Frost-Touched Mythic Weapon - Need to add more Proc

Are there issues with the proc itself when it goes off? Or does the proc feel pretty good and just not frequent enough?

Better have the proc Icy Whirlwind moves like Tornado moves in every four corners instead of just being stagnant

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Originally Posted by Remiem

We'll be looking at the proc next week and considering buffing it for next week's update. Keep an eye out for my stickied weekly update in General Discussion for more on that at the beginning of next week. :)

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Great how about fixing breeze first like u guys said and fixing other bugs
Rather than rushing and fixing a "proc"on some of these weapons?lol

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Originally Posted by Carapace

Frost Touched Bow:
The proc rate on this is actually lower than the Elondrian Bow, but not by much. The charged proc is also a little lower. This is probably a good candidate to have its proc rate improved to help make it feel more frequent.

Are there issues with the proc itself when it goes off? Or does the proc feel pretty good and just not frequent enough?

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The main complaint with pushing proc is not helpful in any occassion as everywhere in PvE we're trying to get the mobs packed for control and maximum efficiency from AoE skills (in PvP it's unnoticeable anyway but so is the Elondrian counterpart's one). Consider swapping the pushing with a pulling effect and/or an icy explosion when the proc ends that freezes surrounding targets in a small range.

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Originally Posted by Carapace

Frost Touched Rifle
The proc data-wise looks like its currently working as designed, however there may be a misunderstanding about how it works. The current implementation applies a stacking effect with every shot, charged or not. The first hit applies a 20% reduction in movement, then 40%, 60%, 80%, then freezes on the 5th one. The applied slow effects drop off after about 4 seconds, so on a single target should stack up appropriately with a constant rate of fire. This also does not apply to Bosses, much like other freezes and stuns don't for the most part. If we wanted to revisit the idea of allowing some form of CC on bosses that might be an idea to play with.

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This is actually a great idea! Enabling the frozen proc to be able to freeze any boss on a few stacked hits would give this weapon a much higher value in PvE. Three hits for the freeze to kick in are few; five hits are reasonable as is - if it has to go down, minimum four. The random AoE seems needless with Frost Bolt skill around already.

considering that the effects are gone after 4 seconds 3 shots would give close to a 1.5 second freeze so i think 3 should be fine @king

That 33%,66%,100% freeze would be awesome but could u add some armor for the frost gun pls? Its not really good in comparison with the elon gun.
(At the moment)

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Originally Posted by xclyklcx

That 33%,66%,100% freeze would be awesome but could u add some armor for the frost gun pls? Its not really good in comparison with the elon gun.
(At the moment)

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I think it would be good as it is with cara's adjustments, armor should be unique to elon gun.

Lol frost rifle proc doesn't even work. Garbage, thanks STS.

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Originally Posted by Burstnuke

I think it would be good as it is with cara's adjustments, armor should be unique to elon gun.

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I mean like a little armor boost as stats not as proc

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Originally Posted by Carapace

Hey guys,

I'm taking a peak under the hood on these and here's what I've found.

Frost Touched Bow:
The proc rate on this is actually lower than the Elondrian Bow, but not by much. The charged proc is also a little lower. This is probably a good candidate to have its proc rate improved to help make it feel more frequent.

Are there issues with the proc itself when it goes off? Or does the proc feel pretty good and just not frequent enough?

Frost Touched Rifle
The proc data-wise looks like its currently working as designed, however there may be a misunderstanding about how it works. The current implementation applies a stacking effect with every shot, charged or not. The first hit applies a 20% reduction in movement, then 40%, 60%, 80%, then freezes on the 5th one. The applied slow effects drop off after about 4 seconds, so on a single target should stack up appropriately with a constant rate of fire. This also does not apply to Bosses, much like other freezes and stuns don't for the most part. If we wanted to revisit the idea of allowing some form of CC on bosses that might be an idea to play with.

