Change to Pocket Legends Elite Vanity Item Set Bonuses – Introducing Legendary Rings

[Samhayne]

For those of you who read the thread What do the items in this picture have in common? (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?71428-What-do-the-items-in-this-picture-have-in-common) and guessed, "elite level cap items" you are correct!

If the below wall of text is a bit intimidating, jump to the end of the post for the quick recap. If you love the details, read on!

Background:
In the days of yore, when Balefort Sewers was the level cap, the concept of an "elite" level was introduced. This elite level was 10x the experience cost of the last level and it rewarded players with bragging rights (oh, and there was much bragging!) and the very awesome Crown of Persistence vanity helm.


Level 56 - The Crown of Persistence
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When the Nuri's Circus expansion went live, we continued the tradition with a new "elite" level of 61 with a vanity reward: the Shield of Hallows. To make the elite level cap vanity items more desirable, we added a unique set bonus. Those who wore the Crown of Persistence and also wore the Shield of Hallows had a set bonus that would stack on top of the set bonus for wearing the top end armor, helm and weapon.


Level 61 - Nuri's Shield of Hallows
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This was indeed very compelling for players to acquire; however, not everything in the land of Alterra was perfect. There were problems, including:


There was no way to go back and acquire the Crown of Persistence. That elite level was long gone. This penalized new players.

Everyone started to look the same, as everyone was wearing their elite level cap vanities. There are thousands of awesome looking items in Pocket Legends and it was a shame that more didn't sport unique looks.



Level 66 - Mount Fang Armor
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Elite Level Cap Rewards Evolved
For a while now we have wanted to change how the elite level cap works and find a different, but equally compelling, reward for players achieving the elite level.

In the Humania expansion, we refrained from adding a set bonus to the Monarch Helm vanity reward for making level 71. Instead, we chose to add unique content with end game items that could only be entered if you were at the elite level cap. This change seemed to be pretty well received.


Level 71 - The Monarch Helm of Humania
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Yet, the problems persist.

Two Legendary Rings to Rule Them All!
To address the above two problems, we are making a shift. Instead of having stats tied to vanities (which sort of defeats the point of vanities) we're implementing a system whereby players can obtain an uber, epic legendary ring!

With the Blacksmoke Mountain Expansion, when you equip any two or any three Elite Level Cap Vanity Rewards, you will automatically receive a quest to visit the Fallen Prince who will bestow a very precious ring!


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2 Elite Vanity Ring Reward
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3 Elite Vanity Ring Reward
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The stats for the rings are a nice bump up over what you might have obtained by having the previous 2 or 3 piece elite vanity set bonus and any previously available rings.


A New Shield for Level 76
The Elite Vanity Reward for achieving level 76 in Blacksmoke Mountain will be the Vanity Shield: Eye of Eternity. You can match this shield up with any of the previous helm elite vanity rewards and/or the Mount Fang Armor to obtain the 2 set ring or 3 set ring.


Level 76 - Eye of Eternity
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Too Long, Didn't Read
Here is a quick list of bullets that recap the above:

Set bonuses from Elite Level Cap Vanity Rewards are going away.

They are replaced by Legendary Rings

To get the quest for your Legendary Ring, equip any of the Elite Level Cap Vanity Rewards just like you were going to get your set bonus (helm, armor, shield) and you'll automagically get a quest for the appropriate ring.

If you don't have an elite level cap vanity shield, make it to level 76 in Blacksmoke Mountain and you'll get the Eye of Eternity. This vanity shield can be used with prior elite level cap vanity helm and armor to get the 2 or 3 piece ring.

The Elite Vanity Rings are not stashable or tradeable.

[Suentous PO]

Awesome, can't wait to see what this new quest consists of!

[Samhayne]

Awesome, can't wait to see what this new quest consists of!

The quest is pretty straightforward. Equip your stuff, go see the Fallen Prince and get your ring. Getting multiple Elite Level Caps is enough of a quest without taking on "Go bring me x,y & z and I'll craft you a ring of epic proprotions!"

:D

[Mastervoodoo]

sounds pretty sweet , my first ever elite vanity was the humania cap , this next cap will finally get me my second piece of the elite sets woot woot . but i have been playing 3 years , i have just recently decided to strive for an elite cap and got it fairly quickly over the summer , but awesome update , the ring idea sounds very good

[FluffNStuff]

So if I currently only have the monarch helm, then I can get the new shield, and still get the first ring, is this correct?

[Brave Sir Robin]

I am VERY happy with this :)

Thanks a lot.

[Bless]

What if you only have the monarch helm (cuz I was stupid not to cap at sewers/Nuris/mf)? Do I have to cap 76, get the shield and monarch helm and then will I be able to get ring quest!

[Nihiliste]

So all we have to do is equip our Elite Vanities, go to the Fallen Prince and collect your Elite Ring?

[Jugernugetx]

:O

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[Noodleleg]

Big phat question... Sparkles :)?!

[Samhayne]

So if I currently only have the monarch helm, then I can get the new shield, and still get the first ring, is this correct?

Yes, that is correct.

[Patricks]

Will we still get sparkle effects for equipping cop soh and mfa together? Will monarch helm equipped with older elite vanities create sparkle effects now? Wil. The new rings give sparkles? How many times can i say sparkle in one post?

[FluffNStuff]

Yes, that is correct.

Thanks! Looks like I am gonna be on a tear for 76!

[Walkhardd]

Sigh..should of got the helm afterall. Lmao.

Well, at least I have the 86 cap to look forward to!

Sarcasm aside, I think its a good idea. I just wish I didn't find out 1 day before the new cap....... -___-

[Covert]

do you still get to keep the spahkles from old elite vanites?
bam ninjad. lol

[Jugernugetx]

We should be able to :) i hope

[Samhayne]

Big phat question... Sparkles :)?!

Yes, there are sparkles associated with equipping either of the Legendary Rings.

Ring of Valiance - blue sparkles
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Ring of Valiant Glory - multi colored sparkles (they change from white to red to green)
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[FluffNStuff]

Sigh..should of got the helm afterall. Lmao.

Well, at least I have the 86 cap to look forward to!

Sarcasm aside, I think its a good idea. I just wish I found out 1 day before the new cap.

Bah, plenty of time, it can't be up till at least 9 am Central, so you got yourself 20 Hours! Gotta want it man!!!

[Suentous PO]

The quest is pretty straightforward. Equip your stuff, go see the Fallen Prince and get your ring. Getting multiple Elite Level Caps is enough of a quest without taking on "Go bring me x,y & z and I'll craft you a ring of epic proprotions!"

:D lol, good man!

[Patricks]

Big phat question... Sparkles :)?!

Yes, there are sparkles associated with equipping either of the Legendary Rings.

Ring of Valiance - blue sparkles
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Ring of Valiant Glory - multi colored sparkles (they change from white to red to green)
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Cool. Now i can have sparkles because of multiple elite caps AND dragon set at the same time!

[Snakespeare]

Will bonuses from Founder's Helm and PL Shield go away, too?

[Samhayne]

Cool. Now i can have sparkles because of multiple elite caps AND dragon set at the same time!

Whoa, sparklemania!

[Bless]

Big phat question... Sparkles :)?!

Yes, there are sparkles associated with equipping either of the Legendary Rings.

Ring of Valiance - blue sparkles
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Ring of Valiant Glory - multi colored sparkles (they change from white to red to green)
18290 I think PL really does have the sl design team :) can't wait for 81 cap! Sooo sexy

[Lowlyspy]

Yes, i LOVE THIS! (I literally just jumped in my kitchen and yelled yes like 4 times lol) This is the perfect way to go, so much progress is being made, keep being awesome you guys.

[Samhayne]

Will bonuses from Founder's Helm and PL Shield go away, too?

No change to those items.

[Gaunab]

Awesome! I hope the lvl requirement on the rings are being changed before the release tho. ;)

[CrimsonTider]

Good stuff

[FluffNStuff]

Awesome! I hope the lvl requirement on the rings are being changed before the release tho. ;)

Can't stash or sell, so level requirements make no difference.

[Walkhardd]

Again at the reading comprehension.... uggh

Guys, we currently have 4 Elite Vanities. Simply equip 2 or 3 of them to get the corresponding ring. If you only happen to have one, get to 76, equip the new shield with your current vanity: BOOM, you get a ring.

Thanks Sam for the detailed post. This should be a sufficient answer to previous issues.

Can I equip 2 shields?;)

[Gaunab]

Can't stash or sell, so level requirements make no difference.

derp :disillusionment:

[StompArtist]

Can I equip 2 shields?;)

Not if you have a bow equipped.

