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    Quote Originally Posted by Awesomazing View Post
    Just don't want to have mythic gear that is not tradeable and was expensive, its hard for us who don't have millions all the time.

    Kinda off topic but what about letting mythic armor be upgradeable to lvl 41?
    No. No. Absolutely not. That's not even an option. Upgrading mythics ruined the game. Making them stay the best gear for over a year has ruined it even more. Upgrading them to 41 would destroy it utterly.

    We are asking for a reason to keep logging in, playing and spending money. Having nothing to farm for, no goals to achieve and nothing to do but wait for events that cost 5 plat / run is not going to make this game have any lifespan whatsoever.
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    you keep upgrading the gear and pretty soon a character will walk around Brakenridge and mops die instantly. here's something sneaky: what if weapons/armour/ everything got better yet it wasn't any easier killing pve? sts could scale everything up. pvp is where players would have to keep up. Then again this would be bad news for new players definitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sdbigdaddy View Post
    you keep upgrading the gear and pretty soon a character will walk around Brakenridge and mops die instantly. here's something sneaky: what if weapons/armour/ everything got better yet it wasn't any easier killing pve? sts could scale everything up. pvp is where players would have to keep up. Then again this would be bad news for new players definitely.
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    Their gear system is different from other MMO's; they have Legendary, Mythic and Arcane levels.

    Every endgame gear isn't necessarily the best i.e. level 31 Maul still being used at level 41.

    Therefore, a legendary rarity cannot and will never ever be better than a Mythic rarity gear unless the level difference is quite significant i.e. 30-31 Doom, Blood worse than 41 Elondrians.

    That being said, I would never pay for a game like this. It's too based on real $$, most of the bosses are nasty and it's not fun (Paracelsus), horrible drop system (chests), the energy system, there is absolutely nothing in this game that I want to buy even to gift my friends. I have money, I'm not cheap but there is nothing...

    Yeah, it's true I can get by without paying real $$ but there isn't anything motivating me to spend $$ either, not even two dollars($2) let alone thousands ($1000)! Regardless, it's enjoyable with friends and as long as people are willing to spend money (it's their money) then STS won't ever change. You think they care if you don't like the gear? They know you will spend $$ because you can't stop and will keep spending $$.

    That's not even the real issue. I'm shaking my head at the people grinding for those vanities trying to be the best in a virtual world where nothing matters. Is your real life really that bad? You have to put your real life on hold just so you can obtain a pixel on your screen?

    Also, the leader board system is a health hazard, STS encourages it and they aren't responsible if any of you idiots drop and die. It's ok they will have made their money by then anyway.
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    If people want to run for LB for the vanities its their business, gold and dollars so reserve them real life comments for yourself.

    This said upgradeable mythic should have already be beaten by the legendary armor lootable from elite tindirin, sts said then that due to itemization system they chose to postpone that time.
    Months have past new gears have come and upgraded mythic are still the best.

    Personally i think while the endgame players want new armors sts considers the point of view from the average player who values his upgraded armor much and would probably not want anything better than it.

    BUT!

    CONCLUSION : Sts said a new mythic amulet is coming and its gonna be entirely farmable so i say why not make in future the armor and the helm available too that way, this should make both the average and endgame players satisfied.
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    Totally agree I'm not spending another dollar in arcane legends until they show me that my money is spent in a good game.

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    Another observation.


    COURAGE:

    That pet looks totally like.....a way of gathering money from the players. Probably sts is fully aware that revenue has decreased and it is decreasing.

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    Let's stay on topic please. This thread is about quality of gear, or rather, the lack of it. Not about STS wanting money or releasing vanity pets. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchist View Post
    If people want to run for LB for the vanities its their business, gold and dollars so reserve them real life comments for yourself. Speakin from a economic point of view they are wasting their gold cause if they spending 10m/day like some runners said those vanities will not cover the cost at the end of they day.

    This said upgradeable mythic should have already be beaten by the legendary armor lootable from elite tindirin, sts said then that due to itemization system they chose to postpone that time.
    Months have past new gears have come and upgraded mythic are still the best.

