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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTider View Post
    Not sure what you are trying to say. Not seeing anyone "crying" on this thread.

    Birds are absolutely the WORSE class and are just as viable now as they were before the nerf. Only statements being made is now that dodge has been brought back a little, it is exposingthe birds who were counting on it to just rush in for kills. And yes, it is NOT it was in Sewers. Birds had more crit back then, but that made up for the fact they had practically zero dodge. And I hate to break it to you, but birds are still the highest damage output class in the game. Not sure where you got that all classes are stronger now.

    Might want to tone it down a bit when you post as the discussion was pretty productive before this post.
    Lol... Mages hit for about 550 on just fire with elite staff... let me guess your a mage. And I fixed it for ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonleybird View Post
    Lol... Mages hit for about 550 on just fire with elite staff... let me guess your a mage. And I fixed it for ya
    He's a bear. Always a bear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonleybird View Post
    Lol... Mages hit for about 550 on just fire with elite staff... let me guess your a mage. And I fixed it for ya
    Actually, you are wrong again. I didn't want to have to do this but the pictures below will speak for me.

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    He's a bear. Always a bear.
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    So, as I said before, birds are far from the bottom as far as overall damage. As a matter of fact, they are at the top if anything.
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    Daym u must know what ur talking about with that 5k kills, and btw it might say that much damage but that's not what it hits for if u pvp'ed more u would know that
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTider View Post
    Actually, you are wrong again. I didn't want to have to do this but the pictures below will speak for me.



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    So, as I said before, birds are far from the bottom as far as overall damage. As a matter of fact, they are at the top if anything.
    Wasn't really against the "birds are fine" thing. I just know you as the ultimate bear tank guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonleybird View Post
    Daym u must know what ur talking about with that 5k kills, and btw it might say that much damage but that's not what it hits for if u pvp'ed more u would know that
    It's the same with all classes, so with your example, Firestorm from a mage doesn't hit 550 either. I don't have to have 10-20-30k pvp kills to know how the mechanics of the game work. I am not going to continue to argue with you. Bottom line, I was correct in my initial assessment.

    @Robert - the first part of the post was intended for Lonely. I just included your quote as a bridge to the purpose of my post. And thank you for the complement, btw.
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    I also have a couple of kills on my bird and I second everything Crim said. If you think birds are weak or that they cant kill you are probably spoiled from playing with the ridiculously strong elite bow set the past year. Now it's time to learn how to play your class properly.
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    I never knew how to effectively use a bird before (not even when I read physiologics bird guide)
    But at least I'm not that used to me dodging, considering a 74 with a 73 set doesnt dodge as much as a 76 bird with elite swift set

    Now that ik whats waiting for me at endgame, I'm motivated to lvl up!
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    Wrong, even the best birds in game say it isn't anything like sewers for example thelonearher and dolloway

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonleybird View Post
    Wrong, even the best birds in game say it isn't anything like sewers for example thelonearher and dolloway
    It isn't like the sewers, but it still isn't what you think. You would be surprised how much experience 5k kills brings into a player. Also, you probably haven't played without an Elite set on a bird. I could never instant kill with my basic Swift recurve but I always knew I was still over powered (4000 kills and around 1000 deaths this cap all in FFA CTF without rushing or spawning) plus I almost never dodged (gotta love level 7 evasion). Now people will see that birds don't need game dodge to kill in FFA, but manual dodge by keeping your range and using dat cover like a true op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonleybird View Post
    Wrong, even the best birds in game say it isn't anything like sewers for example thelonearher and dolloway
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    Imo the nerf is a really good thing, because
    -less dodge means less luck factor, and bears become more vulnerable and birds more squishy again, like in fang and earlier caps, where noone complained about it
    -less crit (especially not 100+ crit for mages n birds) leads to way less oneshots and makes games more interesting (and gives sets like fiery a new advantage over savage, cause of fiery's more crit and not both 100+ buffed with mages like it was before nerf)
    -Sets keep their base damage, so birds are still deadly and fast with swift elite
    In conclusion, birds need to learn how to play again, more mages are using fiery set, and bears are still a bit op, especially when they use dex sets. The 90 dmg buff allows them to use every set and still dealing tons of dmg, this is the only thing that should be nerfed in future (60 dmg would be op enough imo).
    But, in general, a very good job by Spacetime so far
    Last edited by Megamage; 09-18-2013 at 06:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamage View Post
    dealing tons of dmg
    This is all I picked out. If you play league of legends, you'd get the reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto077 View Post
    This is all I picked out. If you play league of legends, you'd get the reference.
    I dont really understand what you mean -.-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickenrunnn View Post
    You forgot the rhino living against a 5vs1
    I have never seen this happen endgame, or are the rhino's the 5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tHelonestud View Post
    I have never seen this happen endgame, or are the rhino's the 5?
    Rhino is obviously the 5 lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megamage View Post
    I dont really understand what you mean -.-
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTider View Post
    Actually, you are wrong again. I didn't want to have to do this but the pictures below will speak for me.



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    And other arrows which cause this much damage...

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    So, as I said before, birds are far from the bottom as far as overall damage. As a matter of fact, they are at the top if anything.
    good enough, thnx

    now show us few skill damage of a pure into mage, with full set and elite branch (a 2h weapon, necessary cuz we comparing with another 2h weapon) and then we will add +45 damage with the values. After that we will compare these value.

    sorry but one sided pictures does not prove anything ;(

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