[Roc]

I'm so glad I decided to go for the 71 cap! :surprise: Eye of Sauron shield here I come~

[Jsaieagle]

I am wondering if I can keep the L71 helmet and L76 shield until next lvl cap?
Would I be able to get another stat bonus with the L81 armor?

[Dark Avenger]

Thank you guys very much for finally addressing this issue. Im looking forward to getting the rings. And that shield. The shield looks awesome btw

[Patricks]

Maybe in the future there can be even more epic rings for having 4 or 5 elite cap vanities. The rings are a good idea.

[Lowlyspy]

I am wondering if I can keep the L71 helmet and L76 shield until next lvl cap?
Would I be able to get another stat bonus with the L81 armor?
Elite vanities will not have any stats anymore. The elite stats and sparkles will come from the elite rings.

[FluffNStuff]

This won't affect me, but I want to ask this to clear it up for others. If you have two now, can you get the "two vanity" ring, then come back and get the "three vanity" ring after you reach 76 and get the new shield?

[BoomBox]

I have mfa on one char and monarch on another:/ was gone during previous caps:( s

[Dalinuel]

So would we be able to stack the elite rings on top of plat rings that we are already wearing

[Techno Email]

So if I currently only have the monarch helm, then I can get the new shield, and still get the first ring, is this correct?

YES! :)

[Techno Email]

What if you only have the monarch helm (cuz I was stupid not to cap at sewers/Nuris/mf)? Do I have to cap 76, get the shield and monarch helm and then will I be able to get ring quest!

YES!

[Techno Email]

So all we have we have to do is equip our Elite Vanities, go to the Fallen Prince and collect your Elite Ring?

YES!

[Nihiliste]

Okay.

[Techno Email]

I am wondering if I can keep the L71 helmet and L76 shield until next lvl cap?
Would I be able to get another stat bonus with the L81 armor?

YES!

[25thninja]

So what if i already have two so i get the ring then i get three elite (shield) can i get the other ring too

[Aeroflame]

YES!

WHAT???

I might join, just to see what all the fuss is about...

[Walkhardd]

Dumb question, but does armor+61 shield+76 shield get u the 3 piece ring?

In other words can I get the 3piece ring without either helm?

[Techno Email]

So what if i already have two so i get the ring then i get three elite (shield) can i get the other ring too

Yes, as long as you can equip all three.

[Bless]

Dumb question, but does armor+61 shield+76 shield get u the 3 piece ring?

In other words can I get the 3piece ring without either helm? YES!

[Techno Email]

Dumb question, but does armor+61 shield+76 shield get u the 3 piece ring?

In other words can I get the 3piece ring without either helm?

No. Do you have this combination? If so, time to hit the grind button before tomorrow. ;)

It works just like itemset bonuses, so you DO need to wear the items as a set. We will continue to roll out elite vanities in sequence so you can continue to build your set. The 76 cap's item is a shield, the next will likely be armor, then a helm, and so on.

[Techno Email]

YES!

Actually, no. See above. ;)

[StompArtist]

Actually, no. See above. ;)

YES!

[Jsaieagle]

YES!

Thanks Techno, just two more questions:

1) would i be able to keep the vanities after i got the ring?
2) if yes, would i be able to get the another 3-piece bonus ring after i used L71 helmet and L76 shield for the 2-piece bonus ring?

[Techno Email]

Thanks Techno, just two more questions:

1) would i be able to keep the vanities after i got the ring?
2) if yes, would i be able to get the another 3-piece bonus ring after i used L71 helmet and L76 shield for the 2-piece bonus ring?

YES and YES! :)

(Can you tell I'm having fun with my ALL CAPS YES's?)

[Walkhardd]

86 cap, here I come. Zzz

[Jsaieagle]

YES and YES! :)

(Can you tell I'm having fun with my ALL CAPS YES's?)

Thanks Techo! I'm sure I'm having fun with my ALL CAPS!!

[Nihiliste]

Edit: Nevermind just re-read it.

[Samhayne]

I am wondering if I can keep the L71 helmet and L76 shield until next lvl cap?
Would I be able to get another stat bonus with the L81 armor?

Just to be clear, you do not lose your vanity items. You'll still have them after you do the quest and obtain your ring.

[Spectre]

(Can you tell I'm having fun with my ALL CAPS YES's?)

YES!

[ArtofWar]

this shield.........is epic!!!! O.O

[Jsaieagle]

Just to be clear, you do not lose your vanity items. You'll still have them after you do the quest and obtain your ring.


Yes Sam, for example, if I have ONLY L71 helmet and L76 shield, I can still do the quest and get the 2-piece bonus ring.
When I got the L81 armor next cap, I would be able to get the 3-piece bonus ring.

Am I correct? :banana:

[Samhayne]

Yes Sam, for example, if I have ONLY L71 helmet and L76 shield, I can still do the quest and get the 2-piece bonus ring.
When I got the L81 armor next cap, I would be able to get the 3-piece bonus ring.

Am I correct? :banana:

Yes :banana:

[Lowlyspy]

YES and YES! :)

(Can you tell I'm having fun with my ALL CAPS YES's?)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Jsaieagle]

Yes :banana:

Thanks for your quick reply Sam! <3

This idea is good.

[ArtofWar]

A big thanks to the devs for this new feature! Thanks you soooo much!

[Superduper]

I am loving The Lord of the Rings direction this is going

[StompArtist]

I am loving The Lord of the Rings direction this is going

Samaruman is steering the game in a direction that please the Dark Lord.

[Cobraguy]

Need another YES here. Since it hasn't been posted equipping the Monarch helm and the MFA armor will let me acquire a 2 piece ring correct?

[Noodleleg]

Yes, there are sparkles associated with equipping either of the Legendary Rings.

Ring of Valiance - blue sparkles
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Ring of Valiant Glory - multi colored sparkles (they change from white to red to green)
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Tyvm for pointing that out ^_^!

[Jsaieagle]

Need another YES here. Since it hasn't been posted equipping the Monarch helm and the MFA armor will let me acquire a 2 piece ring correct?

It's a YES!

[Jsaieagle]

Tyvm for pointing that out... But just for Lmao's sake, stashable >:-)?

Not stashable and not tradable!

[FluffNStuff]

I am loving The Lord of the Rings direction this is going

The eye on that shield and the quest for the ring, I was just waiting for someone to point that out. Thanks!

[TANKKAAR]

Reposted next page.... added some thoughts

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?72100-Change-to-Pocket-Legends-Elite-Vanity-Item-Set-Bonuses-%96-Introducing-Legendary-Rings&p=817621&viewfull=1#post817621

[Walkhardd]

Screw it I'm going for 76 tonight.

I'm blaming sts for my future divorce..

[Noodleleg]

Screw it I'm going for 76 tonight.

I'm blaming sts for my future divorce..

-_- Steve Steve...

[Nihiliste]

Question, I can get the two-peice vanity ring with my Mount Fang Armor and Shield of Hallows. That's one ring, if I equip the Monarch Helm of Humania with my MFA and SoH, can I obtain the three-peice ring?

[ArtofWar]

Question, I can get the two-peice vanity ring with my Mount Fang Armor and Shield of Hallows. That's one ring, if I equip the Monarch Helm of Humania with my MFA and SoH, can I obtain the three-peice ring?

I think so.

[Jsaieagle]

Question, I can get the two-peice vanity ring with my Mount Fang Armor and Shield of Hallows. That's one ring, if I equip the Monarch Helm of Humania with my MFA and SoH, can I obtain the three-peice ring?

Yes you can

[LwMark]

Woot

[skrapicoco]

FINALLY thanks for this

[Reddwing]

Aw wish I saw the "too long didn't read" before I read the whole thing. xD Awesome direction this games going in!

[Traebeles99]

This sucks for me I guess I dont have any of the elite lvl cap items because I get to lets say 70 and get bored and PvP so to get a ring I will have to get to 76 before I can get the ring is that correct?

[TANKKAAR]

I have a few comments/questions, along with some pros vs cons that I see with this change.

As of right now anyone with the elite vanities can equip them for an "Elite Vanity Bonus" (+1 crit, +5 dodge, +55 HP, +15 Armor)

Also while gaining the this "Elite Vanity Bonus" that same character is capable of equipping a vanity ring of varying stats, one of my favorite rings on bear is "Fine steel ring of Technique" (+1% dodge,+2 H/S , +5 armor)
Side bar about the rings I have over 30 rings spread over my 16 toons and find that in PVP where one ring isnt that effective against specific builds another ring is. With the loss of this ring slot not only will we be losing stats but we will be more generic in builds at end game creating, IMO a bigger issue then looking the same!

