1.7 Content Update (55818)

**Duped** · 03-16-2011, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by judgementbow

How is this an advantage that you can only get with plat? Luck elixirs most likely give you more of a bonus than the vanity hat. Even if it's the same %25 chance, if you don't want the hat you can get the same advantage for coins. One Plasma Pyramid run is 2-4 luck elixirs, so that's not a bad trade off at all. If both options were plat only, then there might be a reason to change things. Either way a little extra luck won't be a big game changer in any way. You can run sewers all you want with it and more than likely you'll still take around the same amount of time to get a pink.

That's an excellent point. I have tremendous respect for the senior players who voice their opposition, but I personally bought the item only bc of the statement that the effect would be permanent. I'd like to get a rose wand too, but I can't because I missed my chance.

This also seems to be perfectly in line with every other game I've played. Spending money helps you save time, you can have the same thing, but it takes longer if you don't get plat/points/whatever.

This hat allows you to potentially save time by not having to wait as long to drop something. I know drops are random, and the effect is small, but statistically this allows you the chance to get what you'd like to faster. I also went and bought an itunes card and bought plat to get this item. Someone doesn't want to use plat, use the elixir

**Pharcyde** · 03-16-2011, 04:01 PM

I just still can't believe how much debate is going on in this thread, right now, the devs have already voiced their opinions.

1.) They made it permanent for a reason.
2.) JustG stated his opinion by agreeing with someone who said that it should stay permanent
3.) Debating whether it should or should not stay doesn't change the fact that the devs WANT it to be permanent.

Also, this isn't as important to the health and well being of the game as the shadow caves were, so our opinions are not nearly as valuable to the devs on this topic. Not saying its not valuable at all, its just not at the status that it was during shadow cave release.

**Lesrider** · 03-16-2011, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Pharcyde

I just still can't believe how much debate is going on in this thread, right now, the devs have already voiced their opinions.

1.) They made it permanent for a reason.
2.) JustG stated his opinion by agreeing with someone who said that it should stay permanent
3.) Debating whether it should or should not stay doesn't change the fact that the devs WANT it to be permanent.

Also, this isn't as important to the health and well being of the game as the shadow caves were, so our opinions are not nearly as valuable to the devs on this topic. Not saying its not valuable at all, its just not at the status that it was during shadow cave release.

When did G say anything on this matter? I didn't see it if he did.
Only thing I saw from a dev in regards to this was Asommers saying they'd consider making it temporary. How is that a final word on anything?

**Lizardfeather** · 03-16-2011, 08:16 PM

I saw the hat in action (can't post a pic ATM srry) just now. Apparently it acts as a luck potion because it said this guy's (wearing the hat) elixer of luck (no potion icon by his name) had given him a re-roll. It was only an orange item BTW. So this hat is infinite luck pots, which no one uses anyway. Compared to the ridiculous price of 10 plat. for one vs 16k, I believe that this actually fair to people who buy potions via plat (if there were any).

This IS fair, although I still don't agree with the whole 'money for bonuses over other players' concept, I can not think of a monetary-beneficial way to avoid the permabonus. Most games do that, so I guess PL can too...

**FearTheSpoon** · 03-17-2011, 01:40 AM

Honestly the only reason I decided to buy this is for the permanent luck bonus.. If it were to be changed to temporary, that would be fine, but I would hope I would be refunded my platinum. It is hard to say things will be one way and end up changing it after people spend actual money on it. I would be happy to even receive a portion of the platinum back. Maybe lower the price to 5 plats as some suggested. =]

**superglut2** · 03-17-2011, 02:48 AM

Most players, incluing me just bougjt it causr devs said its permament. If they would take it away a lot of players woild wabt a refund includig me.

**Keohike** · 03-17-2011, 02:52 AM

hmmm i didnt know if its perm when i brought it i just knew there was extra luck lol

**Kalielle** · 03-17-2011, 03:18 PM

I wish we had an official announcement on what they decide about this, before the hats go away. If they're permanent I was going to buy a couple more so I don't have to keep stashing them.

