule, you can't just enter on day 20. You must have entered at least on 18 days and also enter on day 20.

Second, even if the new rule allow you to just enter on day 20, do you even know that your chance is just 1/20 compared to others? The random number drawing is based on posts, not contestants.

Anyway, whatever the rule will be, I think someone from STG should come up with a solution soon.

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[Instanthumor]

Second, even if the new rule allow you to just enter on day 20, do you even know that your chance is just 1/20 compared to others? The random number drawing is based on posts, not contestants.


More like 1/99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

[iamalmien24]

God bless to all contestants. :)

[iamalmien24]

When will be the announcement of winners? I'm excited. :)

[eugene9707]

about people complaining about the "make up for one miss day" my take is this:

- you change of winning isn't changed by a significant amount
- you still have a slightly higher chance of winning ring, you have 20 entries and they have 19
- its more likely that someone who post 20 will win

lets say there are 455 ppl who enter all 20 days and 34 people with 19 days (with the 20th day): (i counted .-. well ..... the one without the day 20 include but its an estimate.....)

without including the people who has only 19 days:
people who post 20, the chance is 1/455 (0.219%)

Including the people who has only 19 days:
the people who post all 20 days have 20/9746 (0.205%)
and the people who post 19 days have 19/9746 (0.195%)


either way, your chance of winning is less than 2 grim banish in a row (0.25%) :P

and since there are 455 people with 20 and 33 people with 19, there are 93.37% chance that the winner is someone with 20 post ...

not really worth the whine :P

[utpal]

maybe there are like 40-50 people tht posted 20days successfully. to increase the number they did tht with the easiest ss at last day lol. to ss with a teeth when there is 2x teeth drop still going on. so not hard to find.i got 6 teeth doing 13runs.

[Instanthumor]

about people complaining about the "make up for one miss day" my take is this:

- you change of winning isn't changed by a significant amount
- you still have a slightly higher chance of winning ring, you have 20 entries and they have 19
- its more likely that someone who post 20 will win

lets say there are 455 ppl who enter all 20 days and 34 people with 19 days (with the 20th day): (i counted .-. well ..... the one without the day 20 include but its an estimate.....)

without including the people who has only 19 days:
people who post 20, the chance is 1/455 (0.219%)

Including the people who has only 19 days:
the people who post all 20 days have 20/9746 (0.205%)
and the people who post 19 days have 19/9746 (0.195%)


either way, your chance of winning is less than 2 grim banish in a row (0.25%) :P

and since there are 455 people with 20 and 33 people with 19, there are 93.37% chance that the winner is someone with 20 post ...

not really worth the whine :P

I think you did your math (numbers) wrong.

[borix]

Ok I only entered about 16 days or so - so it does not really concern me. However changing the rules of a contest on the last day is just uncool. You set your rules at the start and then you do the contest. If you start changing things for whatever reason you can expect complaints.

[Anarchist]

Bah. :B

[Anarchial]

People cry no matter what but! Heres the but please fix singey

I dont think thats gonna happen xD

[Sephiroth143]

idk man... No comment at tis point. Well, as long as there ar more prizes on tis (as in alot more prizes), im ok wit it. Lets see how it goes^^

[Socrates]

why the 20 day's thread isn't closed yet?

[elmanco]

Sam banished mods i guess

[Haligali]

People whine about that they cant edit/missed/not showing one day entry.

People now whine about that last day is unfair.

I whine about their whine.

Everyone whine.

Good luck & have fun. :)

[OwnedSkillz]

Wtf what if someone didnt post ANY post at all and they do this??So ur tellin me they get to have a chance?

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[Sephiroth143]

Well yea everyone whines abt somethin tats unsatisfactory/painful exps. Its normal coz we ar humans. Even animals whine. If you dont whine abt it, no one knows wats on ur mind/physical attention tat happens to u doesnt it? Might as well be a dead soul/loner so no one cares abt your well-being =.=

[Sephiroth143]

Wtf what if someone didnt post ANY post at all and they do this??So ur tellin me they get to have a chance?

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No bro, its for those who does 18 days screenshots but miss out 1 of dem (total: 19ss include last day ss)
The rest who doesnt participate or less den 18 days ss but end up doin the last day ss wont b eligible for winnin the chance of arcane ring but instead eligible for shards n teeths

[OwnedSkillz]

No bro, its for those who does 18 days screenshots but miss out 1 of dem (total: 19ss include last day ss)
The rest who doesnt participate or less den 18 days ss but end up doin the last day ss wont b eligible for winnin the chance of arcane ring but instead eligible for shards n teeths

Thanks for correcting me :)

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[lethaljade]

Tbh I think you are the one being selfish. Its evident that you know someone who fall someone in the 19 day group. If sts includes 19 days then why not 18 or 17, they even tried hard and had FUN. Arent you being SELFISH?

And moreover shards were present for those who couldnt post 20 days..and shard is good as a ring. Why now change it and include the ring as prize for them too?

Either dont change rules or if you change rules make it win win for everyone.