So in reality, I am able to attain a bonus of (+1 crit, +6 dodge, +55 HP,+2 H/S, +20 Armor)

With this change occurring the only stat increase im seeing that is different from the "Elite Vanity Bonus" is the additional +3 to Str, Int, Dex. which in my opinion is COOL but doesn't seem to make up for the loss of the additional ring stats??

Questions:
1) Am I not adding this right?
2) Will we be given an additional ring slot so we are able to equip multiple rings?? (after all we do have more then one finger)
3) What will happen to all the rings we have spent "REAL MONEY" on?


PROS
-Wont all look alike
-Can wear what ever vanity we want
-ALL players now have a chance for ELITE VANITY BONUS!!

CONS
-Will lose stats
-Wasted money on rings that cannot be used on these toons any longer
-Character builds will become more generic at end game then they already are

This is meant to be constructive, Please do not flame or bring down what I am saying. If you have any thoughts or comments about this PLEASE feel free to share!

[Matutd]

Awesome! Now my MFA is actually useful AND I have a reason to go for cap!! :)

[GoodSyntax]

I think that this is hinting toward a decidedly DL-like focus on vanity items.

Are you still going to be supporting multiple set bonuses like in the Humania cap?

I love that my mage had the option of an offensive set, a defensive set and a crafted variant for both as well - hopefully that will continue in this expansion.

[razerfingers]

This is an awesome idea. I for sure tomorrow will be getting my 2 vanity ring :)

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

[Samhayne]

Question, I can get the two-peice vanity ring with my Mount Fang Armor and Shield of Hallows. That's one ring, if I equip the Monarch Helm of Humania with my MFA and SoH, can I obtain the three-peice ring?

You can still only ever equip 1 ring at a time. So yeah, you can get both rings. I guess if you like the sparklies of one over the other - go for it :D I think most would wear the ring with the better stats.

[Nihiliste]

I prefer the three-peice sparkles. And yeah, I would wear the one with better stats.

[LwMark]

You can still only ever equip 1 ring at a time. So yeah, you can get both rings. I guess if you like the sparklies of one over the other - go for it :D I think most would wear the ring with the better stats.

whats the word on black sets and pets

[submit]

Will there be a level requirement for the rings

[Pakax]

Next step... Make rings for peeps with 5 caps....???? :-))) like the 'mega uber supra ring of high valor' or something...

[Entertaining]

So...I have MF armor, and Monarch helm..if i get the new shield can i get the best ring? And btw, If i get the first ring with the MF armor and Monarch helm...will I be able to exchange the ring for the better one once i get the shield?

[Fncrazy]

So would we be able to stack the elite rings on top of plat rings that we are already wearing

Can a Dev plz answer this.

[LwMark]

Can a Dev plz answer this.
i think not, since theres only one ring section in your inventory, i doubt they will add a second section

[CrimsonTider]

So...I have MF armor, and Monarch helm..if i get the new shield can i get the best ring? And btw, If i get the first ring with the MF armor and Monarch helm...will I be able to exchange the ring for the better one once i get the shield?

Already answered: TE said "YES!!"

@Tank - I understand where you are coming from bro, but doesn't seem a little too much? We all have purchased tons of rings and I think STS is doing what they can to appease all. At some point, we are going to have to take a loss somewhere. And who knows what the future will bring. Just my two plat... :)

[Xiximaurie]

question: will these ring use up the ring slot? was just wondering since these vanity rings are combinations of chosen vanities, will there be a creation of a vanity ring in the vanities tab? otherwise, end game toons will probably have little to no use of the rings that were previously bought.

[Kraze]

So would we be able to stack the elite rings on top of plat rings that we are already wearing

Can a Dev plz answer this.
Sam did one ring to rule them all

[imaddictedtoPL]

Few questions

1.Will there be an Elite campaign?

2. I myself have a volconut and a MF armor. If I get a 2 piece ring now, then when I get the shield and get the 3 piece ring. Will I be able to keep both rings?

3. No special titles for people who reached 71 in under 4 days? :) (curious)

[Entertaining]

i think not, since theres only one ring section in your inventory, i doubt they will add a second section

We do have multiple fingers though ^^

[Nihiliste]

Few questions

1.Will there be an Elite campaign?

2. I myself have a volconut and a MF armor. If I get a 2 piece ring now, then when I get the shield and get the 3 piece ring. Will I be able to keep both rings?

3. No special titles for people who reached 71 in under 4 days? :) (curious)

There's already another thread made by Samhayne to answer your last question. Also scroll up a bit and Sam answered my question on getting both rings.

[dudetus]

Mhm...

Elite ring + dragon set + that op get-to-the-cap-in-4-days shield + the lvl 75 set = Sheer ownage I believe. Now the ones with the edge to PvP r the ones who have dem golds. Sad that I am poor.

[LwMark]

Mhm...

Elite ring + dragon set + that op get-to-the-cap-in-4-days shield + the lvl 75 set = Sheer ownage I believe. Now the ones with the edge to PvP r the ones who have dem golds. Sad that I am poor.

thanks for pointing that out :) forgot about adding with drags haha

[dudetus]

thanks for pointing that out :) forgot about adding with drags haha

Yep.

Now the BIG question, will Dragon vanities keep their stats?

[TEOKILLO]

:( im very disappointed that elite vanities lose their stats, but if u have a cop, mf armor and monarch helm, u get 3 pcs bonus?

[Pakax]

Yep.

Now the BIG question, will Dragon vanities keep their stats?

Sam... Will they?

[LwMark]

Yep.

Now the BIG question, will Dragon vanities keep their stats?

Sam... Will they?

Well he just did a big update an listed everythin thats goin to change, an he didnt list the mt fang drags, so im goin to assume they will stay the way they are, makin them still wanted. And they have probably discussed this scenario, i doubt they would do that, you know how many people bought drag pets because it links with the dropped items to give bonus, ALOT

[Techno Email]

Mhm...

Elite ring + dragon set + that op get-to-the-cap-in-4-days shield + the lvl 75 set = Sheer ownage I believe. Now the ones with the edge to PvP r the ones who have dem golds. Sad that I am poor.

The "that op get-to-the-cap-in-4-days shield" isn't really OP. It's just a fun, weird item. :) When I get a chance to set up the black dragon vanity turn-ins, I'll probably make one for this too. But, for now, I made it stat'd and made it contribute to all the two-handed (defensive) itemset bonuses. You'll already be getting the Eye of Eternity vanity offhand, so I figured it would more fun to get a stat'd offhand for the bonus elite level cap item...if you're TOTALLY LOCO AND PLAY LIKE CRAZY THIS WEEKEND!!!! :onthego:

[Lowellpimpd]

So basicaly the people who had started grinding from the sewers and all the way to get all three really doesnt matter becuase if u just started playing and have shield armor and new helm get same thing as people who grinded sewers and have stuck with this game and keeped playing and paying to get all three becuase there are to many people crying? Little unfair ive payed my dues 60k plat spent and looking back now i find it all a big waste sad days :uncomfortableness: Why not have a ring for people who have all 4 or even better founders helm and shield???? This gets funnyer every level cap

[Lowellpimpd]

:( im very disappointed that elite vanities lose their stats, but if u have a cop, mf armor and monarch helm, u get 3 pcs bonus?
I feel ur same thoughts here kinda messed up if u ask me

[ArtofWar]

:( im very disappointed that elite vanities lose their stats, but if u have a cop, mf armor and monarch helm, u get 3 pcs bonus?

yes

[Lowellpimpd]

This has all gotten out of hand why oh why allways have to take stuff thats already giving to those who worked for what they have gotten.

[razerfingers]

So basicaly the people who had started grinding from the sewers and all the way to get all three really doesnt matter becuase if u just started playing and have shield armor and new helm get same thing as people who grinded sewers and have stuck with this game and keeped playing and paying to get all three becuase there are to many people crying? Little unfair ive payed my dues 60k plat spent and looking back now i find it all a big waste sad days :uncomfortableness: Why not have a ring for people who have all 4 or even better founders helm and shield???? This gets funnyer every level cap

You mad?
1) i thinks its a great idea to do what they're doing!
2) well gives uniqueness to wearing any vanity you want witht he bonus i.e you can still wear all three first vanities and be pro with the look again. So technically they cut down the complaining and now someone gets butt hurt cause they made it more fun? Seems legit...

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

[Sryyoulose]

Great great great AWESOME idea STS! Way to come through! :)

[TANKKAAR]

Forgot to mention in my above post (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?72100-Change-to-Pocket-Legends-Elite-Vanity-Item-Set-Bonuses-%96-Introducing-Legendary-Rings&p=817621&viewfull=1#post817621) that the ability to stack dragon and elite bonus coupled with the loss of ability to wear Plat purchased rings will make Dragon sets even more OP and could possibly make there prices GO EVEN HIGHER!