**Echelong** · 03-17-2011, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kalielle

I wish we had an official announcement on what they decide about this, before the hats go away. If they're permanent I was going to buy a couple more so I don't have to keep stashing them.

Send devs a PM after all you are Kalielle

**Justg** · 03-17-2011, 03:30 PM

We'll have the items available through Monday.

We're waiting to see the economic effect to decide if it is permanent or not.

If we remove the luck, we won't be giving refunds... days and days of good luck is worth the plat in our opinion!

**StompArtist** · 03-17-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Justg

We'll have the items available through Monday.

We're waiting to see the economic effect to decide if it is permanent or not.

If we remove the luck, we won't be giving refunds... days and days of good luck is worth the plat in our opinion!

Not to complain but the original post did say that the effect would be permanent. Perhaps keep the effect and lower the proc could make everyone happy?

**Echelong** · 03-17-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Justg

We'll have the items available through Monday.

We're waiting to see the economic effect to decide if it is permanent or not.

If we remove the luck, we won't be giving refunds... days and days of good luck is worth the plat in our opinion!

I'll stay with it no matter what hehe. I don't think there has been much impact on the economy prices have stayed the same. The only concern for a lot of players is that there will be a lot of clones, still don't care I will use my rainbow robe for the style ;-)

When is the new sewer items coming and bonus for the set?

@Kalielle see I told you devs listen when you ask.

**Justg** · 03-17-2011, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by StompArtist

Not to complain but the original post did say that the effect would be permanent. Perhaps keep the effect and lower the proc could make everyone happy?

Understood... not long after that ALS (after listening to the thread comments) said we'll consider making them temporary. We need to see the impact on the economy to be able to make the call. Right now, we are leaning towards keeping it permanent. But that's all we can commit to.

**FluffNStuff** · 03-17-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Justg

Understood... not long after that ALS (after listening to the thread comments) said we'll consider making them temporary. We need to see the impact on the economy to be able to make the call. Right now, we are leaning towards keeping it permanent. But that's all we can commit to.

I can't say I would be happy if the decision was made to make it temporary, but I can say I am glad I am not the one that has to make that decision.

**davidis57** · 03-17-2011, 03:52 PM

luck or no luck I would try to decide on a percentage over value of items placed for sale. So that items would not have exorbant prices. Players can make or break the economy by asking high prices. I have seen this happen to too many mmo's.

**superglut2** · 03-17-2011, 03:57 PM

Many players including me just bought the vanity hat " BIg Luck" because of the statement from justg that it had a permanent increase in luck. It would not be fair to us if justg and other devs changed their minds after they made the statement that it would be permanent. Devs are the only people here that i and many others rely on. If they make statements about content that i / we actually pay for with real money i expect them to stick to the statement.

**Echelong** · 03-17-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by superglut2

Many players including me just bought the vanity hat " BIg Luck" because of the statement from justg that it had a permanent increase in luck. It would not be fair to us if justg and other devs changed their minds after they made the statement that it would be permanent. Devs are the only people here that i and many others rely on. If they make statements about content that i / we actually pay for with real money i expect them to stick to the statement.

Sadly on the world of MMOs nothing is permanent. Its like Real life everything changes. Devs have to keep everything balanced. You could ask for a refund but that has to be made before They take it out.

**Justg** · 03-17-2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by superglut2

Many players including me just bought the vanity hat " BIg Luck" because of the statement from justg that it had a permanent increase in luck. It would not be fair to us if justg and other devs changed their minds after they made the statement that it would be permanent. Devs are the only people here that i and many others rely on. If they make statements about content that i / we actually pay for with real money i expect them to stick to the statement.

Superglut, if you followed the thread, you would see that asommers (not me) also said it may be temporary. Tell ya what, right now, email support, and we'll refund your purchase.

**Djinn80** · 03-17-2011, 04:16 PM

Please let us know the perminant answer by Monday so those of us on the fence to buy can make our decision then.

I know personally I only like to PVP but would like to have it for days when I need to farm for gold to buy new gear... I won't wear it to PVP though so all good

Thanks!