Thanks a bunch Elly!
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Thanks a bunch Elly!
Love dexbears since I am one, thanks fir the tip about not going full dex, I used to be :)
Also max dps weapon for dexbear is snipers scissor slicers :) (dual wield)
There are some bears out there who swear by DPS. There's this bear that I sometimes meet. His config when he fights bosses? Raid roach helm, raid roach leather, and sentinel slicers. He said he wouldn't even craft his raid roach stuff and rather eat more potions then suffer the DPS loss.
Not too familiar with the dual weapons/daggers, since I avoid them entirely. I did remember seeing one bear with 406 DPS unbuffed though, idk what weapon he was wearing.
Get full henchman and buff with rage maxed out. In any event, all 50+ bears should have 6 rage.
Henchman dagger set I think gives the highest. Here is Mysticaldream's bird with a high DPS dagger set. For best results, I've been told that crushing blow needs to be maxed. Hopefully if you are in a good team, the birds are spamming break armor. Probably use this as well:
Magician's Fine Platinum Band Lv20, 67 Dex; 2% Hit, 10 Damage
Not too sure - just passing along second hand knowledge here. Either way, for the DPS to be truly effective, the target needs to be armor debuffed aggressively. Otherwise, just switch to strength and get out the Gurgox Hammer.
One final variable to consider is the skill damage. I will need to get some daggers to test
If it turns out that the daggers add a lot of skill damage, then the answer isn't so clear once again. Super mega and vengeful spam could add up, even if the effective weapons damage is less.
I should also mention this to anyone who reads this thread (Ellyidol undoubtedly realizes this): If you do choose daggers against boss, you will be melee just like with strength weapons and will be accepting a significant loss in survivability. Dex gear doesn't offer the same level of protection as strength gear and dual daggers is particularly vulnerable, which is why birds largely reject it. IF you are using daggers, it means that you are a dex bear or a dual-spec and not as tanky as your strength bear counterparts are as well to begin with. All bears are expected to tank (it's just like how all mages are expected to heal and res - it doesn't matter if you're with an int, str, pally, or dex mage, you expect them to heal regularly and to res you if you die), and against a boss, you will be expected to get in front of the boss and hold the aggro, regardless of whether you are a str bear or a dex bear. Whether you wish to accept a loss in survivability when doing so is entirely your decision, but bear in mind the risks that you are taking when using daggers.
Thanks Elly for another great guide!
Damn! Now everyone knows what I do all day! ;-)Quote:
Ah. So it's more like -lead group>beckon mobs to corner>step behind mob>stomp>unleash all slashes>snipe stragglers while running to next mob
I think you can't really tell a big difference between dual bear and full str bear when wearing the same gear. Tanking works pretty much the same. But when in doubt, watch Ellyidols video, then there should be no questions about tanking abilities left.Quote:
Basically, I want to dual spec since it seems fun, but i don't want to hurt my tanking ability.
@Skill Damage
True, I haven't tested it yet. I'll have to check how it actually fairs when it comes to skill damage, but my gut answer would be it'd be really low. Just guessing though, will confirm :)
@Wallace
I doubt anything here is new to you, you're one of the most experienced Bow Bears I've come across. :)
But in regard to the dual spec and tanking issue, I agree, I don't see much of a difference between pure str tanking and dual spec tanking, especially since you are using the same gear which most of your tankiness comes from.
The benefit you gain from adding dex instead of strength outweighs the benefit of going pure str.
Alright I did some testing on my bear using a Full Henchman Dagger+Wing and a 1 Crit 11 Damage Ring.
As for skill damage, it was actually higher than my usual str setup, and a bit short from my mob clearing dex setup (Dex Crown, Bagman Autobow, SK Leather, 1 Dodge 9 Armour Ring). It (the dagger set) only lost about 10-15 skill damage vs my mob clearing dex setup, and thats a Dagger vs a 2H Autobow. But when I use my boss-killing setup (RR Cap, Bagman's Recurve, Bagman's Leather, 1 Crit 11 Damage Ring), I could notice a bigger difference in skill damage.
However, I noticed that the high skill damage came from the Henchman bonuses more than the dagger itself. When I tried to mix and match between armour pieces, replaced Henchman pieces with Dex Crown, Bagmans Dagger, Bagmans Leather, and Gutter Wing (wanted high crits), that's when I saw my skills drop by about 50 skill damage. That is also when I realised that the damage bonus of armours (+12 each piece from Henchman) contributed directly to skill damage, which would explain the 50 damage drop when I unequipped the Henchman Set (-48 direct damage).
I was focusing on highest damage though, which doesn't necessarily mean it has the best damage, since crit would be a better option.
These were my stats as Full Dex, Henchman Dagger+Wing Set, 1 Crit 11 Damage Ring :
Unbuffed :
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Level 6 Rage On :
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ohhh yes Elly lol.
Wally is like the one of the quickest bear I got to group with on my mage recently, I was just going to mention to Elly / Wally that wow. I want to put you 2 into a competition and record a video behind you guys lol.
Never seen/met a bear with Full RR Talon/shield and boy is Mr.Wallace fast, I always call him the speedy bear hehe
I am inspired by this thread and since now it's time for my bear, I am going to raise a speedy/tanky/bowy/roundy/daggy bear, be sure on the lookout for Mitsuistar~~
Another awesome guide. After reading this I'm going with a dex/str bear. Sounds like having the option to tank or go for damage is the way to go with my new bear. Thanx again for this guide.