If you could even fathom any PL item being worth more than 50mil, i think your about to see it, unless something is done.....

[Sciazaratek]

Bet therea a map called : Blacksmoke Mountain - Mount Doom

[razerfingers]

Everyone needs to stop complaining that everything is OP. I mean seriously? Go out farm drgon set and buy dragon problem solved. Go get a few caps problem solved end of story!

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

[TANKKAAR]

Everyone needs to stop complaining that everything is OP. I mean seriously? Go out farm drgon set and buy dragon problem solved. Go get a few caps problem solved end of story!

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

I wasn't complaining...lol.. so, no need to rage. It was nothing more than an observation that I believe has some serious effects on not only the economy but a neglected endgame PVP aswell.

[Samhayne]

So basicaly the people who had started grinding from the sewers and all the way to get all three really doesnt matter becuase if u just started playing and have shield armor and new helm get same thing as people who grinded sewers and have stuck with this game and keeped playing and paying to get all three becuase there are to many people crying? Little unfair ive payed my dues 60k plat spent and looking back now i find it all a big waste sad days :uncomfortableness: Why not have a ring for people who have all 4 or even better founders helm and shield???? This gets funnyer every level cap

You had the very best when it was the very best. Just the same when I ground out my Epic Weapon in EverQuest. It was the best of the best and very hard to get at the time. If I went back to EQ now, I don't think it would be - but my little Gnome would have mad bragging rights with my staff of the serpent, but that's about it. Or in WoW, when I was one of the first Paladin's on my server to get The Unstoppable Force. It was a grind, but so satisfying to have at the time. Now, it's just something to take up bank space.

I know that we can do more to honor our long time players, but at the same time it is important to keep a somewhat level playing field so that newcomers don't feel they can't ever possibly compete. Hopefully you can see a bit of our side and we can acknowledge your side as a valid complaint. Thanks for your feedback and thanks in advance for your understanding.

[JaytB]

Personally, I think all vanity bonuses should be removed. This would include founders helm and dragon sets.

As mentioned by Sam in his original post, one of the reasons to remove vanity set bonuses is to not make everyone look alike. Now everyone will just run around in dragon vanity sets. How's that any different from what we had?

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to sound like I'm complaining here. It's just that the whole 'vanities should be just vanities' is only true for the elite vanity items.

[TANKKAAR]

it is important to keep a somewhat level playing field so that newcomers don't feel they can't ever possibly compete.

may I ask how taking away the ability to stack plat ring with elite vanity, but at the same time making elite bonus stack-able with dragon sets is keeping level playing fields? Or will dragon sets be losing there stats aswell?

[razerfingers]

I wasn't complaining...lol.. so, no need to rage. It was nothing more than an observation that I believe has some serious effects on not only the economy but a neglected endgame PVP aswell.

Lol i wasnt refering to your post tank xP

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

[styg2012]

I was pretty sure that techno said old elite vanity bonuses aren't going away. So this patch only applies to the future vanities? then it doesnt solve anything.

[Samhayne]

may I ask how taking away the ability to stack plat ring with elite vanity, but at the same time making elite bonus stack-able with dragon sets is keeping level playing fields? Or will dragon sets be losing there stats aswell?

Something will likely have to give with the Dragon sets too.

[styg2012]

This patch is applying to the old vanities too right? so no bonus for any elite vanities except the founder's cap.

[JaytB]

The "that op get-to-the-cap-in-4-days shield" isn't really OP. It's just a fun, weird item. :) When I get a chance to set up the black dragon vanity turn-ins, I'll probably make one for this too. But, for now, I made it stat'd and made it contribute to all the two-handed (defensive) itemset bonuses. You'll already be getting the Eye of Eternity vanity offhand, so I figured it would more fun to get a stat'd offhand for the bonus elite level cap item...if you're TOTALLY LOCO AND PLAY LIKE CRAZY THIS WEEKEND!!!! :onthego:

A little clarity on whether the item will keep its stats or not will most probably avoid heated discussions if you ever decide to remove the stats in the future.

[Heroelite]

This patch is applying to the old vanities too right? so no bonus for any elite vanities except the founder's cap.
All elite vanities will lose their bonus and as long as you have any 2 or 3 elite vanities, then you can get the elite ring.

[Energizeric]

Something will likely have to give with the Dragon sets too.

If I spent all that plat to get a dragon pet for no other reason than the stats, and it gets taken away, I don't think I will ever buy another vanity item again for plat. Just saying....

Seems you can no longer make long term decisions when spending in pocket legends these days. You just have to get what you think is good for the short term. And if that be the case, then fine, but I would certainly not spend real money in the game if it wasn't for long term benefit of my toon. Plenty of in-game gold purchased items would suffice.

[Samhayne]

If I spent all that plat to get a dragon pet for no other reason than the stats, and it gets taken away, I don't think I will ever buy another vanity item again for plat. Just saying....

Seems you can no longer make long term decisions when spending in pocket legends these days. You just have to get what you think is good for the short term. And if that be the case, then fine, but I would certainly not spend real money in the game if it wasn't for long term benefit of my toon. Plenty of in-game gold purchased items would suffice.

I doubt we'd just rip the set bonus off the dragon sets. That seems rather rash and disrespectful to our players and the game's economy. But, finding something like what we've done with the elite vanities is probably a course to look at. I don't have the task of doing that, so I can't really say what, when or if it would take shape. Just saying that ideally, something would change so that there are not significant stats tied to vanities.

[Nihiliste]

Well, I'll be excited and waiting to get home from school tommorow.

Good night forums.

[Fastcast]

Wont having the ring with any dragon vanity set be super overpowered?? Woot woot Dragon vanitys are gonne be in high demand

[Fastcast]

Oups sorry i need to read more

[Mothwing]

I don't see how changing the bonuses to a ring helped. Anyone with the full set can just get the stats back immediately. Even better stats? (I don't know the current stats).

[Fastcast]

Whats the word on founders helm they lose there stats as well right?

[Jewelsofjane]

Thank you sts! I for one have had faith that this would all be worked out. I have been saying the exact same for over a year now: everyone looks the same, and it's not fair for new incoming players... Thank you again...


And to all those who argued over and over and over and threw fits when I brought this subject up saying it needed to be fixed still...... In your face... Lol omg what I really want to say I can't..... And I won't call out any names ... cough* darkredwaver" cough*

I guess the know it all didn't really know it all after all.

But again STS I'm so giving you more of my money now... No lie. Good job!

[StompArtist]

Whats the word on founders helm they lose there stats as well right?

Go back in thread says remains as-is.

[submit]

He said nothing will happen to founders

[Fastcast]

YES! :)


He said nothing will happen to founders

Yes just read wow now they get to be overpowered using founders helm with a ring of glory

[Ebalata]

Now this levels the playing field for newer players who started with Mount Fang Armor vanity :D Thanks a lot, I am going to love playing PL more... particularly CTF and PVP :D

[United]

I doubt we'd just rip the set bonus off the dragon sets. That seems rather rash and disrespectful to our players and the game's economy. But, finding something like what we've done with the elite vanities is probably a course to look at. I don't have the task of doing that, so I can't really say what, when or if it would take shape. Just saying that ideally, something would change so that there are not significant stats tied to vanities.
beside players can still obtain those dragon vanities at mount fang!
and now with them able to drop from an reroll. its not as rare as before.

[TANKKAAR]

Yes just read wow now they get to be overpowered using founders helm with a ring of glory

You should be more afraid of the Dragon vanities being stacked with ring of glory...... bad news for endgamers that dont own dragon set

[Fastcast]

You should be more afraid of the Dragon vanities being stacked with ring of glory...... bad news for endgamers that dont own dragon set

Yes but dragon gear is easily farmable now i got blue helm n green armor within 10 runs very lucky

[Swords]

eye of enternity and monarch helm could still get quest? and why the ring requirement is lvl 1? pvp at l10 and up will be too OP

[TANKKAAR]

Yes but dragon gear is easily farmable now i got blue helm n green armor within 10 runs very lucky

:( not all are that lucky...


Tell me did you also get some salt and lemon drops to rub it in....lol


eye of enternity and monarch helm could still get quest? and why the ring requirement is lvl 1? pvp at l10 and up will be too OP

They already stated that lvl doesn't matter as this ring isn't stash-able or tradable

[Nihiliste]

Edit: Read above post.