    Personally i think while the endgame players want new armors sts considers the point of view from the average player who values his upgraded armor much and would probably not want anything better than it.

    BUT!

    CONCLUSION : Sts said a new mythic amulet is coming and its gonna be entirely farmable so i say why not make in future the armor and the helm available too that way, this should make both the average and endgame players satisfied.
    10m/day? Whos that lol.

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    Here is the current problems with the economy:

    The current mythic helm, armor and ring have now all been available for 3-4 seasons (well over a year). That's 3 out of the 5 gear slots, and many of us have not needed a replacement for those 3 slots. Yes, some people have an arcane ring, but that is a super rare item.

    As the past year has progressed and the price of the mythic helm, armor and ring have dropped, more and more players have been able to afford to buy them. And that leaves fewer and fewer players using legendary gear in those 3 slots. So as each new season comes and goes, the potential buyers of legendary gear become fewer and fewer. So the prices on this legendary gear gets lower and lower.

    Early in season 4, when mythic armor was first released, the best legendary noble armors were still selling for 1-2m, while the mythic armor was 9-12m. I ran half of season 4 using a noble armor along with my mythic helm. The mythic helms were around 3-4m at that point, so noble helms were still 500k+.

    Now what are the best legendary armors and helms? 100K if even that?

    You will notice the legendary amulets are going for a good amount of gold. That is because they are on par, or in some cases better, than the mythic amulets.

    So yes, having the mythic helm and armor last for so long has killed the economy. At the time when the mythic upgrade quest was released in season 5, I said that it was way too easy and needed to be more of a challenge and perhaps even have some significant cost associated with it. But instead it was easy, and now you can get the best helm and armor in the game for about 1.5m combined. So what then happens to the best legendary items?

    As for weapons, really only the warrior legendary weapons are selling for decent amounts. Why is that? It's because most mages prefer guns and most rogues prefer bows. So when your best legendary gun and bow costs 1k and comes from locked crates, why would someone spend 1m+ on a staff/dagger that actually gives less damage? So prices of the farmable legendary mage and rogue weapons have suffered because of this.

    What STS should really do is either make the legendary crate items way more rare than they are (which will increase their prices proportionally, so crates openers should not be affected), or else make a slightly better legendary gun and bow that drop in elites. Then the cheap ones will be the common ones, but there will be a slightly better one available at a higher cost. Because it is ridiculous that the best gun costs 15m, but the second best gun cost 800 gold. How about something in the middle that can be farmed and maybe sold at a cost of 1-2m? The same goes for the bow.

    This could even be something that comes in a special event, or maybe drops from the arena. But it is something sorely needed in this game. The same goes for the mythic ring. The best ring cost 100m+, but the second best ring cost 700k? Where is the middle ground? It's like saying if I cannot afford a Ferrari, then instead I must ride a bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serancha View Post
    Let's stay on topic please. This thread is about quality of gear, or rather, the lack of it. Not about STS wanting money or releasing vanity pets. Thanks.
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    I didn't read correctly, rogue cost/day should be around 3/4m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizeric View Post
    Here is the current problems with the economy:

    The current mythic helm, armor and ring have now all been available for 3-4 seasons (well over a year). That's 3 out of the 5 gear slots, and many of us have not needed a replacement for those 3 slots. Yes, some people have an arcane ring, but that is a super rare item.

    As the past year has progressed and the price of the mythic helm, armor and ring have dropped, more and more players have been able to afford to buy them. And that leaves fewer and fewer players using legendary gear in those 3 slots. So as each new season comes and goes, the potential buyers of legendary gear become fewer and fewer. So the prices on this legendary gear gets lower and lower.

    Early in season 4, when mythic armor was first released, the best legendary noble armors were still selling for 1-2m, while the mythic armor was 9-12m. I ran half of season 4 using a noble armor along with my mythic helm. The mythic helms were around 3-4m at that point, so noble helms were still 500k+.

    Now what are the best legendary armors and helms? 100K if even that?

    You will notice the legendary amulets are going for a good amount of gold. That is because they are on par, or in some cases better, than the mythic amulets.