Nah, my suggestions and opinions are only as important as the rest of the community. Which reminds me, I added this section :
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Useful Links
Meet Mr.Wallace - Mr.Wallace is one of the best Bow Bears in game, he's showcased his character here on what he uses, stats, and skills - so have I.
Elly u should show all ur stats too ...
Ugh.. Remembers me about I need to re spec my Skills on my Dual spec bear -.-'
I don't wanna look through all the pages ... lol ^^
U could make a new thread saying: Ellyidol's Stats or something and make a link to it from this AWESOME guide!!!
Kk ^^ I just think something else ^^
I still need to re-spec my skills on 2 chars :-(
So I decided to respect today to dual bear and just wanted to make some pointers out. Thank you to Elly and anyone else who contributed- everything was fairly straightforward. Some things to note though-
I was under the impression that you can only use gear in loadouts that fell underneath the minimum equipment str/dex requirement of 139- that the loadout system will simply cross reference to see if your current stats matches requirements of gear and then add up the boosts. I'm not entirely sure this was the case and instead calculates it algorithmically by initially making sure that at least one least equipment piece has the sufficient stats required to be equipped to character before loadout. Then it updates the character's stats and looks again at next equipment that can be equipped based on new stats and does so until everything is loaded.
The reason I mention this is because I did not realize that there are a lot of different Horus items that have a minimum str of 142 and not 138. I had a spare Mynas helm, and got lucky with an off level D'jinn spear of Horus (135 str req at level 43 vs. nrml of 141). Had a shield but no horus equipment I could put on so I went ahead with a Whipcord Leather of Celerity (158 dex min with 8 dex boost) And it worked as a saved loadout. So you can find use also use any dex gear if you cannot find a Horus/Osiris set, as long as you have the stats. Plus it saves you money.
Second thing I wanted to mention is how big of a difference it is to play as a bow bear and I mean that in a fun way- especially in PVP. It takes a few battles to get used to not rushing up to someone and instead learning to keep your distance just right. It's an art to find the exact distance you need to be in, so they close enough within the range of your bow, but not too close to their debuff range. I've found that when I'm fully buffed, I can take out someone very quickly with a beckon and stomp only, and still continue to do damage even if you're frozen in place.
Anyhow I'm glad I switched. Adjusting to a new style of play is going to be interesting. Lastly, I couldn't really seem to find much info about bow bears for pvp in terms of the 55 sets, but I think it'd be a nice touch to get a brief rundown on what weapons to anticipate using in pvp, pve, etc..
Sorry for the long message!
Yeah, loadouts can get tricky especially if you're new to them. I tried to explain it best in my original Dual Spec Guide (Basics), you can get through in my sig, it's called the "Loadout Assumption". I practically use it in any kind of gear I want to equip using loadouts, and it works every time.
As for the gear, I've been trying to work on a 55 Gear Setup List Guide for about 2 weeks now, but very slowly, unfortunately. School's just peaking up, parents in town, and have just been busy all around too, albeit not always important :p
I'll try to get it done asap, but at the rate I'm going, 61 cap will be out before I finish. :(
I'm glad to hear you switched! While I can't comment on PvP, I have buckets of fun tanking as a bow bear.
For what it's worth, my STR loadout consists of:
Mynas Helmet of Osiris (Lvl 45, 138 Str) +8 Str
D'Jinn Spear of Osiris (Lvl 45, 141 Str) +8 Str
Mynas Plate Maile of Osiris (Lvl 45, 142 Str) +8 Str
Scarab Buckler of Osiris (Lvl 45, 142 Str) +8 Str
DEX loadout:
Scorpion Helm of Horus (Lvl 45, 138 Dex) +8 Dex
Sniper's Demon Dagger (Lvl 35, 112 Dex) +7 Dex
Scorpion Leather of Horus (Lvl 45, 142 Dex) +8 Dex
Force Wing of the Void (Lvl 50, 155 Dex) +11 Dex
There are flaws with my loadouts (Force Wing requiring 155 Dex) but at Level 55, I had no troubles running with this setup.
[Oh wow...I'm about to be booted for the Sandstone Cave update... See you all on the other side!]
No flaws in those loadouts neko :p
Personally, I don't use an Osiris/Horus/Thoth set to boost because of my crowns mostly, they just make it so easy :p
what's you opinion on the 135/1/143 dex bear build?
Let's you equip drainers, and you can still use pink STR gear for tanking. (for 55s, at 56, sure, go wear some two handed STR gear). I know you can't wear 2h str gear now, but hey, that's what dex is meant for. Dmg!
135/143 sounds good, it'd depend on your boosters though since I wouldn't know what you can equip later on. :p
And I agree, that's what dex is for, damage. Str is just for tanking.
Oh, you just need a double booster set... you can go as low as 125 if you really want to get the most dmg out of it. 123 with a crown.
Yeah I remember, I dont really like not being able to switch gear at all though :p
Special section for those bears that don't want to tank :
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Please remember, EVEN IF YOU CANNOT TANK AS WELL AS A PURE TANK, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD NOT TANK.
The MAIN purpose of a BEAR, no matter what kind (Attack/Bow/Int/Dual) IS TO TANK!
how should i gear up if im just starting out? im lvl8 now and want to be a dex/str bear with dex more than str at endgame. shud i just use 1h/shield until i have enough dex for a decent bow/talon/wingshield? and any other recommended items?? many thanks i just started. only have a 2x mage and wanna try out a dex/str bear. :D