[styg2012]

Im guessing you can do the quest multiple times to get both rings?

[Energizeric]

I doubt we'd just rip the set bonus off the dragon sets. That seems rather rash and disrespectful to our players and the game's economy. But, finding something like what we've done with the elite vanities is probably a course to look at. I don't have the task of doing that, so I can't really say what, when or if it would take shape. Just saying that ideally, something would change so that there are not significant stats tied to vanities.

Ok, I understand now what you're saying, but I cannot imagine how you could possibly accomplish this. With the elite vanities it is easy since they are not tradeable or sellable or even stashable, so you just convert them to rings and you are done. But with dragon items you have many more situations. You have those who have an armor, but no helm, or armor and helm but no pet, etc. So what happens to them?

Also, even with the huge price drops, dragon items are still the most expensive items in game, and many players (including me) have spent their entire fortunes on these sets. Now with these elite vanity rings, if you make it so I have to chose between a dragon ring or the elite ring, the stats for the elite would obviously be much higher so the dragon would become pretty useless for most end game players, and thus the sets would lose all their value.

The issues you mentioned in your opening post about newer players not being able to get the old vanities was indeed an issue. By changing to this new ring system, you have leveled the playing field for new players. With dragon sets, I don't see a need to change anything. Any player, new or old, can get a dragon set whether by farming or by saving up enough gold to buy it. These are the elite items that players work hard to get over a long period of time. Making it so end game players would not use them would ruin the PL economy.

[styg2012]

eye of enternity and monarch helm could still get quest? and why the ring requirement is lvl 1? pvp at l10 and up will be too OP

Not tradable or stashable. so if you are not at least level 61, you cannot obtain the ring.

[Energizeric]

I don't see how changing the bonuses to a ring helped. Anyone with the full set can just get the stats back immediately. Even better stats? (I don't know the current stats).

It helped by giving new players a path to getting their own elite vanity ring. With the old system, you could never accomplish this. Now a new player can cap over the next 3 campaigns and get their ring!

Apparently your idea of helping is just to make the stats for everyone the same, whether they played for 2 years or one month, and whether they grinded 8 hours per day or played for a few minutes here and there. Don't you think those who work harder deserve to have better stats and items than those who don't?

[onemadzhau]

One question. Maybe it was already stated, I may be a bit confused (or dumb u chose) but I have mt fang armor, the nuri shield and humania helm does that give me the 2 or 3 ring?

[Swords]

One question. Maybe it was already stated, I may be a bit confused (or dumb u chose) but I have mt fang armor, the nuri shield and humania helm does that give me the 2 or 3 ring?

im pretty sure its 3 since u have 3 different ELITE vanites

[Jcyee]

Omg the ring!
And omg the shield
and omg this is perfect timing
cant wait for this :)

[onemadzhau]

im pretty sure its 3 since u have 3 different ELITE vanites

I was thinking that but wasn't sure :/

[Lady_Pebbles]

Good luck everyone. No way in hell Imma hit lvl71 cap by tomorrow (just hit lvl50 lol) & I've never capped on PL before (yet my account is over a yr old lmao). I won't be getting those rings. XD The stats are decent though & glad no more stats are going to be added to vans.

[Bootdaddy]

Cool

[Jcyee]

so on top of the elite vanity bonus some of us have, we can obtain one of the rings?

[gibol1412]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
ROFL


And thank You STS! Yes! Yes! Yes!:sentimental:



It helped by giving new players a path to getting their own elite vanity ring. With the old system, you could never accomplish this. Now a new player can cap over the next 3 campaigns and get their ring!

Apparently your idea of helping is just to make the stats for everyone the same, whether they played for 2 years or one month, and whether they grinded 8 hours per day or played for a few minutes here and there. Don't you think those who work harder deserve to have better stats and items than those who don't?

Getting 3x max level is not few minutes. You suck!

[CrimsonTider]

Thank you sts! I for one have had faith that this would all be worked out. I have been saying the exact same for over a year now: everyone looks the same, and it's not fair for new incoming players... Thank you again...


And to all those who argued over and over and over and threw fits when I brought this subject up saying it needed to be fixed still...... In your face... Lol omg what I really want to say I can't..... And I won't call out any names ... cough* darkredwaver" cough*

I guess the know it all didn't really know it all after all.

But again STS I'm so giving you more of my money now... No lie. Good job!

If you wanna call me out Eden, then just do it. However, watch what you say because anyone who knows me knows my stance on this. You STILL don't get the crown so have fun with your "bonus".

[Fncrazy]

Noobs :p

[styg2012]

so on top of the elite vanity bonus some of us have, we can obtain one of the rings?

no stats on elite vanities other than the ring.

[Fastcast]

Why is all the new comers happy? RING CAN BE used with FOUNDERS HELM they will pwn you in pvp now so why would that even the playing field? It doesnt

[Fastcast]

ALL HAIL founders helm owners the new era of FOUNDERS HELM and THE RING OF GLORY has begun!

[saool]

Why is all the new comers happy? RING CAN BE used with FOUNDERS HELM they will pwn you in pvp now so why would that even the playing field? It doesnt

If you level within 4 days you can get an Elite offhand shield too...so yeah lol I'm kinda anxious to see how this plays out

[azefekie]

well....dont know what to say...

[Waug]

I was bit correct in my theory when sam asked the puzzl lol

I think those two pieces means two caps for JUST ONE ELITE VANITY that would make set in future, after so much argument on elite vanity set bonus, they finally tried to make a solution in this way.

Thanks a looooooooot, finally they listen to what was much more fair.
awesome, great, coolest job.

Jump, jump jump to the air.

I'm also happy to see that many oldies also appreciating this, thnx for the sporty attitute.

[Ebalata]

Just curious... will there be a ring in the Vanity section of our inventories? If not, then this implies that the other rings we bought previously will be useless? I do hope we could use the old rings we bought and at the same time use the 2-piece vanity/ 3-piece vanity rings :D

[Waug]

I'm not getting the ring stack issue, why u need all the advantages, this ring is much much op than any existing ring.

[Fncrazy]

I'm not getting the ring stack issue, why u need all the advantages, this ring is much much op than any existing ring.

Because those of us with the og vanity set had both bonuses :p

[Waug]

Because those of us with the og vanity set had both bonuses :p

Ikr, that's why said, you guys wants all the advantages lol.

[Entertaining]

Awesome! I hope the lvl requirement on the rings are being changed before the release tho. ;)

Why does the level requirement matter? The rings are untradable and unstashable

[Phoenixking]

So MFA was worth it xD ill try to get this cap then to get ring. And the shield, I like it a lot.

[McBain]

All this ring stuff seems overly complicated. I don't get how shifting the stats around "fixes" anything. Whatevs. Not gonna worry my pretty little head about it.

Anyway, that 76 cap shield looks BOSS. Well done!

[Bous]

Good stuff. Time to quit L15 and endgame. Woop woop. I have a feeling people with the eilte sets right now and rushed are gonna get a whoopin of a lifetime. Soooo pumped

[Phoenixking]

All this ring stuff seems overly complicated. I don't get how shifting the stats around "fixes" anything. Whatevs. Not gonna worry my pretty little head about it.

Anyway, that 76 cap shield looks BOSS. Well done!
For that vanities can be vanities, we can have the same stats but wear all the other awesome vanities

[Abadaobiran]

...cool

[KingFu]

Didn't bother reading the past 8 pages. Just please make the ring stashable, or have it appear in stash so you can chose which character you want it on. Shouldn't be a problem if you add a 56+ requirement. Otherwise, it's money down the drain for me. And I spent tons of money hitting those caps.

[Jcyee]

Why is all the new comers happy? RING CAN BE used with FOUNDERS HELM they will pwn you in pvp now so why would that even the playing field? It doesnt

got a point there... even though not as many people have the founders than all 3 original elite vanities. they do have a small edge... anyone have the stats on the founders helm?

[AbsolutePally]

Can the dingy crown and 61&66 get a 3 piece??

I would like to be able to use the rings I bought. I've so many and IMO in pvp rings make a dif,, which u choose to equip. It was a variable for all players in pvp to make or builds different and suitable to our style.
Also since ive two chars w 3 or more vanities can I now stop hittin lvl cap since i've achieved the max three already-it would save me a lot of mony.or will there be more incentive??

[Deathofan]

Wow...did someone alrdy mention... What if I wear my elite ring with a dragon set bonus?? Huge stats!!??

[Swordkill]

How about if someone have CoP, then Mfa and Monarch, is he able to get 3 ring bonus?

[Bous]

Stats on founders helm is 5 damage 5 armor. Since the elite vanity wont have stats anymore would it be stashable? So i could put it on a twink thats lvl 15?