    So yes, having the mythic helm and armor last for so long has killed the economy. At the time when the mythic upgrade quest was released in season 5, I said that it was way too easy and needed to be more of a challenge and perhaps even have some significant cost associated with it. But instead it was easy, and now you can get the best helm and armor in the game for about 1.5m combined. So what then happens to the best legendary items?

    As for weapons, really only the warrior legendary weapons are selling for decent amounts. Why is that? It's because most mages prefer guns and most rogues prefer bows. So when your best legendary gun and bow costs 1k and comes from locked crates, why would someone spend 1m+ on a staff/dagger that actually gives less damage? So prices of the farmable legendary mage and rogue weapons have suffered because of this.

    What STS should really do is either make the legendary crate items way more rare than they are (which will increase their prices proportionally, so crates openers should not be affected), or else make a slightly better legendary gun and bow that drop in elites. Then the cheap ones will be the common ones, but there will be a slightly better one available at a higher cost. Because it is ridiculous that the best gun costs 15m, but the second best gun cost 800 gold. How about something in the middle that can be farmed and maybe sold at a cost of 1-2m? The same goes for the bow.

    This could even be something that comes in a special event, or maybe drops from the arena. But it is something sorely needed in this game. The same goes for the mythic ring. The best ring cost 100m+, but the second best ring cost 700k? Where is the middle ground? It's like saying if I cannot afford a Ferrari, then instead I must ride a bicycle.
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    --Give us a reason to play this game. I don't want to leave, or stop supporting you, and neither do any of these other players. But if you can't give us a decent quality product for our dollar, we will go and look elsewhere for someone who does. ---



    This statement I completely agree with. I stopped investing in the game via plat offers, or just directly buying plat because the cost of the platinum vs what I get in game, isn't worth it. The only time plat is worth the money, is for pets. Otherwise your stuck gambling on a bs locked crate.

    I play another game on console. Somewhat same idea here, free to play, with pay to win option. The difference, when I spend $20 there, I am guaranteed a high quality, useful, better-than-what-I-had item for my character. Also in a lottery style setup. They have a system of opening packets and receive an item. With the 6th or 12th pack opened, depending on if you want limited edition items, you receive a guaranteed great item. Because my money goes much further, and never feels wasted in that game, I KEEP SPENDING.

    The console game I play, just like arcane legends, has a shelf life- as in, both games won't always be around for you to play. Unlike a disc game that lasts indefinitely. When I look back on the console game I play, and CONTINUOUSLY SPEND in, will I see wasted money? Nope. When I look at arcane legends-yep, lots of wasted money.

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    If they replaced mythic gear every two seasons you guys would just complain that they're forcing you to buy plat to compete with the "elite" players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayylmao View Post
    If they replaced mythic gear every two seasons you guys would just complain that they're forcing you to buy plat to compete with the "elite" players.
    Not really, most here are asking for farmable items. Which does not necessarily need plat to do.

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    If you wanna go play another game do as you please this is a free game you are the one taking short cuts by buying platinum so I don't agree.Mythic armor is the best you just need skills and better gear and remember you are a rogue or mage so you die a lot and spend all your money on pots so stop complaining and let sts do their job

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiph View Post
    If you wanna go play another game do as you please this is a free game you are the one taking short cuts by buying platinum so I don't agree.Mythic armor is the best you just need skills and better gear and remember you are a rogue or mage so you die a lot and spend all your money on pots so stop complaining and let sts do their job
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiph View Post
    If you wanna go play another game do as you please this is a free game you are the one taking short cuts by buying platinum so I don't agree.Mythic armor is the best you just need skills and better gear and remember you are a rogue or mage so you die a lot and spend all your money on pots so stop complaining and let sts do their job
    The game's development requires people to buy plat. The staff needs to be paid since this is their job. Nothing is actually free, it's just that those who don't buy plat are covered by those who do. However, those who are buying plat need to see value for their dollar or else the system breaks. Releasing worse gear every season is not value. That's the issue.
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    I dont understand why STS only increase Armor, Armor, and Armor.

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