Discussion on the Newly Revealed DMG % System

[Serancha]

Pls and thank you.

Archon Armor / Passive Durability Test

Purpose: Verify if archon armor % has an effect while specced with durability, or if the ring's bonus is overwritten by the passive.

Test subject: Ravagerx. Big burley warrior specced with 5 passive durability. Testing with and without armor % archon ring.

Specific: Testing in CTF arena. These results may be different for PvE.


Test 1:

Single non-crit slashes with archon equipped.

Sample size: 50 hits

Highest hit: 162
Lowest hit: 138

Average damage: 150



Test 2:

Single non-crit slashes with a generic ring equipped.

Sample size: 50 hits

Highest hit: 176
Lowest hit: 145

Average damage: 161



Conclusion: The archon of Potency ring blocks more damage than a non-archon ring, meaning it does still give it's armor % bonus, even with durability passive specced. It is not over-written in the PvP arena.

(side note that although I do not count crits in the data, there was a noticable increase in criticals scored for Test 2)

[Ravager]

I want my platinum back for all the damage elixers I bought during combo...which was all of them.

I want every last platinum of it...

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

At least let us respec out of the crummy builds we have with a free respec weekend.

[Serancha]

Test for Archon Damage % Ring / Damage % Pet

Purpose: Verify if archon damage % has an effect while using a damage pet, or if the ring's bonus is overwritten by the pet's % buff.

Test subject: Serancha: Super-cute Rogue equipped with Flapjack (15% damage). Testing with and without archon damage ring.

Specific: Testing in CTF arena. These results may be different for PvE. I have NO passive damage specced.

Gear: Both rings used gave the same damage, pre-archon % boost. IE: If I wear the non-archon ring, and inspect the archon without equipping it, the damage is equal. This is the pre-buff damage, since the archon only shows it's % buff on stats when equipped.


Control:

Single non-crit slashes with no pet and no archon.

Sample size: 50 hits

Highest hit: 162
Lowest hit: 138

Average damage: 150


Test 1:

Single non-crit slashes with Flapjack (15%) and archon equipped.

Sample size: 30 hits

Highest hit: 175
Lowest hit: 142

Average damage: 158



Test 2:

Single non-crit slashes with Flapjack (15%) and non-archon ring equipped.

Sample size: 30 hits

Highest hit: 171
Lowest hit: 139

Average damage: 157



Conclusion: With a pet giving 15% damage, the increase over the non-pet damage was only 5%, which is 10% below the pet's normal boost. This 10% cut is most likely due to class balancing in pvp.

The damage was no better with archon than without, meaning when a 15% damage pet is used in pvp, you get a 5% damage buff which overrides the archon.



Follow-up test with 5% damage pet

This test is identical to the one above, with the only difference being that this one is using Timber, who has a 5% damage buff, rather than Flapper with 15%.


Test 1:

Single non-crit slashes with Timber (5%) and archon equipped.

Sample size: 30 hits

Highest hit: 177
Lowest hit: 142

Average damage: 162



Test 2:

Single non-crit slashes with Timber (5%) and non-archon ring equipped.

Sample size: 30 hits

Highest hit: 167
Lowest hit: 138

Average damage: 150



Conclusion: A pet with 5% damage buff does not have its damage calculated at all in pvp. The damage with it is identical to using no pet. Therefore, when you equip a damage archon, the ring's damage buff is applied, since there is no other buffs to take precedent.



10% damage pets: Because the pet damage % buffs are dropped by 10% for pvp, it is most likely that any pet giving 10% will act the same way as my Timber did, and have none of its % damage added on. This means that wearing archon (or using passive damage) is advisable when using one of these pets. However, I did not have time to actually test a 10% one so this is not proven.

[Kakashis]

I think what we all thought was that we would get benefits from stacking. Now that we know that it's just the highest variable, some of us feel cheated. It's no wonder whenever I purchased +25% damage lix, we still couldn't Crack egg because it was only 10 damage more. Can't believe it's so different from what we all expected. Had I known, I would have never spec in damage passive. Upon some testing, a fellow guild member also had no difference in damage bonus from archon rings using pets 10% damage and up. It's all about perception and I think it's safe to say we assumed it stacked because other things stack.

Not sure if anything should be or can be done, but my veil has officially become tank support and not damage based. I will drop it and not even bother with being inside with risk of getting one hitted. This makes bows much more viable than daggers for the foreseeable future for pve.

[Madnex]

Points removed, turns out Samael's damage buff does not take effect for any of the three classes as the pet itself is bugged. Will have to rerun some tests after it's fixed.