There are a couple things we could do to this one to make it feel more appropriate. I'm thinking that maybe instead of a 20/40/60/80/100, it's 33/66/100 and completes the cycle in three shots. In PvP this would also then be susceptible to stun immunities as the frequency of freeze would be quite high. Adding the ability to apply an AoE version on a charged shot, and randomly on a non-charged shot might also be fun to play with.

Interested in thoughts and feedback, thanks guys!

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Frost Touched Bow:
Yes, Bow need proc rate improved to help make it feel more frequent.

Frost Touched Rifle
- Elondrian Gun got Root and Armor Boost, useful for pvp and pve. So Frost Touched Gun, should slow and freeze the target and the nearest (up to 5 mob maybe). Slow 40%, 60%, 80%, then freezes on the 4th ( last one), applied to bosses too.
- Directly add armor to our stats (+50 armor maybe)
- Increased the proc rate.

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Originally Posted by NorthernEcho

Lol frost rifle proc doesn't even work. Garbage, thanks STS.

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Yes it does lol, and if the slow movement speed was this fast, it would do good work. It shouldnt get the procs of elon gun. Besides, most of the people here asking for a buff on frost gun is trying to sell one after Buff for more cash, is that not true?

frost bulwark proc is still not enough..it may proc high but whats it proc is only reduce armor and damage enemy for about 2 to 3 seconds but elon proc is heal,curse,armor and 20 primary status and heals allies too..think frost proc is still not good compared to elon

Hi Carapace :) Im glad you're taking a look at them, about the frost bow proc: The proc lasts 3-4 seconds and seems to damage the mobs every second but the problem is that the proc pushes the mobs out of the ice pool as soon as it is created and therefore the mobs only receive 1/4 of the damage per second from the proc.This i think is the main reason why damage is insignificant., the onlly change i could think of is to change the TOTAL damage per second into a BURST doing the same damage as the proc is intended to do in 4 seconds...

Of course I am open to other suggestions to change the proc but currently the damage proc is a bit weird and not significant in pve(Elite mobs have alot more health and ?armor? then warriors , sorcerers and rogues in pvp which is why you could balance the damage for pvp only and/or for pve only)

example: Increase the damage of the proc for pve to make it useful/significant But then it might be very op in pvp so you might want to not increase the damage that much ONLY for pvp??? keeping it balanced you know...)


ALSO: You have to keep in mind that the elon bow can heal ALL team mates AND damage nearby mobs...(I do not know how much it heals or damages but you know right? :p)

I've been having this problem where I cant run around and hit enemies like the other guns (unless I charge up the gun) so i guess fix that issue with the frost gun.

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Originally Posted by Cranky

Great how about fixing breeze first like u guys said and fixing other bugs
Rather than rushing and fixing a "proc"on some of these weapons?lol

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You're in the wrong thread, changes are coming.

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/show...ighlight=nekro

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Originally Posted by Carapace

Frost Touched Bow:
The proc rate on this is actually lower than the Elondrian Bow, but not by much. The charged proc is also a little lower. This is probably a good candidate to have its proc rate improved to help make it feel more frequent.

Are there issues with the proc itself when it goes off? Or does the proc feel pretty good and just not frequent enough?

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One thing. Proc is actually a problem vs some bosses as it pushes/moves them along with their red zones. And this causes unnecessary deaths. Thanks.

It's prob not the best bow for pve but if proc was as common as elon bow proc, it's actually VERY useful in PVP imo. I've only had it happen to me a few times obv but pushing a tank out of the way to snipe rogue or mage behind in PVP is awesome. Up the proc rate. I wouldn't care if there was no damage in PVP from the proc, the pushing imo is the best part for pvp purposes.

Having used the bow extensively, the proc rate increase would be great only if it doesn't push! As an Elite runner, I had to sell it as I'm not a fan of pushing as it ruins the aggro a tank builds. I would much rather see a freeze/stun/slow, or damage or a pull. Anything but flinging people away. If the push proc must stay I rather it be controllable by completely removing it as a passive and only have it activate on charged attacks.

The random flinging is why we don't use vixen on elite mobs! Right now it's like Russian Roulette!