[razerfingers]

How about if someone have CoP, then Mfa and Monarch, is he able to get 3 ring bonus?

No, you have to equip 3 vanities at same time

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

[razerfingers]

Stats on founders helm is 5 damage 5 armor. Since the elite vanity wont have stats anymore would it be stashable? So i could put it on a twink thats lvl 15?

That would be so cool! Like ive seen your twink it looks pro already i can imagine an elite set w/o bonus lol!

Sent using blood on a bathroom wall.

[Chopper]

If i read this right, STS has at last finally addressed the imblance from taking away the set bonuses with Humania. this is a great thing. I guess it means that the old Elite Vanities lose their bonuses (which old players said would never happen of course).\

[DXDARKXSOULXD]

is the item u will get is only the ring for the cap of 71?

[dudetus]

ALL HAIL founders helm owners the new era of FOUNDERS HELM and THE RING OF GLORY has begun!

Dragon set is more powerful than Founder's... It is all about Dragons in the future, not Founder's.

[Ruby!!!]

I like the change - it should stop all the "new ppl can't obtain stuff" talk.

So we can expect everyone to wear drag sets now or if the don't have the gold founders for pvp and big luck for pve. That is more variety than before.
That change also confirms theres no luv for having 4 or 5 vanities. No rush going 76 for me then and also I'll keep my toons with just 3 vanities where they are :apathy:

About ring stacking: How about sending fallen prince to an advanced crafting weekend class so he can combine the uber ring of triple grind with one platinum ring? This would allow to keep their stats and force ppl to make a decision which ring to craft. Which is more intriguing than just thinking "i wants bes gear"

[Pakax]

Prob too late but ruby's idea on crafting old rings is fab

[brodiniozo]

Ok wait..

Ive not read the entire thread but,

My cop+soh+mt armor = no more bonus?

Idc bout the rings and blabla, i just wanna know this.

[Pakax]

Ok wait..

Ive not read the entire thread but,

My cop+soh+mt armor = no more bonus?

Idc bout the rings and blabla, i just wanna know this.

Correct. However it enables u to get the best ring straight away.

[brodiniozo]

Correct. However it enables u to get the best ring straight away.

.........

[connerlee12]

If i read this right, STS has at last finally addressed the imblance from taking away the set bonuses with Humania. this is a great thing. I guess it means that the old Elite Vanities lose their bonuses (which old players said would never happen of course).\


Could you just please stop?
You've already spent an eternity bashing for this.
Be HAPPY that this actually happened and stop going even further to bash older players.
At least those older players ARE NOT complaining right now.

[brodiniozo]

I want my elite bonus and the new elite ring.

[Pakax]

Dragon set is more powerful than Founder's... It is all about Dragons in the future, not Founder's.

Unless they also kill dragon stats, so older players and grinders can lose even more money than they already have in the last month.

[CrimsonTider]

If i read this right, STS has at last finally addressed the imblance from taking away the set bonuses with Humania. this is a great thing. I guess it means that the old Elite Vanities lose their bonuses (which old players said would never happen of course).\

Actually, the ring gives a better bonus so noone lost anything. And, if you ever payed attention to what most of us said, we could care less about the bonuses, we wanted to keep the CoP/SoH/MFA exclusive. We got that.

[WarTornBird]

So I have the MFA, if I get the the new Eyeball shield. I'll get a ring? I cant seem to piece together this nonsense.

[WarTornBird]

Can the dingy crown and 61&66 get a 3 piece??

I would like to be able to use the rings I bought. I've so many and IMO in pvp rings make a dif,, which u choose to equip. It was a variable for all players in pvp to make or builds different and suitable to our style.
Also since ive two chars w 3 or more vanities can I now stop hittin lvl cap since i've achieved the max three already-it would save me a lot of mony.or will there be more incentive??

I would assume from this past cap that there is going to be an incentive. Because you have more than one toon with 3 vanities, I feel like you can relax a lot than race to the next cap like most do because they can with thrashers. I don't know I could be wrong.

[Chopper]

Actually, the ring gives a better bonus so noone lost anything. And, if you ever payed attention to what most of us said, we could care less about the bonuses, we wanted to keep the CoP/SoH/MFA exclusive. We got that.

I did pay attention. Many people saying theyd quit if those set bonuses were removed and how they would never be taken away. I like the change. So long as you have three elites, youve maxed out on elite vanity bonuses.

[LwMark]

Can the dingy crown and 61&66 get a 3 piece??

I would like to be able to use the rings I bought. I've so many and IMO in pvp rings make a dif,, which u choose to equip. It was a variable for all players in pvp to make or builds different and suitable to our style.
Also since ive two chars w 3 or more vanities can I now stop hittin lvl cap since i've achieved the max three already-it would save me a lot of mony.or will there be more incentive??

I would assume from this past cap that there is going to be an incentive. Because you have more than one toon with 3 vanities, I feel like you can relax a lot than race to the next cap like most do because they can with thrashers. I don't know I could be wrong.
Example:
Monarch let you join mystery mash , if u dont have you cant enter, you still need the elites if u wanna join future temporary maps?

[JaytB]

I did pay attention. Many people saying theyd quit if those set bonuses were removed and how they would never be taken away. I like the change. So long as you have three elites, youve maxed out on elite vanity bonuses.

I think by 'many', you mean 'some'. Many of my friends have the 3 piece 'original' vanity set, and couldn't care less if its stats got removed, and that includes myself.

---

The only downside with the current solution is that plat bought rings for hardcore endgamers will be obsolete. The only way to get a stat increase is, ironically, equip a dragon vanity set.

[Riccits]

i dont get all the discussion about founders helm... in endgame doesnt make any felt difference in pvp.. i could may help win 1 fight out of 300 where u may have left 20hp

for twinks like lvl 10-15 it helps a bit more, there may u win 1 fight of 10 more vs someone with same equip.

[Taaralatie]

I think by 'many', you mean 'some'. Many of my friends have the 3 piece 'original' vanity set, and couldn't care less if its stats got removed, and that includes myself.

---

The only downside with the current solution is that plat bought rings for hardcore endgamers will be obsolete. The only way to get a stat increase is, ironically, equip a dragon vanity set.

Yes I have all three caps on 3 of my toons. I am happy enough for the change to rings...I will enjoy breaking out of my COP, Fang Armour and shield in search of other vanities (cough cough, probably dragon). But, like you, I have bought many many different platinum rings. Seems a shame they will be obsolete. But I do understand the reasons behind it. Could I have a refund please? Or, can we recycle them for uber cool glitter sparkly rainbow rideable unicorn pet?

[JaytB]

Yes I have all three caps on 3 of my toons. I am happy enough for the change to rings...I will enjoy breaking out of my COP, Fang Armour and shield in search of other vanities (cough cough, probably dragon). But, like you, I have bought many many different platinum rings. Seems a shame they will be obsolete. But I do understand the reasons behind it. Could I have a refund please? Or, can we recycle them for uber cool glitter sparkly rainbow rideable unicorn pet?

Or how about making our current rings craftable with the new elite ring? It could be like a one time thing, adding the stats of our favorite ring to the stats of the new elite rings. Maybe an option to 'uncraft' it if we ever decide we want other stats.

I'd settle for the unicorn pet though, but it would have to come in a manly black color :D

[Ruby!!!]

Or how about making our current rings craftable with the new elite ring?

Sorry sir but I demand copyright for this idea (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?72100-Change-to-Pocket-Legends-Elite-Vanity-Item-Set-Bonuses-%96-Introducing-Legendary-Rings&p=818346&viewfull=1#post818346) :p

[Extreme]

Wooooohohooooo gjjj

[Riccits]

i would like to take of any stats from vanitys and put into stuff like rings that we dont can see. so at endlevel we all woudnt look same wich is a bit odd.

mayb devs could look into transmoggrification possibilities so we make our own looks^^

[Extreme]

so like ,,, the rin g is the one who is giving set bonuss , not the elite vanity??

[Taaralatie]

I'd settle for the unicorn pet though, but it would have to come in a manly black color :D

Oh come on now Jay, you know you want a pink one...no need to be shy here. You're among friends ;)

[Mrvietnamese]

what can we do with our platinum ring?

[JaytB]

Sorry sir but I demand copyright for this idea (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?72100-Change-to-Pocket-Legends-Elite-Vanity-Item-Set-Bonuses-%96-Introducing-Legendary-Rings&p=818346&viewfull=1#post818346) :p

Haha, you were definitely first on that one :)



Oh come on now Jay, you know you want a pink one...no need to be shy here. You're among friends ;)

Lol! Did you have to tell everyone?

