i think max gold cap should be raise

[mommyjane]

You can never make people happy. On one hand, if he doesn't post pictures, he's called a fake. On the other hand, if he does post pictures, he's called a show-off.

Oi vey!

PS: Not meant to offend in this post, I'm just making a true statement.

so true :3

[falmear]

They want hooks removed from locked crates because they are now a useless item, not because they sell for so little. As for arcane eggs, all of them are still very useful so they should not be removed from crates.

When did I buy a shard for cheap? 83m for a shard is cheap? I recall your offer being a mere 2m higher. The first shards sold for 50m or so, but due to demand they have skyrocketed. I just find it extremely funny that you've made a thread complaining about the price of an arcane ring trying to find reasons to lower the price (and that was when it was 85m) and at the same time, in game, you are offering to pay these values although on forums you state that you won't.

Go try that card on someone else, Falmear.

PS: That's not to say I don't find the prices of an arcane ring ridiculous, but that is not the issue at hand. That problem results from inflation and supreme demand.

I don't really care what the price of any one item is. But I care about it reflects it in the stats. Arcane ring doesn't reflect it in the stats in my opinion, specifically for a mage. You can go back to my thread and no one disagrees with my numbers except you. And you just keep bringing up its OP for rogues with is another one of your typical strawman arguments. Which has no relevance to anything I brought up because I was talking about an arcane ring for a mage not a rogue which is why I posted it in the mages forum. But anything is OP for rogues when you factor in critical damage. If you buy shard for 83m then sell ring for 110m, then yeah its cheap. Even if you sink a ton of gold into making it exceptional. We covered this in another thread.

[Bullox]

Lol raise the Gold Cap? Why? Because a few rich Players control the complete market and make horrible Prices?

Whats the next? New Mythic Armor for 180m?????

Nearly worthless Legendaries for about 1m.... lol

The market is complete dead and broken, how should a new Player have a chance to get one good item? Farming lockeds for 2 months to get a Legendary Armor?

[Zeus]

I don't see any problem with increasing the value of existing arcane like weapons or eggs. I am sure people who open locked (which I am not one) would be happier that when they loot an arcane that is not worth so little. So you can come up with whatever imaginary strawman scenario. But I doubt prices on anything would "sky rocket" like weapons because there are already so many of them out there. You can stand in any town and find someone selling maul or hooks. Even arcane staff is very common based on how many are looted and floating around. But I wont argue your strawman because you don't work for STS and anyone can take what the devs say as how it works, twist it and create any imaginary scenario. Just because a few more shards drop, doesn't mean the end of the world. This is what we call FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_u...inty_and_doubt

Try a different strawman.

Are you kidding? Strawman? I proposed a legit scenario. Please, learn to recognize a proper strawman because this is not one.

Your joke of a solution would make weapons go higher in value. Do you really not see trends in arcane weapons? It may not be skyrocketing, but it sure is major inflation (esp. mauls).

Your solution is to test it and see what will happen, then screw up? Isn't that Microsoft?

There are already a lot of shards present, just find one. If you are not willing to pay the price, wait till they get cheaper. What would you like, every top player to have an arcane ring? I can name 10+ arcane rings in circulation right now. Compared to the L31 season, where it was difficult to name even 10 maul equipped warriors for most of the season, that's a HUGE difference.

[Jexetta]

Many people who run elites for a chance at an item worth at most 3 million gold. And the average person will take 20-30 minutes for a chance to try and earn that much. You can't expect to come on a forum and complain about taking 3 minutes to transfer 100m from one character to another character on the same account without getting some kind of backlash.

All the above being said - raising the cap on gold ties into trust (if you want to pay more than the upper trade limit of the current cap) and how much money an item is really worth. Why is talking about the price of arcane shards unreasonable in this context?

[falmear]

your out of the topic!

Ask Zeus to stop building strawmen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[mommyjane]

I boght visa card use a lot of money i get in try to buy platinum and it allwais cost eror wait 30 min some one can help tnx

it usually happens when u are buying plats on ur android device... try registering ur credit card to google wallet or itunes (if u have ios).

[Z]

Done being 3v1'd with nonsense sorry, im out.

[Daddyblu]

Maybe youre right, if im taking this the wrong way I apologize, perception is key, just looks like one of those threads.

i got a trade today 100+items

but as we all know item price change so fast. so we rather have pure gold since gold cap is only 100m your force to accept arcane eggs.

if you insist on pure gold he might run away with the extra gold once he provide you with 100m and you already give the arcane ring.

[Zeus]

Ask Zeus to stop building strawmen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Learn to recognize a straw man first.


Here's the cost explained for an arcane ring:

90-95M for a clean

95-110M for a gemmed version depending on: gem type, supers/non supers

Essentially, the price raises based on platinum cost of the ring.

A clear ring requires 260 platinum, dragonite bar, and 25 of each essence. Thus, the value of the shard to the ring is only a few mil higher to take into account the platinum cost.

A gemmed ring requires 260 platinum, dragonite bar, 25 of each essence as well as a bare minimum of 160 platinum for the normal gems. If you require all super gems, the platinum cost can range from 1000-2000 platinum depending on how lucky the individual who is gemming the ring is. Thus, if the gems are tarlok and all super gemmed, the value of the ring can skyrocket into the 100m+ region.

Maybe you do not realize it, but it does not matter if the stats are not that great on a mage because for other classes, they are. That is why the ring is worth so much. So, no matter how many threads you make trying to justify the value of the ring for a mage, it won't lower the price for that class. That was the point of my posts, I hope you can understand that.