One thing is for sure, this is the prettiest bow to date! Thank you STS for making it so long and pretty! I just bought one back hoping that the buff will be good for elites again.

Here is my opinion about new mythic frost bow weapon:) as a rogue char

I imagine new mythic bow proc something like a cold cyrcle like elon bow
near the boss or mobs that it hits, that freeze commits drop from sky damaging mobs or boss and with chance to freeze for some seconds or armor reduction or something from aoe skills.

and boost char with extra damag or crit or both.

The way that frost bow designed now it is not helping us nowhere
Is only a very good looking bow

and i am thinking new cap will come why you dont design THE NEW Mythic WEAPONS for the new mobs,maps,bosses comming?????

Making a new staff that not work well, not helping us for better gaming than the old ones is worthless to exist..

this is only my opinion ..:)
thanks for read.:)

Don't like the frost bow pushing enemies, would be better if the whirlwind pulled enemies in for length of proc

Agree with above two, the pushing is so dangerous, it's scary to think what would happen if it gets buffed more! People would rage and not want to run with mythic Frost bow users for fear they get scammed into red zones and anks wasted!

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Originally Posted by Carapace

Hey guys,

I'm taking a peak under the hood on these and here's what I've found.

Frost Touched Bulwark:
The proc rate for this weapon is actually pretty high. The default attack has a higher proc rate then the Elondrian Bulwark, and in my opinion doesn't need to be changed from what I can see and how it feels when playing with it.

Frost Touched Bow:
The proc rate on this is actually lower than the Elondrian Bow, but not by much. The charged proc is also a little lower. This is probably a good candidate to have its proc rate improved to help make it feel more frequent.

Are there issues with the proc itself when it goes off? Or does the proc feel pretty good and just not frequent enough?

Frost Touched Rifle
The proc data-wise looks like its currently working as designed, however there may be a misunderstanding about how it works. The current implementation applies a stacking effect with every shot, charged or not. The first hit applies a 20% reduction in movement, then 40%, 60%, 80%, then freezes on the 5th one. The applied slow effects drop off after about 4 seconds, so on a single target should stack up appropriately with a constant rate of fire. This also does not apply to Bosses, much like other freezes and stuns don't for the most part. If we wanted to revisit the idea of allowing some form of CC on bosses that might be an idea to play with.

There are a couple things we could do to this one to make it feel more appropriate. I'm thinking that maybe instead of a 20/40/60/80/100, it's 33/66/100 and completes the cycle in three shots. In PvP this would also then be susceptible to stun immunities as the frequency of freeze would be quite high. Adding the ability to apply an AoE version on a charged shot, and randomly on a non-charged shot might also be fun to play with.

Interested in thoughts and feedback, thanks guys!

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I used both elond and frost gun and feel elond gun much much better than frost gun. Sometime I need to turn my back to shoot mob behind me. With better DPS and INT frost gun should have better performance.

Lack of proc,when using elond gun i got proc root (reduce def 25% and 100% dodge of enemy) and add armor which is can stack 5 times. Then I switch to frost gun I just got proc slow down enemy till eventually freeze,isn't mage already have skill to do that? Compare with elond gun proc this gun seem like out date weapon,even lost soul scythe have much better proc than frost gun.

Last is while elond gun proc root have effect on boss,frost gun proc didn't do. Make thing more worse for this gun.

So far for me this gun look like mythic rarity but with legendary proc and performance. Add some other proc like razor shield with ice/frost effect and change slow down proc with chance to proc ice path maybe..hahaha.. just my wish. I really wish u guys doin some thing with this gun.

Thx and sorry for my bad english.

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Originally Posted by jiph

The new mythics weapons are fine like they are they proc regularly I tested it just keep pushing buttons

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Originally Posted by Caabatric

Do you by any chance own an elo weapon and frost wepon of the same class and figure out the proc rate with over 200 tests. Trust me they are way different.

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Much much much diferent...