I dont know anyone who falls in anything, thank you very much, your all overacting over a little competition. Supposed to be fun, , but you all took the fun out of it, its people acting like this that ruins the game and fun aspects of it . Like I said I wish you all the best of luck, but to be honest this has ruined the whole point of the competition for me , its supposed to be fun not a reason to argue or to be rude or disrespectful to other people for.

[Rare]

I dont know anyone who falls in anything, thank you very much, your all overacting over a little competition. Supposed to be fun, , but you all took the fun out of it, its people acting like this that ruins the game and fun aspects of it . Like I said I wish you all the best of luck, but to be honest this has ruined the whole point of the competition for me , its supposed to be fun not a reason to argue or to be rude or disrespectful to other people for.

Well I'll just say this. It's no longer a competition if the rules change at the end effecting determination of " winners"

You're only looking at fun from your perspective. And as I mentioned, people that didn't do all 20 days still had a chance at shard or teeth. So there is still "fun" for them. The ring was supposed to be for those that were dedicated and completed all 20 days.

Alas, another change in direction. We should all be use to it by now. It's happened before and it will happen again. And still, people will voice their displeasure.

Tbh, just turning the other cheek is a little irresponsible. I say that with utmost respect to you and others that feel it's ok. It sets a bad example in my opinion. Just like some other things we've seen in the recent past.

In the end, it's not that important in the grand scheme of thing like you say. But I feel it's very important to uphold the rules of contests and competitions.

[lethaljade]

Well I'll just say this. It's no longer a competition if the rules change at the end effecting determination of " winners"


You're only looking at fun from your perspective. And as I mentioned, people that didn't do all 20 days still had a chance at shard or teeth. So there is still "fun" for them. The ring was supposed to be for those that were dedicated and completed all 20 days.

Alas, another change in direction. We should all be use to it by now. It's happened before and it will happen again. And still, people will voice their displeasure.

Tbh, just turning the other cheek is a little irresponsible. I say that with utmost respect to you and others that feel it's ok. It sets a bad example in my opinion. Just like some other things we've seen in the recent past.

In the end, it's not that important in the grand scheme of thing like you say. But I feel it's very important to uphold the rules of contests and competitions.

I dont have an issue with people expressing their opinion I respect that, as people should equally respect mine, and I understand your frustration, but in my opinion this just takes the fun out of the competition, all the uneeded aggression, being portrayed by several people, is so unnecessary , were lucky a competition was even thrown in the first place, but as I said the last thing im trying to do is disrespect or disregard your opinion, im just trying to share mine, which in the future, I think ill withdraw from doing.

[Rare]

I dont have an issue with people expressing their opinion I respect that, as people should equally respect mine, and I understand your frustration, but in my opinion this just takes the fun out of the competition, all the uneeded aggression, being portrayed by several people, is so unnecessary , were lucky a competition was even thrown in the first place, but as I said the last thing ik trying to do is disrespect or disregard your opinion, im just trying to share mine, which in the future, I think ill withdraw from doing.

You shouldn't do that :)

Its healthy I think to have opinions from both sides. In any case, I did some calculation:

Here are my assumptions:

1. Only people with 19 or more posts (including day 20) will qualify for the ring. Basically, it will only make you eligible if you missed only ONE day.
2. All the people that posted 18 times in the master thread (has not merged in day 20 yet) have completed day 20.

According to the master thread there are 507 players that will be eligible for the ring drawing.

50 with 18 entries
457 with 19 entries

Based on these assumptions that would give us for the master drawing:

(50*19) + (457*20) = 10090

if you posted 20 times:
20/10090 = 1/545 = 0.198%

If you posted 19 times:

19/10090 = 0.188%

[moises.vazquez.71]

It was a fun contest and the prizes were great. Good one sts.

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[Ottikas]

Cool XD

[keikali]

Bah...humbug

[Anarchial]

I dont have an issue with people expressing their opinion I respect that, as people should equally respect mine, and I understand your frustration, but in my opinion this just takes the fun out of the competition, all the uneeded aggression, being portrayed by several people, is so unnecessary , were lucky a competition was even thrown in the first place, but as I said the last thing im trying to do is disrespect or disregard your opinion, im just trying to share mine, which in the future, I think ill withdraw from doing.


I agree with you that this contest was for fun. But the fun part was cancelled out when sts changed rules at the last day. Dont blame players for not having fun anymore cause STS after giving fun to us for 19 days decided to take it away on the 20th day. And if you thought I was disrespectful to you please accept my sincere apologies. I am not trying to disrespect any player but expressing my concern on this unfair change which by all means should be reverted back.

[Anarchial]

Well I'll just say this. It's no longer a competition if the rules change at the end effecting determination of " winners"

You're only looking at fun from your perspective. And as I mentioned, people that didn't do all 20 days still had a chance at shard or teeth. So there is still "fun" for them. The ring was supposed to be for those that were dedicated and completed all 20 days.

Alas, another change in direction. We should all be use to it by now. It's happened before and it will happen again. And still, people will voice their displeasure.

