Skill Discussion - Humania Skill Ranks go to 7

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Originally Posted by Vuvuzaylor

cant believe, that drain goes over 600 o.O amazing...
Birds and bears will get more dodgie than ever lol...hope the debuffs will grow the same size...

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Yep, I have personally hit over 600 to a few players with lower armor.
I can show you in game if you want to see later on.

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Originally Posted by TANKKAAR

I can second and third Apollo

Any buff and debuff can be dodged and or can miss.. Same goes for rev... It all boils down to hit% vs dodge vs luck..

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I don't believe Revive misses as in Hit% wise.
I'm pretty sure it works 100% if you use it.
What mages mean when they say "Miss", means that Revive was used out of range or had a blind spot.

But I agree, debuff skills CAN be dodged.
That's the problem.

I'll really start to laugh when Mage's heal can be a miss.

We have been asking for passive skills and skill trees for close to two years. Make it happen.

Upping skills to 7 is not as exciting as new skills, but hey at least it will lead to a little variety instead of everyone maxed at 6 on almost all skills.

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Originally Posted by Moogerfooger

We have been asking for passive skills and skill trees for close to two years. Make it happen.

Upping skills to 7 is not as exciting as new skills, but hey at least it will lead to a little variety instead of everyone maxed at 6 on almost all skills.

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We have also been asking for a new campaign and that always comes along eventually.
I get the feeling passive skills will screw up PvP.

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Originally Posted by Whirlzap

We have also been asking for a new campaign and that always comes along eventually.
I get the feeling passive skills will screw up PvP.

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In case you haven't noticed, many many things that have been asked for have never materialized, so your campaign-comes-along-eventually doesn't mean much.

Passive skills wouldn't "screw up" PvP, it would lead to more varied builds like in DL. PvP vets may have to re-learn some tactics/experiment with builds. I have seen a lot of negative comments over the last year-plus about how PvP in PL needs to be improved to more than just "whose fingers are fastest" or "who's ping is lowest?", so here is a possible chance.

Variety is better than everyone being the same, in my opinion. DL PvP seems to be pretty fun albeit limited somewhat at this point, I actually play it willingly from time to time ;)

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Originally Posted by Moogerfooger

In case you haven't noticed, many many things that have been asked for have never materialized, so your campaign-comes-along-eventually doesn't mean much.

Passive skills wouldn't "screw up" PvP, it would lead to more varied builds like in DL. PvP vets may have to re-learn some tactics/experiment with builds. I have seen a lot of negative comments over the last year-plus about how PvP in PL needs to be improved to more than just "whose fingers are fastest" or "who's ping is lowest?", so here is a possible chance.

Variety is better than everyone being the same, in my opinion. DL PvP seems to be pretty fun albeit limited somewhat at this point, I actually play it willingly from time to time ;)

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Aah, I have never tried DL PvP, so it should be different.
However looking at passives, even if they could cap at 10 points per passive, that's like 10% dodge or 10% crit or something that insane....
At a twink level.

Though that's just an extreme assumption as to what they could do...

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Originally Posted by Vuvuzaylor

no thats definately not possible...lol with my pvp expetience of 10k kills i can promise you, that a debuff skill will break/crush all the buffs-completely. :)

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Is your 10k kills backed up by 20k deaths?

I never truly liked the idea of passive skills, it can ruin pvp and I don't see it to be so much fun

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Originally Posted by Whirlzap

Aah, I have never tried DL PvP, so it should be different.
However looking at passives, even if they could cap at 10 points per passive, that's like 10% dodge or 10% crit or something that insane....
At a twink level.

Though that's just an extreme assumption as to what they could do...

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In DL, like the skills, there are level requirements for how many points you can put into them.

Selling builds for 500k ;)

Coming in late on this one...

I would have loved passive skills
I would have loved new skills (more skills)

Although I understand this would have had a massive impact on pvp, I still think this would have rejuvenated the game, particularly if these only become available post 66 for instance, which means this woul dnot have affected builds of twinks.

I am still excited about trying a lvl7 drain and I wonder if mana shield will stay on longer or take less time to mana up ! :-)

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Originally Posted by Apollo:680229

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Originally Posted by FluffNStuff

Won't the debuff's also go up a level, or are they just drastically underpowered compared to the buffs? If so, then the debuffs need to be fixed as a syeparate issue, though I can see how this is exacerbating that problem.

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The problem lies in landing those debuffs on an opponent with such high dodge.

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Make debuff apply no matter what, let only damage be dodged.

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Originally Posted by Otukura

Make debuff apply no matter what, let only damage be dodged.

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Roots, blind, break, shatter, and CB do damage but they are debuffs as well

1. I hate the skill charts in dl and in sl.
2. If the skill charts came into play from dl and sl to pl it would make many members upset.

Why do you hate them?
>.>
@Pakax: Mana shield will just increase in armor. At level 6, it adds +14 or +16 armor I believe

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Originally Posted by Pakax

Coming in late on this one...

I would have loved passive skills
I would have loved new skills (more skills)

Although I understand this would have had a massive impact on pvp, I still think this would have rejuvenated the game, particularly if these only become available post 66 for instance, which means this woul dnot have affected builds of twinks.

I am still excited about trying a lvl7 drain and I wonder if mana shield will stay on longer or take less time to mana up ! :-)

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If (or when) they implement passive skills, I would like it to be available for levels below 66. Like DL, they would have to put certain level requirements for each point in a passive skill. The variety of builds at twink levels is also very low, just not as low as endgame. It could use the same revamp as endgame.

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Originally Posted by Otukura

Make debuff apply no matter what, let only damage be dodged.

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Chris, that would make bears heavily disadvantaged and give birds major advantages as nearly all their skills have a debuff.

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Originally Posted by Apollo

Chris, that would make bears heavily disadvantaged and give birds major advantages as nearly all their skills have a debuff.

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Root takes only 30% dodge... you bears will still have 60% dodge or so...right?

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Originally Posted by Whirlzap

Root takes only 30% dodge... you bears will still have 60% dodge or so...right?

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Actually, they take up 40+.

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Originally Posted by Apollo

Actually, they take up 40+.

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Thorn root -30, thorn wall -25.
Know your numbers. :p

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Originally Posted by Gaunab

Thorn root -30, thorn wall -25.
Know your numbers. :p

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Oh snap!