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Originally Posted by Remiem

Hey guys. So, the gist is that the proc just needs to happen more often, right? Want to make sure I have that correct before going back to the devs with it.

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Remi not just proc happen but lack of proc

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Originally Posted by Madnex

The main complaint with pushing proc is not helpful in any occassion as everywhere in PvE we're trying to get the mobs packed for control and maximum efficiency from AoE skills (in PvP it's unnoticeable anyway but so is the Elondrian counterpart's one). Consider swapping the pushing with a pulling effect and/or an icy explosion when the proc ends that freezes surrounding targets in a small range.

This is actually a great idea! Enabling the frozen proc to be able to freeze any boss on a few stacked hits would give this weapon a much higher value in PvE. Three hits for the freeze to kick in are few; five hits are reasonable as is - if it has to go down, minimum four. The random AoE seems needless with Frost Bolt skill around already.

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Five hits and freeze boss? That means freeze every less than 5s? Bosses will have only normal attack then, because they will not be able to cast red zones. Its really bad idea

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Originally Posted by Jirikjurasek

Five hits and freeze boss? That means freeze every less than 5s? Bosses will have only normal attack then, because they will not be able to cast red zones. Its really bad idea

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Momentary freeze, not four seconds. Mostly to disrupt red zone windups. And there could be some sort of immunity although I don't see to what aspect it'd differ from alternating Kelvin, result-wise.

Frost bulwark need to buff too, old weapon elon bulwark are way better much than frost. Normal cast got poison 100%. What did frost bulwark got?nothing. Elon got heal, curse, armor, stat buff. Atleast make frost bulwark about the same quality as elon. Don't just simply design a cool look and put low stat. We spend lot of money to open something useless than old

I think the frost bow and frost gun changes are probably going to be along the lines of what we're discussing here. I'll remove the push ability for the Ice Whirlwind spawned off of Frost Touched Bow, increase its damage a bit and allow up to two of the wells to be concurrently up at the same time. The proc rate will also come up.

The Frost Touched Rifle will likely see a reduction in the number of consecutive strikes to do a freeze in PvE, however it should be noted that every weapon is not supposed to be a +1 version of a similar weapon. Interesting weapons provide choices, and while the armor benefit of the Elondrian Rifle is nice, applying it to every gun that comes out in the future in increasing amounts is not beneficial to the variety in the game. Ideally the proc and usage of the rifles should make them interesting and relevant in their own ways. Currently the Frost Rifle is not performing up the the task and the coming changes will hopefully address that.

In regards to the Frost Touched Bulwark, it was intentionally designed to be more of an offensive tanking weapon than the Elondrian Bulwark. It may need a few more bumps in the offensive abilities department to stand out as such, but it is certainly not an apples to apples comparison to the Elondrian Bulwark which is a more defensive/support item. The design for this one actually came from instances where when we made a sword and board mythic item in the past there is a portion of the community that would like to see the tank weapon be a bit more useful in combat, and this item was made with that in mind. Different procs and abilities means different choices, so if you're looking for a full on tank item Elondrian Bulwark may be the item you're after in this case.

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Originally Posted by Carapace

I think the frost bow and frost gun changes are probably going to be along the lines of what we're discussing here. I'll remove the push ability for the Ice Whirlwind spawned off of Frost Touched Bow, increase its damage a bit and allow up to two of the wells to be concurrently up at the same time. The proc rate will also come up.

The Frost Touched Rifle will likely see a reduction in the number of consecutive strikes to do a freeze in PvE, however it should be noted that every weapon is not supposed to be a +1 version of a similar weapon. Interesting weapons provide choices, and while the armor benefit of the Elondrian Rifle is nice, applying it to every gun that comes out in the future in increasing amounts is not beneficial to the variety in the game. Ideally the proc and usage of the rifles should make them interesting and relevant in their own ways. Currently the Frost Rifle is not performing up the the task and the coming changes will hopefully address that.