[ljirish]

Nice... I love it. And a balance of "power" will have shifted

[CrimsonTider]

Last I checked, plat rings are used for more than just endgame toons. I said it in another thread, I have just as many, if not more, rings as anyone else. This just allows me to keep from having to transfer rings when making new toons.

I think the community is at a point where "something" will always be wrong.

[Taaralatie]

I think the community is at a point where "something" will always be wrong.

I don't think we think there is "something" wrong. We are, on the whole, slow to adapt to new ideas and reluctant to change.

Personally, if I came across negatively, I didn't mean to. In this case, I do believe STS have gone a long way to please everyone. And, to be honest, what's a few platinum rings in the grand scale of things? I bet I have about 20 rings...its a drop in the ocean compared to my plat spend on other items ...OK, I meant elixirs!

[gyg555]

''Everyone started to look the same, as everyone was wearing their elite level cap vanities. There are thousands of awesome looking items in Pocket Legends and it was a shame that more didn't sport unique looks.''


''But with dragon items you have many more situations. You have those who have an armor, but no helm, or armor and helm but no pet, etc. So what happens to them?

Also, even with the huge price drops, dragon items are still the most expensive items in game, and many players (including me) have spent their entire fortunes on these sets. Now with these elite vanity rings, if you make it so I have to chose between a dragon ring or the elite ring, the stats for the elite would obviously be much higher so the dragon would become pretty useless for most end game players, and thus the sets would lose all their value.''

MAKE DRAGON SETS DISCONTINUED WITH NEW UPDATE TO GET RID OF ALL PROBLEMS.

[Riccits]

make a new slot for special trinkets. or instead rings make necklaces.. possibilities are endless...

[CrimsonTider]

I don't think we think there is "something" wrong. We are, on the whole, slow to adapt to new ideas and reluctant to change.

Personally, if I came across negatively, I didn't mean to. In this case, I do believe STS have gone a long way to please everyone. And, to be honest, what's a few platinum rings in the grand scale of things? I bet I have about 20 rings...its a drop in the ocean compared to my plat spend on other items ...OK, I meant elixirs!

Actually, was not targeted at you. My apologies for not clarifying. I am all for creative ideas/suggestions for potential issues. What gets to me is people who instantly comlain without one strand of thought being put into their post.

You, Ruby, and Jay have made the most sense regarding "change" in this entire thread.

[Brave Sir Robin]

I think the community is at a point where "something" will always be wrong.

As long as we keep it civil, it's OK to state that "something is wrong" if we feel so. After all, constructive criticism is the point of these forums :) However, as you have stated many times, lack of basic reading comprehension skills is an issue and has ruined many discussions.

Before they allow us to register for the forum, they give us a basic maths question. Maybe they should add a reading comprehension test, too.

[Jsaieagle]

Ok, I understand now what you're saying, but I cannot imagine how you could possibly accomplish this. With the elite vanities it is easy since they are not tradeable or sellable or even stashable, so you just convert them to rings and you are done. But with dragon items you have many more situations. You have those who have an armor, but no helm, or armor and helm but no pet, etc. So what happens to them?

Also, even with the huge price drops, dragon items are still the most expensive items in game, and many players (including me) have spent their entire fortunes on these sets. Now with these elite vanity rings, if you make it so I have to chose between a dragon ring or the elite ring, the stats for the elite would obviously be much higher so the dragon would become pretty useless for most end game players, and thus the sets would lose all their value.

The issues you mentioned in your opening post about newer players not being able to get the old vanities was indeed an issue. By changing to this new ring system, you have leveled the playing field for new players. With dragon sets, I don't see a need to change anything. Any player, new or old, can get a dragon set whether by farming or by saving up enough gold to buy it. These are the elite items that players work hard to get over a long period of time. Making it so end game players would not use them would ruin the PL economy.

I don't agree making dragon set bonus into another ring, everyone has the change to farm or buy dragon sets which the loot rate is high!
What's the problem stacking elite vanity bonus with dragon set bonus? Everyone gets the same chance! It's fair.

[Noodleleg]

There is no such thing as perfection, my friends ;)...

[Jsaieagle]

Btw, making the dragon set bonus into a ring could lead to a fatal effect to the dragon set prices! Coz you don't have to own the set, you can simply borrow the set from a friend and take the ring!

If the dragon set bonus becomes a ring, no one gonna buy or farm the dragon sets, you just need to borrow it for the quest and the dragon sets would become trash.

[CrimsonTider]

As long as we keep it civil, it's OK to state that "something is wrong" if we feel so. After all, constructive criticism is the point of these forums :) However, as you have stated many times, lack of basic reading comprehension skills is an issue and has ruined many discussions.

Before they allow us to register for the forum, they give us a basic maths question. Maybe they should add a reading comprehension test, too.

I completely agree, my friend. But I also think criticism should have depth to it as well as civility.

And don't get me started on reading comprehension.... uggh.

[Otahaibab]

wait sososo can we do the quest multiple tines cuz atm i got 2 elite fanities so if i do the quest now then when i get the sheild can i repeat?

[Walkhardd]

What's reeding comprehention

[CrimsonTider]

What's reeding comprehention

I r'z awt off thanekz

[chau]

Sigh..should of got the helm afterall. Lmao.

Well, at least I have the 86 cap to look forward to!

Sarcasm aside, I think its a good idea. I just wish I didn't find out 1 day before the new cap....... -___-


U already have 3 cap vaniites already? (cop, Shield, fang armor) thats enough to make ring, so u didnt miss anything

[Spectre]

So, dragon sets will turn into rings too?
Or will they stay the way like they are now? Just interesting.

[Noodleleg]

I r'z awt off thanekz

Aw Cweem... Ohnlee der thauoght cowntz :)!

[Walkhardd]

Sigh..should of got the helm afterall. Lmao.

Well, at least I have the 86 cap to look forward to!

Sarcasm aside, I think its a good idea. I just wish I didn't find out 1 day before the new cap....... -___-


U already have 3 cap vaniites already? (cop, Shield, fang armor) thats enough to make ring, so u didnt miss anything

I don't have cop :'(. I did grind the 100k for 76 last night tho.




What's reeding comprehention

I r'z awt off thanekz

Its ok. Thank me twice tomorrow.

[chau]

I have a few comments/questions, along with some pros vs cons that I see with this change.

As of right now anyone with the elite vanities can equip them for an "Elite Vanity Bonus" (+1 crit, +5 dodge, +55 HP, +15 Armor)

Also while gaining the this "Elite Vanity Bonus" that same character is capable of equipping a vanity ring of varying stats, one of my favorite rings on bear is "Fine steel ring of Technique" (+1% dodge,+2 H/S , +5 armor)
Side bar about the rings I have over 30 rings spread over my 16 toons and find that in PVP where one ring isnt that effective against specific builds another ring is. With the loss of this ring slot not only will we be losing stats but we will be more generic in builds at end game creating, IMO a bigger issue then looking the same!

So in reality, I am able to attain a bonus of (+1 crit, +6 dodge, +55 HP,+2 H/S, +20 Armor)

With this change occurring the only stat increase im seeing that is different from the "Elite Vanity Bonus" is the additional +3 to Str, Int, Dex. which in my opinion is COOL but doesn't seem to make up for the loss of the additional ring stats??

Questions:
1) Am I not adding this right?
2) Will we be given an additional ring slot so we are able to equip multiple rings?? (after all we do have more then one finger)
3) What will happen to all the rings we have spent "REAL MONEY" on?


PROS
-Wont all look alike
-Can wear what ever vanity we want
-ALL players now have a chance for ELITE VANITY BONUS!!

CONS
-Will lose stats
-Wasted money on rings that cannot be used on these toons any longer
-Character builds will become more generic at end game then they already are

This is meant to be constructive, Please do not flame or bring down what I am saying. If you have any thoughts or comments about this PLEASE feel free to share!


But then u can recover the loss of plat ring by a dragon set. Things are going around the circle

[TANKKAAR]

But then u can recover the loss of plat ring by a dragon set. Things are going around the circle

And then everyone looks the same which is what they "said" they are trying to avoid....


All they have to do is make it so dragon isn't stack-able with ring of glory... Nuff said!

That's how it is already! Nobody loses, nobody gets OP .... DONE!

Glad i could help, next topic!

[Jsaieagle]

So, dragon sets will turn into rings too?
Or will they stay the way like they are now? Just interesting.


Dragon sets will stay the way they are but devs are thinking to make them rings.

[TANKKAAR]

Dragon sets will stay the way they are but devs are thinking to make them rings.


That is false...

