At like 1/1000000 rate lol
At like 1/1000000 rate lol
I know that we have had a couple other threads which discussed this, so perhaps I am repeating here, but the sorcerer mythic helm is barely the best sorcerer helm at level 26. In fact, for PvP I use a different helm since the mythic has lower armor and causes me to lose 160+ health compared to the helm I use for PvP. With that being the case, I find it hard to understand how the sorcerer helm can still be equivalent to the best at level 31 when it just barely makes that qualification at level 26. Unless of course you are going to give it a stat boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swede
For the Rogue & Warrior mythic helms, yes they care clearly the best at level 26 so perhaps that will be the case at level 31.
my bet would be hooks 1/50000 or 0.002%, mythic helms 1/100 or 1%Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanpakuto
We all know all 6 mythic armor pieces and both arcane weapons will most likely be available from crates but my question is
will the golden Nodr elite chests contain mythic helms and hooks? or will the helms and hook be exclusive to golden elite pirates
The hooks and helms with only be in elite gold pirates and locked crates , and the new arcane and mythic will come from new chest and locked crates.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamsone
So this means with current scaling and previously planned level 31 items, the Arcane Hooks will naturally be the highest damage item? If that is not is the case, and it requires a forced nerf to level 31 items then that is going to cause a much bigger problem to the game, and will be easily noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swede
It won't unbalance the game b/c 99.9% of the players you play with will be on equal grounds as everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by FluffNStuff
It's almost the end of Season 3 and i've yet to farm any pve maps with a hooks user and i've only been in 2 ctf games with a hooks user.
When they decide to release such an exclusive item, there will be definitely some drawbacks but if you think about it, it will have minimal effect on the majority of the players.
I'm guessing the drop rate is well above at 1 in every 3000+ crates or 5k+ golden elites so for such a costly item, it deserves to hold the #1 spot, or until they introduce the next wave of arcane weapons.
I am just saying it could unbalance Rogues in general. Because of the outcry they need to make sure the level 26 hooks are the best item at level 31, so if they do that retroactively, it would mean nerfing all the other Rogue level 31 items.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundamsone
Best doesn't mean +40 dmg and + 70 dps.
Best could only mean +10 dmg and + 20 dps which would still make it best.
I'm guessing the 31 daggers and 31 bows will be just under the hooks which will ofc depreciate the value on hooks but it would still make it the best and still be almost as valuable.
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Originally Posted by Swede
If you'll kindly reread every post i have made in this thread i have never ever said i would like to stay it upgraded forever.. I have even suggested things i thought are goood idea and a good balance for these problem , some are even ways for you to earn more money from gamers like me.. In what i understand you are planning on havin some ways for mythic to be turned in for an upgrade after Nordr expansion,correct? But how about arcane weapon? With current stated plan it will be obselete when Mage expansion comes, shouldnt arcane weapons have a better plan lay out for it being the rarest rarity ingame? See where my frustration is comin from?
If you can check all my post never have i ever made a rage post that dont have any sense into it.. When i complained about how Arcane are terrible when they were first released and had that conversation with you then after a few days you patched that arcane weapon to be where it is now?.. It felt awesome TBH a gamer being heard by the devs and felt that in some little way i contributed in that decision . I promised then that because u were very accomodating and felt like you are listening to your customer that i would purchase a 89$ plat package bec u guys deserve it , u know what ? I did multiple times infact spread to my different accounts ( i have. Two lvl26 rogue,1 lvl 26 warrior,1 lvl 21 warrior, 1 lvl21 mage, twink lvl6 x2 twink lvl16) all of them have enjoyed havin the luxury of spendin plats when they needed.. All because i felt i had found the game that where devs deserve my support..