In regards to the Frost Touched Bulwark, it was intentionally designed to be more of an offensive tanking weapon than the Elondrian Bulwark. It may need a few more bumps in the offensive abilities department to stand out as such, but it is certainly not an apples to apples comparison to the Elondrian Bulwark which is a more defensive/support item. The design for this one actually came from instances where when we made a sword and board mythic item in the past there is a portion of the community that would like to see the tank weapon be a bit more useful in combat, and this item was made with that in mind. Different procs and abilities means different choices, so if you're looking for a full on tank item Elondrian Bulwark may be the item you're after in this case.

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Thank you Carapace! Removing the bow's push will make the bow less annoying on elite mobs! Increased proc rate will bring this weapon in line with the elondrain proc, and the increased damage is a nice trade off for super healing :)

By the way, this is the prettiest bow in the game to date!! Love the color and the size!!

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Originally Posted by Carapace

I think the frost bow and frost gun changes are probably going to be along the lines of what we're discussing here. I'll remove the push ability for the Ice Whirlwind spawned off of Frost Touched Bow, increase its damage a bit and allow up to two of the wells to be concurrently up at the same time. The proc rate will also come up.

The Frost Touched Rifle will likely see a reduction in the number of consecutive strikes to do a freeze in PvE, however it should be noted that every weapon is not supposed to be a +1 version of a similar weapon. Interesting weapons provide choices, and while the armor benefit of the Elondrian Rifle is nice, applying it to every gun that comes out in the future in increasing amounts is not beneficial to the variety in the game. Ideally the proc and usage of the rifles should make them interesting and relevant in their own ways. Currently the Frost Rifle is not performing up the the task and the coming changes will hopefully address that.

In regards to the Frost Touched Bulwark, it was intentionally designed to be more of an offensive tanking weapon than the Elondrian Bulwark. It may need a few more bumps in the offensive abilities department to stand out as such, but it is certainly not an apples to apples comparison to the Elondrian Bulwark which is a more defensive/support item. The design for this one actually came from instances where when we made a sword and board mythic item in the past there is a portion of the community that would like to see the tank weapon be a bit more useful in combat, and this item was made with that in mind. Different procs and abilities means different choices, so if you're looking for a full on tank item Elondrian Bulwark may be the item you're after in this case.

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Thx...no need to be same proc like the other mythic weapon...but at least give same amount of proc and perfomance. Can't wait for next news from u guys :D

Why not make it more interesting by making the frost bow shot 3 arrow on charged...
single shot auto: 1 arrow xx dmg
single shot charged : 3 arrow xx dmg per arrow (no multiply)

frost bow is not wind bow lol.. so u better add freeze/icy/slow process. make sense.

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Originally Posted by Kakashis

Thank you Carapace! Removing the bow's push will make the bow less annoying on elite mobs! Increased proc rate will bring this weapon in line with the elondrain proc, and the increased damage is a nice trade off for super healing :)

By the way, this is the prettiest bow in the game to date!! Love the color and the size!!

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I like the looks of the 31 mythc bow more frost bow is second :D

So, we shouldnt expect any changes on Frost-Bulwark?

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Originally Posted by nevercan

I like the looks of the 31 mythc bow more frost bow is second :D

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I guess we can both agree elondrian bow is the least aesthetic!

I plan to make some smaller adjustments to the Bulwark. I'm thinking a minor bump in proc rate and an additional self armoring component on proc that provides some more survivability.

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Originally Posted by Carapace

I plan to make some smaller adjustments to the Bulwark. I'm thinking a minor bump in proc rate and an additional self armoring component on proc that provides some more survivability.

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Love this idea... But Cara isn't u said frost touch bulwark is more attacking type tank weapon than elond bulwark?

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Originally Posted by Carapace

I plan to make some smaller adjustments to the Bulwark. I'm thinking a minor bump in proc rate and an additional self armoring component on proc that provides some more survivability.

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Ty!

The reduce armor of frost bulwark is nothing lol.... Only got ice strike pls make it more offensive

Yeah, better increase the amount of armor reduced than giving us some more armor, that would be perfect!

That sounds reasonable