Tbh, just turning the other cheek is a little irresponsible. I say that with utmost respect to you and others that feel it's ok. It sets a bad example in my opinion. Just like some other things we've seen in the recent past.

In the end, it's not that important in the grand scheme of thing like you say. But I feel it's very important to uphold the rules of contests and competitions.


Since I am out of the option to give you any more reputation for another 24 hrs, accept this +1

[Samdegreat]

They always change there minds especially on amount of winners, like the jester they said 40 winners and at the end said they thought more were need due to size of thread and gave out 48 sets ...

[lethaljade]

You shouldn't do that :)

Its healthy I think to have opinions from both sides. In any case, I did some calculation:

Here are my assumptions:

1. Only people with 19 or more posts (including day 20) will qualify for the ring. Basically, it will only make you eligible if you missed only ONE day.
2. All the people that posted 18 times in the master thread (has not merged in day 20 yet) have completed day 20.

According to the master thread there are 507 players that will be eligible for the ring drawing.

50 with 18 entries
457 with 19 entries

Based on these assumptions that would give us for the master drawing:

(50*19) + (457*20) = 10090

if you posted 20 times:
20/10090 = 1/545 = 0.198%

If you posted 19 times:

19/10090 = 0.188%
Oh gosh thats all very complicated for my poor head lol :), yeah the odds are very small I kinder figured we all have the same probability as if we was to open a locked crate haha, but I wish everyone thevbest of luck.

[LordDravek]

Day 21... people still posting on day 20 with screenshots. Lolz.

[AdventZ]

Sure, i dont care who will win :)
Just for fun! Too much ppl follow the contest. We dont know who will be selected :)

[Xhenena]

They always change there minds especially on amount of winners, like the jester they said 40 winners and at the end said they thought more were need due to size of thread and gave out 48 sets ...

You think maybe they will add more prizes? Keep the ring at 1 only but would be nice to have 5 shards then. Gives even those that did 20 days more odds at getting at least a shard.

[katish]

As if it weren't bad enough that sts changes their own rules in the course of the contest , but they utterly ignore to give feedback to the community. Hang outs, support, Facebook are all nice but the times we need their presence the most is when they ignore us the most. Yes we would still be upset with the rule change but at least we wouldn't feel ignored and taken for granted. A reasoning behind the change of heart would go a long way with me, anyway.

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[GuardianTwo]

When will be winners announced? So much curiosity :P
Is there any date/time announced for it?

[Fyrce]

Supposed to be fun,

Yes, it is supposed to be fun. The game is supposed to be fun. I agree: Let's all not do these silly competitions since they take the fun out of our lives.


but you all took the fun out of it, its people acting like this that ruins the game and fun aspects of it

Yep, ruins the fun when GM (gamemaster) unnecessarily changes the rules. No one wants to play a game and at the last second, be told, "Hey, new rules on the basketball game!" Good way to create controversy and frustration, complaining and whining. (BTW, for GMs that do not like controversy and complaining: "Don't do change rules at the last minute!" Also, people who like to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, well, warn us before you start a game.)

Message received: Rules can be arbitrarily changed. Participate at own risk. Good lesson.


all the uneeded aggression, being portrayed by several people, is so unnecessary

Yep, so unnecessary. People respond predictably. You don't like it, don't aggravate them intentionally. You jump into a pride of lions with a piece of meat, what do you expect? Now, talk down their aggression...

Back to the main discussion:
It's possible this change was predictable. 20 days is a long time to run an event that requires a GM's participation each day for probably an hour or more each day, including weekends. I suppose maybe had there been a tag-team set up.

[DocDoBig]

Still hoping day 20 was an Arpil fool, but I guess I'ma quote myself here, just for the lulz:


The real pros do their April Fools when no one excepts them.

I do mine in November.

[meltedice]

goodluck guys

[Rosna]

Anyone know when winners will be posted?

[Remiem]

Hey guys. I am seeing your comments on this. Some are okay with it, and some are not. I understand both sides.

This challenge was a hard one for sure, and entering 20 days was a serious feat, but entering 19 was a serious feat as well! Even me--as a moderator, have run into situations where I work really hard to do something every day and miss one because of life circumstances. I've had people miss a day because of working overtime, because they were sick or in surgery. Things that are just plain out of their control. This doesn't mean that they worked any less hard on the other 19 days.

I am not opening the Ring prize back up to everyone, just those few who clearly worked very very hard to earn it and for some reason couldn't make it that one day. But, like some of you mentioned there is definitely a large difference in the number of people who did all 20, and the number of people who had 19. This changes the odds quite a bit. So...here's what we're going to do.

There will be TWO ring prizes for this contest. The first ring will be awarded to someone in the pool of users who genuinely completed every single day of the contest. Then, the people who completed 19 days will be added into the pool and another ring will be awarded there. Then, Dragkin Teeth and Shards will be awarded as stated. :)

I believe this is the fairest way to handle things, and reward the people who stuck with us for such a long contest and worked so darn hard to get all of those entries in on time every day.

Thank you everyone for participating! I'll be posting winners later this week.