I challenge *you*!

[IGN Storm]

Ok, but explain to me why my repulse shot gets dodged when my crit is low and hits much more reliably when my crit is high. There's a lot to take into consideration. For example, there could be some kind of cap on crit, or even on dodge. Or perhaps there are certain codes written into armor sets themselves. Like I said, it's my firm belief that there are many hidden mechanics in the game and I don't think one simple test can disprove a theory with such a substantial amount of evidence.

Are you sure its that your opponent dodging the repulse instead of you missing repulse? Because now focus at 6 gives (I believe) 22 hit% which is not enough to bring a 51 RS/FF warbird to 130% hit. This means if you opponent lands a 30% hit debuff, you are capable of missing some of your skills. It might appear that you hit more because of the crit from Focus, but I think it is the hit% buff that does the work.

If that is not the case, then I believe the evidence we have so far is inconclusive. You cannot argue for something from pure speculation or the belief that there are "hidden mechanics". In the same way, I could argue that wearing only a weapon is better than wearing a full set because I managed to get a kill or two more w/o armor than w/ armor due to something called luck.

I'm not mocking you or outright saying that your are wrong but from a scientific perspective, you don't have enough data to validate your statement.

[synfullmagic_23110]

Because now focus at 6 gives (I believe) 22 hit%

Yes sir

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[MightyMicah]

Are you sure its that your opponent dodging the repulse instead of you missing repulse? Because now focus at 6 gives (I believe) 22 hit% which is not enough to bring a 51 RS/FF warbird to 130% hit. This means if you opponent lands a 30% hit debuff, you are capable of missing some of your skills. It might appear that you hit more because of the crit from Focus, but I think it is the hit% buff that does the work.

If that is not the case, then I believe the evidence we have so far is inconclusive. You cannot argue for something from pure speculation or the belief that there are "hidden mechanics". In the same way, I could argue that wearing only a weapon is better than wearing a full set because I managed to get a kill or two more w/o armor than w/ armor due to something called luck.

I'm not mocking you or outright saying that your are wrong but from a scientific perspective, you don't have enough data to validate your statement.

From a scientific perspective I have more proof than physiologic ever had because I've played longer than he did and amassed more and more evidence for this theory over time. My argument isn't that there are "hidden mechanics." Which, by the way, people scoffed and laughed when I claimed that the range mechanics had changed and that while advancing forward your range is increased and while retreating back your range is decreased. Now people have accepted this as true. I believe my experience with crit is no different. However, I will try and produce some more substantial evidence since experience isn't enough for anyone but me.

Luck...or self comforting.

If you want to set a new standard, you'll need to bring back proofs with accurate results.

I'm not sure if you're trying to make me look silly, or to insult me, or neither one. Regardless, I'll try and keep tabs on some battles. I'll maybe get a friend to do some testing with also. This isn't luck or self comforting. This is something that has helped me beat player after player by analyzing the equipment they're wearing. This is something that I've treated as law and it has payed off every time. As far as I'm concerned, I have proofs with accurate results. But, as I said, I'll try and keep tabs on them a little more.

doesnt 6repulse knock back slightly even if it is dodge or is tht just me ?

As far as I'm aware, it does not.

[Zeus]

I'm not sure if you're trying to make me look silly, or to insult me, or neither one. Regardless, I'll try and keep tabs on some battles. I'll maybe get a friend to do some testing with also. This isn't luck or self comforting. This is something that has helped me beat player after player by analyzing the equipment they're wearing. This is something that I've treated as law and it has payed off every time. As far as I'm concerned, I have proofs with accurate results. But, as I said, I'll try and keep tabs on them a little more.

Neither, neither, and neither. I just want proof on claims, because the one thing that I find annoying is people making claims without proof to back them up. This then becomes into the PL "facts" that I like to call folklore.

I thought the same thing as you, but when I did the tests, Gaunab proved me wrong. So, I'd really like to see why there is a difference in your case.

[MightyMicah]

Neither, neither, and neither. I just want proof on claims, because the one thing that I find annoying is people making claims without proof to back them up. This then becomes into the PL "facts" that I like to call folklore.

I thought the same thing as you, but when I did the tests, Gaunab proved me wrong. So, I'd really like to see why there is a difference in your case.

Gotcha. I agree, there are some wacky claims out there and I've thought wrongly in the past before only to get corrected later. One question, when you did your testing, did one of you stand still, and the other attacked him? If so, I have a small theory about that which would give me a good lead to start testing.

[Zeus]

Gotcha. I agree, there are some wacky claims out there and I've thought wrongly in the past before only to get corrected later. One question, when you did your testing, did one of you stand still, and the other attacked him? If so, I have a small theory about that which would give me a good lead to start testing.

As for the question on our procedure, yes, that was the procedure that we used. If I recall though, I did not test with skills. So, if you also want to create a test with skills, that might explain why you feel that higher crit = higher chance to penetrate dodge.

[MightyMicah]

As for the question on our procedure, yes, that was the procedure that we used. If I recall though, I did not test with skills. So, if you also want to create a test with skills, that might explain why you feel that higher crit = higher chance to penetrate dodge.

Alright, thanks. I guess I'll find out. Admittedly I've got no axe to grind or anything. If I'm wrong, so be it. I'll just be really shocked and confused if I am. As I stated though, I have a few ideas why you guys got the results you did.