GL in getting your arcane shard, hopefully you'll stop complaining about the price when you do.

[falmear]

Are you kidding? Strawman? I proposed a legit scenario. Please, learn to recognize a proper strawman because this is not one.

There are only 2 solutions:

1) Increase gold cap
2) Decrease the value of what you are selling to fit with in gold cap

And yes what you bring up is a strawman argument, you don't work for STS and are just a college student learning how to code. If you wrote the code and said this then said it couldn't be done then that would be one thing. But you don't so some how they are able to add a shard into the drop rate without effecting the prices on existing arcane. So I am sure they can increase the drop rate without effecting existing arcane. And even if there was a small increase the price of existing arcanes, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

[mommyjane]

Lol raise the Gold Cap? Why? Because a few rich Players control the complete market and make horrible Prices?

Whats the next? New Mythic Armor for 180m?????

Nearly worthless Legendaries for about 1m.... lol

The market is complete dead and broken, how should a new Player have a chance to get one good item? Farming lockeds for 2 months to get a Legendary Armor?

when we were just started palying al, it took us more time than the time u r giving to acquire a legendary item that we wished to have. dontcha think its normal?...as what you've said, they are new players, they must learn how to strive unless they buy plats and open locked crates but still opening locked is a gamble.

nearly legendary items worth more than 1m.. hun people are paying for its rarity and hardship to acquire thats why they cost that much.

and 180m mythic armor? lolol..do u think players who are able to control the market would be able to raise its price that much?

[Z]

Well this topic deflected from where it was intended.

[Z]

See in this arguement, you could have transfered your gold approximately 133 times.

[Zeus]

There are only 2 solutions:

1) Increase gold cap
2) Decrease the value of what you are selling to fit with in gold cap

And yes what you bring up is a strawman argument, you don't work for STS and are just a college student learning how to code. If you wrote the code and said this then said it couldn't be done then that would be one thing. But you don't so some how they are able to add a shard into the drop rate without effecting the prices on existing arcane. So I am sure they can increase the drop rate without affecting existing arcane. And even if there was a small increase the price of existing arcanes, that wouldn't be a bad thing.

I never said it couldn't be done, I proposed ways that it could be done. I also said if that they increased the rate of the shard and it was kept in the same category as the weapons, then logically, the other weapons would be looted less and the shard would be looted more.

I've already shown you the amount of shards present. If you cannot find one at a value to your liking, you really are not trying hard enough.


I explained you the arcane looting system. If the shard is to remain in the weapon category, then if they kept the arcane weapon possibility the same but specifically the shard possibility higher, than in the weapon category, it would be a higher chance to loot the shard and lower chance to loot the weapon, thus the shard would be dominating.

Case and point: chance of looting an arcane egg vs. an arcane weapon


How about you tell a solution since you are so confident?


Criticizing is one thing, actually doing something is quite another. Why don't you propose a solution for once then, Falmear, since you seem so adamant in dropping the shard's value. After all, you've made multiple attempts now, correct?

[benedri]

It write that i cant dowload it what more can help ?
usually happens when u are buying plats on ur android device... try registering ur credit card to google wallet or itunes (if u have ios).

[Jexetta]

From an outsider - It simply looks like :

1 group : Thinks prices are out of control and that increasing the gold cap is a reflection of the economy being unhealthy based on these unreasonable prices. What should instead happen, is an adjustment to drop rates to better control the flow of gold and thus eliminate the issue of 100m being the cap.

2 group : Thinks the economy is fine based on the rarity of these items and that you should have to pay this much for such rare items - the rarity isn't an issue and will resolve itself sometime in the future.

I would argue if you increase the gold cap you'll probably see an increase in the 'top gear' price.

If you remember, and nostalgia does often reside behind rose colored glasses, that when the best gear was easier to attain and a set of villainous with lifethiefs was excellent gear and fairly easy to get - I think people had a lot more fun. Increasing the gold cap in this regard I think will negatively affect the economy and gameplay - no one really wants that except the people most likely to profit.

[Zeus]

From an outsider - It simply looks like :

1 group : Thinks prices are out of control and that increasing the gold cap is a reflection of the economy being unhealthy based on these unreasonable prices. What should instead happen, is an adjustment to drop rates to better control the flow of gold and thus eliminate the issue of 100m being the cap.

2 group : Thinks the economy is fine based on the rarity of these items and that you should have to pay this much for such rare items - the rarity isn't an issue and will resolve itself sometime in the future.

I would argue if you increase the gold cap you'll probably see an increase in the 'top gear' price.

If you remember, and nostalgia does often reside behind rose colored glasses, that when the best gear was easier to attain and a set of villainous with lifethiefs was excellent gear and fairly easy to get - I think people had a lot more fun. Increasing the gold cap in this regard I think will negatively affect the economy and gameplay - no one really wants that except the people most likely to profit.

Due to inflation and crazy high demand, the price is what it is. I don't agree with it, but that's the price. Increasing the drop rate of the arcane shard will not get rid of the issue on hand, which is why it is an illogical solution.

It will only drop the value of the arcane ring/shard which is all some care about and is a very selfish decision IMO.

[Ravager]

When arcane hooks came out, it was around 3m due to the limited cap. The gold cap was raised a few times and we saw an increase in the price of hooks. I would prefer not to increase the cap. Many future items would go above the 100m. Better to make things attainable in some form or another without plat than push them further away.

[ClumsyCactus]

I dont really care about the thread, but u watch one piece? i love one piece ^^