As ive stated in one of my post ,Yes in a game like this items should need to be replaced every expansion but also remember in PC mmorpgs updates takes 6month- 1 year to arrive . Since we are on a mobile platform i truly understand and support the idea of faster expansion coming in since we can only squeeze so many things in in a mobile game xpansion bef we get burned out.. Thats why i was askin that kindly give us something that we can invest in that we can carry to several expansion atleast ( since we have an average of 2 months per expansion) thats just one item a very rare and very expensive item to acquire.. Then maybe after a few expansion introduce a seperate branch of better arcane weapon ( ex: axe vs sword , staff vs gun and blades vs bow) in that way old arcane weapon will hold their value but we will have something new to gun for then just repeat the process entire rotation of these will take a year or more enough time for us to shell out tons of cash for you guys...
I just hope you see what iam tryin to say here.. I never did asked for a permanent item just give as a better future plan layout for items you are releasing that are very rare and expensive... I will never ever complain like this if i did not love your game ..
I complain because i care
@GundamsoneQuote:
Originally Posted by FluffNStuff
He is correct in this one bud.. We are on the same boat here , he is just saying in retrospect for hooks to be able to be better than lvl 31 rogue weapon w/o it being upgraded they need to make sure they scale down Elite legendary lvl 31 rogue weapon rather than giving its full potential..
And let us be honest here even with a hook its not a very big significance in this current expansion ( ofcourse having 2 or more Rogue with hook in a party is a different story) for example i did try to time our Southern Sea Run with Hook vs Flintlock difference is just few secos faster as in just 10-15 secs it being Best item at that for this expansion yes thats a good increase and improvement but imagine that hook being used in the new expansion w/o an upgrade or worst imagine lvl31 elite legendary in a lvl 31 elite map if they are to be scaled down for hooks to be still the best..
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@Devs and others
English is not my native tongue i just try my very best to reach out and give my opinion if ever you find phrases or words that are not makin any sense i apologize in advance .
Either way, hooks will pretty much be a vanity item in this update. Whoever has them can save money by not needing 31 items. With the way prices are going, by the time the sorc update comes out, and hooks get scaled up, the chance of getting arcane hooks will be even lower since there's more arcane items selection. I wouldn't be surprised if their price shoots up to 99m
The key to this game is not to expect arcane. It will drive u insane! Mythic is obtainable, but arcane items you might as well cash convert all your plat!
Technically, I think what Fluff is saying is that it will be bad if they have to nerf L31 weapons just to make the hook better since they will not be buffing hooks. With the current progression of stats from one cap to the next, it will be relatively easy to tell if the new gear has been nerfed to accommodate this.
We hope that the hooks are already powerful enough that they could remain the best without having to change the stat curve to "make" them the best. I guess it would also be relatively easy to extrapolate 31 gear stats and compare them to the hooks stats if you have those.
Where did you get this information from? All I've been reading until now says there is no updated planned for the hooks. Only mythics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanpakuto
I just think that the whole idea to bring an Arcane weapon for each class is a bit ''out of track''.
First, comes the Rogue arcane weapon for level 26. You spend hundreds of dollars or millions of gold to obtain it. It is an incredibly rare item to get. Then, once you get it, you have the best Rogue weapon and you are pretty strong or even 'OP'.
Then, comes the Warrior arcane weapon for level 31. Same thing to obtain it, but now the Warrior will have the 'OP' weapon and will be even more powerful. The level 26 Rogue arcane weapon will then become weaker, and weaker each expansions.
After that, there will be a level 36 Sorcerer arcane weapon which will then give the power to the Sorcerers, who will became more 'OP' and stronger.
Conclusion, if they don't let us upgrade the Warrior and Rogue arcane weapons, it will only be un-balanced and nonsense since it would be MUCH better if EACH classe has THEIR arcane weapon for the SAME level.
Don't forget that you get to have that strong and powerful arcane for about a month or two, to then have better ones (or not).
Even if the upgrade requires a X amount of platinum or gold to do, it will still be pretty reasonable.
Just my two little cents.