[Serancha]

PvE Elixir junkies need to put passive elsewhere though.

[Madnex]

PvE Elixir junkies need to put passive elsewhere though.

Indeed but I'd expect those who roll in PvE to have six actives itfp.
Suggested passives build for elixir-injected PvE'ers:
5/5 Might,
5/5 Intelligence,
5/5 Agility,
5/5 Critical.

Is there any test done on whether damage reduction elixir overrides armor passive? If it doesn't, instead of Critical a tank can go for Armor passiv.e

[Kakashis]

Indeed but I'd expect those who roll in PvE to have six actives itfp.
Suggested passives build for elixir-injected PvE'ers:
5/5 Might,
5/5 Intelligence,
5/5 Agility,
5/5 Critical.

Is there any test done on whether damage reduction elixir overrides armor passive? If it doesn't, instead of Critical a tank can go for Armor passiv.e

Still waiting on the reduction damage testing. Heck if it stacks a rogue might be better off 5% armor and also stand in a veil plus a lix XD

[GoodSyntax]

I believe a few have tested it and claim that armor does not stack, but I will test it tomorrow and post it to my main thread on this subject.

Shoot....there goes 15 plat on 3 respecs :-(

This thing is draining me dry!

[Limitational]

Someone clarify this since I keep reading different posts.
I have samael
I have a perfect archon of potency dex
so my 5/5 damage passive is useless right ? And what about my archon ? Do I have to go buy a different ring because the 2% doesn't work because of my 5% passive and Sams 10% ?

[Madnex]

Someone clarify this since I keep reading different posts.
I have samael
I have a perfect archon of potency dex
so my 5/5 damage passive is useless right ? And what about my archon ? Do I have to go buy a different ring because the 2% doesn't work because of my 5% passive and Sams 10% ?

Sam has 10% which overrides both passive 5% and of course archon's 2.5%. However, the 10% damage debuff aka PvP damage nerf makes Sam's 10% --> 0%. So passive damage 5% kicks in, now overriding archon.

Therefore, archon provides no damage boost at your current build in PvP.

[Serancha]

I believe a few have tested it and claim that armor does not stack, but I will test it tomorrow and post it to my main thread on this subject.

Shoot....there goes 15 plat on 3 respecs :-(

This thing is draining me dry!

Armor at the top of this page Curious about PvE on that though.

I am not even going to start testing armor reduction. I don't have the insanity level for that one.

[Limitational]

Sam has 10% which overrides both passive 5% and of course archon's 2.5%. However, the 10% damage debuff aka PvP damage nerf makes Sam's 10% --> 0%. So passive damage 5% kicks in, now overriding archon.

Therefore, archon provides no damage boost at your current build in PvP.

Haven't pvped since 36 cap. So sam overrides everything for pve I'm guessing?

[Madnex]

Haven't pvped since 36 cap. So sam overrides everything for pve I'm guessing?

For PvE, you may as well get rid of both passive and archon. The only thing to take note of is that when you run on 25% damage increase elixir, Sam's 10% is overriden as well. So for those cases you're better off with a non damage pet.

[GoodSyntax]

Armor at the top of this page Curious about PvE on that though.

I am not even going to start testing armor reduction. I don't have the insanity level for that one.

Fortunately for everyone, I'm a glutton.

I will be testing with 5/5 Armor passive, with Shadow Veil and with DMG Reduction Elixir (15% IIRC). So, we shall see definitively whether armor stacks or not....I suspect not, since that is what null_void implied. But, here goes 15 plat and 30k.

I'm hoping that I discover Shadow Veil stacks since it is a skill upgrade...If it does, then it's plat and gold well spent!

[Madnex]

Glad to know but if you're basing this off the first upgrade of Aimed Shot being effective you might want to consider the difference; Veil's effects show up as bufs, Aimed Shot's damage doesn't. :P

[GoodSyntax]

Aimed Shot does show up as a buff...you get the weapon icon, representing DMG buff.

Come on, keep those fingers crossed! Let a poor Rogue dream

[Classychic]

Aimed Shot does show up as a buff...you get the weapon icon, representing DMG buff.

Come on, keep those fingers crossed! Let a poor Rogue dream

I don't see a dmg buff (crossed swords) when I use Aimed shot, only the Crit buff (single upright sword).

[Serancha]

I have never seen aimed shot show as a damage buff. That is why I always beleived that upgrade was a skill feature, not a buff. But I might be wrong, I am bad at observing things outside testing.

[Madnex]

Aimed Shot does show up as a buff...you get the weapon icon, representing DMG buff.

Come on, keep those fingers crossed! Let a poor Rogue dream