Dragon sets will stay the way they are but devs are thinking to changing them in the future.

nothing else has been said

[chau]

And then everyone looks the same which is what they "said" they are trying to avoid....


All they have to do is make it so dragon isn't stack-able with ring of glory... Nuff said!

That's how it is already! Nobody loses, nobody gets OP .... DONE!

Glad i could help, next topic!

I guess ur not owning a dragon set now?

[Zamu]

Personally i see this whole 'Elite to Rings' as a bad move. Not only are rings not seeable, they're only supposed to be a very small extra, but making something as big as Elite Cap Bonus as rings is basically dumbing them down.

Also, why is it good that EVERYONE can get the bonus now? How is that fair to the veterans who grinded 100k WITHOUT elixirs? In harder dungeons as well. Elite cap were ELITE for a reason, dont destroy that reason. You need to remember that the community isnt just Elixir crazed people who cap in a matter of days and hates playing with people who cant afford or doesnt want to use thrasher 24/7.

As much as i hate to say it, STS are falling victim to what ruins every game in this genre: Making it too easy...

[TANKKAAR]

I guess ur not owning a dragon set now?

Your assumption would be correct :) however....either way, You cannot stack these bonuses as of now nor should you EVER be able to. TBH that goes against the exact thing that was stated by devs in regards to this update "to give a level playing feild to new players"



it is important to keep a somewhat level playing field so that newcomers don't feel they can't ever possibly compete.

[Bous]

I think dragon armor and helm could be fused into the dragon pet and whenever you want to sell a peice you can just unfuse the dragon. Stats can be in the dragon..And you can wear the dragon too if you want. Since there trying to get people to look different i think this would work. Anyone see what im sayin?

[bglir]

Just to be clear, you do not lose your vanity items. You'll still have them after you do the quest and obtain your ring.

Thanks alot Samhayne, hate to see if we lose the old vanity items, i really love the old vanity sets even without the stats bonus, thanks again.

[kiitz]

You should be more afraid of the Dragon vanities being stacked with ring of glory...... bad news for endgamers that dont own dragon set

The difference is that everyone can get the dragon vanities, at any point if they decide to grind for them and spend plat on the dragon pet. No one would have complained about elite cap vanity bonus if they were still able to acquire them (even if it was extremely difficult to get).

[Mage till the end]

Touchy subject I see

[TANKKAAR]

The difference is that everyone can get the dragon vanities, at any point if they decide to grind for them and spend plat on the dragon pet. No one would have complained about elite cap vanity bonus if they were still able to acquire them (even if it was extremely difficult to get).

The thing is, if everyone is grinding and wearing dragon armor IT AGAIN defeats to point of this change, because everyone will still LOOK THE SAME! :) I hope you understand now, if you need me to explain anything else please just make another uninformed comment and I will do my best to get back to you.

[slaveleia]

I know this is page 12 of this thread and all but what about the Volcanut vanity I still desire? :-)

[Chickenrunnn]

I hope the same will be done with Dragon sets to avoid Vanity bonus stacking, which would really be unfair, in PvP as in CtF :)

Another question.. Will new rings come out for with LvL70 minimum? Because LvL20 rings are now old :)

[kiitz]

The thing is, if everyone is grinding and wearing dragon armor IT AGAIN defeats to point of this change, because everyone will still LOOK THE SAME! :) I hope you understand now, if you need me to explain anything else please just make another uninformed comment and I will do my best to get back to you.


Lol. First off, people were complaining not about "all looking the same" but because of the lack of a level playing field since the old bonuses are not available to newer players. The playing field is level if everyone has a shot at it - which is the case for dragon vanities.

I have the 3 piece bonus from 56, 61 and 66, so this is not a case of sour grapes. I am instead making an argument based on logic and fairness for everyone. Further, there are multiple colors of dragon vanities so again there is variety - though that is NOT AT ALL what this discussion is about.

Stick to one point. You don't have a strong argument, which is why you are pivoting from "level playing field" to "everyone will look the same".

Let's just be honest, you are just upset because you don't have a dragon set (yet) and so this is a nerf for you. Boo-Hoo.

[Spectre]

Another question.. Will new rings come out for with LvL70 minimum? Because LvL20 rings are now old :)

Level of ring doesn't matter since its not tradable/stashable.

[TANKKAAR]

Lol. First off, people were complaining not about "all looking the same" wrong again, this has been just as much a complaint as any stats. What game have you been playing?but because of the lack of a level playing field since the old bonuses are not available to newer players. The playing field is level if everyone has a shot at it - which is the case for dragon vanities.

I have the 3 piece bonus from 56, 61 and 66, so this is not a case of sour grapes. Never said it was so stop assuming ;) I am instead making an argument based on logic and fairness for everyone. If you were truely making and argument based on logic and fainess then you would see that these vanities werent stackable for a reason before, nor should they be now as this is far from "LEVEL PLAYING FEILDS" Further, there are multiple colors of dragon vanities so again there is variety Multiple colors or not everyone would still be wearing dragon, NO?- though that is NOT AT ALL what this discussion is about.Im not the first or the only person that has brought up this FACT so even if the discussion was not started here it has been here for a while, try to catch up.

Stick to one point. You don't have a strong argument, which is why you are pivoting from "level playing field" to "everyone will look the same". Both points are very valid so it remains my prerogative to mention both

Let's just be honest, you are just upset because you don't have a dragon set (yet) and so this is a nerf for you. Boo-Hoo. more honest then that, even if I did have a dragon set I honestly dont feel these "BONUSES" should be capable of being stacked. Especially when you consider the fact that they have remover the ability to use play rings in conjunction with the new "ring of glory".

Didnt want to miss anything so you will notice my rebuttals are in red :)

[Chickenrunnn]

Level of ring doesn't matter since its not tradable/stashable.

LvL70 to avoid lower pvp players using it, and ruining all strategies once again :o

[TANKKAAR]

LvL70 to avoid lower pvp players using it, and ruining all strategies once again :o

What part of not stash-able or trad-able did flacs not explain properly?

[Rare]

PHEW!! So much tension in this thread

[kiitz]

Didnt want to miss anything so you will notice my rebuttals are in red :)

Wrong. The complaint was about stats and not looking all the same. No need to bring in these snarky remarks like "what game have you been playing?"
Originally, people weren't even asking to get the COP as well. They were just looking to have the level 71 helm give a bonus with the armor and or old shield so that they could also have the same stats as someone who started during balefort sewers.

A majority of people are trying to maximize their stats as much as possible. If people were not so keen on maximizing stats, dragon sets would not have inflated so much. The difference between crafted gear and uncrafted gear isn't THAT huge, but people are willing to grind their hearts out and pay millions of gold just for those few extra crit/hit/int/dex/whatever.

If STS put out a helm that looked like dog poo, but gave it amazing stats, a LOT of people would wear them. Maybe not in town, but definitely for PvP and many would also for PvE.

Further, everyone who can wears the top crafted gear for their class anyway and looks the same. AGAIN, this is NOT about looking the same.

There is nothing wrong with them being capable of being stacked, when everyone has access to it. They could very well include an "ear ring" slot and add stats to that as well. As long as the content is balanced with the overall power of the characters based on the gear available and everyone has access to all the gear, it is fine.

I think we can basically agree to disagree. I don't have much more to say anyway. I personally believe the entire elite vanities discussion was a case of the "haves" wanting to keep their advantage and the "have nots" wanting a balanced playing field. STS has decided to level the playing field, which I personally supported.

I believe you are now arguing to get rid of dragon vanity stats because you don't have it. If you had a set, I personally do not think you would be pushing it. You can argue against it, but I don't think you'd want to see your multi-million dollar investment turn virtually worthless. Now, you are pulling out various arguments like:
1. Everyone will look the same
2. They can't stack with rings... so they shouldn't stack with anything else...

In order to try to make it so you don't have to worry about trying to get a dragon set to be maximized for PvP. I don't believe those arguments are valid. You do. We can just agree to disagree, so I can get back to work and stop checking this thread :)

Now dragon sets are dropping like crazy for re-roll, so they will be quite abundant. Again, this means its going to be a level playing field, because those who want the sets have a reasonable way of getting them.


One more point-- I think if STS gets rid of dragon stats without some kind of "pivot" people will go nuts. I think people mentioned having dragon turn into a different type of ring as well with the dragon bonus stats, which would be quite reasonable. The end result of that would be that, dragons and elite bonus can't stack, however everyone gets a shot at getting the elite bonus, which is what people wanted in the first place. I think that would be fair to all.

[Yich]

This was a player suggestion, wasn't it?

[ninjaduck]

Great stuff :)