I was under the impression that arcane along with mythics would be upgradable in the sorc expansion. If they don't do so, they've essentially destroyed quite a bit of plat sales as those ultra rare items all eventually become obsolete leaving only the arcane pets worth getting. Blows the mind how they can promise that mythics and arcane items can be turned in for higher level in future expansions and now they're not only skipping to every other expansion but possibly never upgradable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aedenos
^^
This they did not realize that those that are gunning for this kind of items are those that are willing to shell out hundreds or thousand of dollars .. Who would want to get burned again and shell out those kind of money if you know it'll happen again ? As for me have spent hundres for plat but was very happy and was willing to spend more to get a slim chance of gettin tht arcnae weapon for my warrior but with this weak future plan layout for arcane weapon i dont think so..
My take: Look at the current tier 4 (pinks) malee items. Depraved and Flintlocks. Flintlocks are more rare and all around more valuable, but DBP have more dps etc. FofB gives you some stuff that DBP don't, DMG etc. Saying that, a new Viking type lvl 31 weapon/bow would prob be all around better than Hooks, but the Hooks will most likly provide an Assassin something that a new weapon won't.
I think you guys forget that hooks will always be OP as a lvl26 pvp item. If you look at PL, some of the most expensive items have always been twink items used in PvP. So I would not be surprised to find hooks still worth 10m+ long after they are obsolete at end game. But yes, if I had to guess I would expect that at the 41 cap we will be looking at a new rogue arcane weapon, assuming the pattern continues.
We never promised that Arcane items would be upgradable at all and we never promised that Mythics would be upgradable in every expansion. Not sure where you are getting this information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanpakuto
Unfortunately there were a few members of this forum who kept repeating this misinformation, so quite a few people probably believed it was true even though no developer ever said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swede
Shoot I guess I interpreted it wrong! Sorry about that :( I hope that you do take it into consideration though! Getting a mythic once is hard enough but twice especially for Arcane items later on is pretty rough! I'll still try my luck at mythic armor for my warrior :) u guys are doing an excellent job at keeping my friends and I all addicted hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Swede
Yeah I reread the older posts and it looks like only mythics were promised. It was nice of them to make the hooks the best item in a recent update. I won't stress over an arcane sword for my warrior now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Energizeric
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Originally Posted by Zanpakuto
Only problem with this is why is it that mythic will be upgraded in expansion after Nordr and Arcane are not.. Being it the rarest rarity you can get even if we were misinformed shouldnt it have a better plan for Arcane Rarity weapons being how hard to get them?
Itll be an easier pill to swallow is if they upgrade stats for it to be competetive but not item lvl
I completely agree with you! "Arcane" items should never become obsolete. Hopefully devs will reconsider it given its extreme rarity. As it stands, I don't need to go all out getting that warrior sword! Feel bad for my friends and u who do have the hooks. I'd be very upset if I were u too :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellowpy
Hooks are like the "Sword of a Thousand Truths" in WOW. It was so so rare and so so awesome for a little while and still is, but one weapon can't be the best forever (More than this couple of months def) but not forever.
Lol Southpark much? I get your point, but WoW is on a 2 year expansion cycle so the best gear in game was viable for at least a year or more depending on the guild. Making Arcane class specific weapons should be something every class should have the opportunity to achieve at the same level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuzeq
STS really pushed the whole "rogue focus for Kraken Expansion" and that Nodr will be warrior focused. This is great, but why go to hassle if the pinnacle class weapon will be antiquated in comparison to next class weapon? I mean, why not just make a sorcerer and kick back, saving your money knowing your arcane weapon will be the best one in game when it comes out because sorcerers will be the last to get their arcane weapon? It makes no sense whatsoever unless STS plans to release arcane weapons every third expansion, and the goal is to force people into spending more cash, all over again, and again etc..
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Originally Posted by Khylan
Yeah a lil bit@Southpark...lol. Like I said I agree that Arcane Weapons should have a longer "Shelf Life". I would like to assume that the current/pending Arcane weapons won't be the "One and Only" of it's kind if STS plan to keep AL going beyond level 36. I think it would be cool for there to be a new Arcane weapon for each class after every couple cap raises. Not saying STS so go with "The Return to Kraken Islands" after the Mage's back story, but taking "Turns" with Arcane weapons isn't bad. Or thay can do a scale...wait...somebody said that already. Shutting up now..
Don't try to acquire arcane items if you don't think they're worthwhile to acquire.
OMG this ,somebody have the same thinking as i do.. Maybe a fellow hardcore WoW gamer here. I 100% truly aggree , as ive always said in reality we cant expect Gears to be forever remain top Gear but the problem with "our" mmorpg is it is unlike PC mmorpg or let us just compare it to the most popular w/c is wow where in it takes more than a year per expansion..Quote:
Originally Posted by Khylan
Those gear that you will grind for weeks or months can still be enjoyed for a long time , that is why when next expansion comes you dont feel cheated when your Top Gear becomes obselete because logic dictates that since Top gear are rare you'll take a long time or in great lenghts acquiring them weeks or months but because WoW have a longer life cycle you can still enjoy your gear being top quality for a long time..
But with Arcane Legend it is a mobile game thats why shorter expansion life cycle is very much understood and ofcourse very much appreciated but........ With this in mind they should have taken enough responsibility of having a good future planning on these "Arcane" rarity items.. Arcane being Obselete after 2 patches even if swade have promised them to not allow that to happen while mythic have a future plan of being upgraded after Nordr expansion? I really cant see enough common sense in that decision specially that Arcane should have been the rarest and the toughest one to aquire..
My guess is the l31 bone chiller bows will have close to the damage output l26 hooks
FTW
@gundamsone
LvL26 bone chiller bows have CLOSE to the damage output of Arcane weapon .. How wacky is that right?
it's a good thing itll drive the prices down
If u dont have one yes.. But its unfair for us that have it and worked for it defies it being an Arcane rarity
Hooks are luck item, not worked hard. No reason to be OP, all reasons to be special. It's already special as very rare and has awesome proc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellowpy
I beg your pardon? Did you spend $300 - $500 for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by jtst
Yeah, the cost involved to get these is astronomical for a video game. Making them obsolete after 4 months with no opportunity to upgrade is shamefully greedy...bilking your best customers with the assumption they will continue to spend exorbadant amounts of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mysticaleagle
I've spent quite a bit between DL and gearing/pet buying for my 3 toons, but now my attitude has changed because of the stance on the arcane/mythic items. Yesterday I purchased 1700 plat (my last purchase of 1700 was during the plat sale), opened crates until I got the bonechiller bow of potency and stopped. Why? What's the point in plowing through crates anymore?
I have 1400 plat left, 56 crates left out of th 80 I bought in CS, and doubled the money I initially spent buying those crates by selling my 26 armor and various items from the crates. I'm going to sit on all of it until the level cap goes up and I will again approach things conservatively. If the hooks and helm were upgradable ..even for 500 plat, I would have a reason to justify "well, maybe I'll open just one more". No pun intended, but you need a hook in order to get someone compulsive to bite, and right now mythic/arcane items don't cut it.
Excuse me?? I fully intend to own the arcane sorcerer weapon when it comes out in the level 36 expansion. And it won't be from luck or by spending any money. It will be from tons of work to save up a large fortune of gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtst
No luck involved there, just a ton of hard work. Yes, some people end up with good things from luck. People win the lottery. But most people that have a lot do so by hard work, both in the real world and in this game too.
Luck, luck, luck. I too, am saving up money for the arcane sorcerer weapon (unless it's another staff UGH) and the mythic armors. Wanna know how much I spent on this game? 2$. That was for character slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Energizeric
The way things are gold doesn't matter, there only 5-10 arcane weapons in game, and if seller wants to keep it, he doesn't sell and you can't buy. You will see it when warriors arcane comes out. There are not so much mages as rogues and warriors, so you would have obvilously better chance to get arcane. Mythic items or arcane pets - these you can farm and merch and sure get them, weapons are in higher demand, so you get it when you are LUCKY enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Energizeric
Most of the Arcane hooks have indeed changed hands at least once. Often times it will be a warrior or sorcerer who will get the hooks, and since they cannot use them they sell to a rogue. Same will happen with future arcane weapons. If you offer enough gold you can buy one. Right now there is an arcane hooks for sale in the traders forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtst