founder helm

[Samhayne]

i just checked my stash, i have a founders helm now.. one of the devs must have just put it in there for me, it wasnt in my stash last night.

if it was you sam. thanks

I don't see anything in your account where an item was granted and it certainly was not me. I know well better than to play favorites, otherwise we'd have to give the helm out to anyone who asked for it - and that's not going to happen.

I'd wager it was there all along and you just missed it with all the other stuff you have pack ratted in there.

[Moogerfooger]

Moog, no one said you shouldn't have to put work into the game to succeed. It's the exact opposite. The problem is when something is made available only a select few that gives an advantage/stats that no one else can get. That has nothing to do with working for it.

Oh please, Les. I could say they did "work" for it by laying the groundwork for those of who came later by bug reporting, testing, etc. There is no problem in my mind, but there is in yours. I don't see it as a 'problem' at all. I would just work harder to beat those people and DO something to offset their earned reward, instead of constantly bringing up that it has an "unfair" advantage that no one else could get, excuse me as I bust out my box of fluffy Kleenex . They are a select few for a reason and I respect they were around before me. Again, this is not SocialistTime Studios where everyone gets everything no matter what so no one's widdle feelings get hurt or they don't have some imaginary pixels or some HIGHLY OVERRATED stat boost....it is about skill, not the gear. Ask Phys (if he were around). Dude is better than 99% if not 100% of all archers and he used oranges. Gear does not make the player, but skill.

[Nightarcher]

I haven't read the whole thread and I won't. Since I was awarded a Founder's Helm, I've been strongly on the pro-helm side. And do you know why? No, not because I have one.

I agree with the Developers' decision to make the helm very selective and have a slight advantage, because otherwise it's nothing special.

When people say "it's not fair," you have no logical argument. The Devs set a requirement to be obtain the item in a game they made, so the only "unfair" thing would be giving it to someone who did not meet said requirement.

[Lesrider]

The helm has been this way since it came out. I'm just not sure why this is the hot topic of the night.

It's been discussed several times in the past. Usually ends with those of us questioning the devs' decision being called babies and whiners. We don't get any input from any devs, so the discussion dies down. Until someone new discovers the helm in-game and asks the same question and it starts all over again.

So yeah, looks like this will end the same way. But it will always be brought up again until something is done to balance it out. Someone new will always come to the forum to find out about this imbalance with the helm.

[Nightarcher]

It's been discusses several times in the past. Usually ends with those of us questioning the devs' decision being called babies and whiners. Until someone new discovers the helm in-game and asks the same question and it starts all over again.

So yeah, looks like this will end the same way. But it will always be brought up again until something is done to balance it out. Someone new will always come to the forum to find out about this imbalance with the helm.

Actually this is a pretty accurate description of almost every Founder's Helm thread.

But I would suggest one change: to those who believe there is an imbalance, try not to think of this as an opportunity to oppose a bad decision you think the Devs made. Think of it as an opportunity to concoct some other accomplishment the Devs could reward with a vanity helm having some regen or something.

Chances are, they are a lot more receptive to suggestions involving new additions, as opposed to taking away what they've added.

[Violentsaint]

I don't see anything in your account where an item was granted and it certainly was not me. I know well better than to play favorites, otherwise we'd have to give the helm out to anyone who asked for it - and that's not going to happen.

I'd wager it was there all along and you just missed it with all the other stuff you have pack ratted in there.

hmmm.. interesting... im almost 100% sure it wasnt there last night. i checked multible times :/ (then again i have like 170 items in my stash)

owell, i have it now.. problem solved




also i think the whole arguement is based around the fact that a vanity item should be just that....a vanity item..

vanity items are ment to be purely for cosmetic reasons and shouldnt include stat bonuses.. i believe thats the core arguement, i could be mistaken tho.

[Gluttony]

also i think the whole arguement is based around the fact that a vanity item should be just that....a vanity item..

vanity items are ment to be purely for cosmetic reasons and shouldnt include stat bonuses.. i believe thats the core arguement, i could be mistaken tho.

I don't think that's it at all, if it were a vanity items that everyone had access to (or something equivalent to +5 damage, +5 Armor) then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. It boils down to some are upset that this addition causes player vs player to be "unbalanced" because one player with helm has an advantage over another without. This fundamental difference was even rolled over into the winter items that only players who were around during the winter event had access to, and players cannot get now (unless it's via cs) and there are a limited supply of these items to go around. While we're at it can I rage about the fact that people have the Big Luck vanity which adds a luck elixir I cannot get it now? *rage*

Bottom line, the devs should never try to add any items that add stats (or any other "exclusive" content) to the game unless everyone can get them at any time they choose; only cosmetic items can now be implemented in order to quit the masses from crying themselves to sleep every night.

[Zeus]

Today痴 game update granted accounts that were created in April or May of 2010 and logged in during the last week this unique, class specific helm.

Puzzled as to why Violentsaint got it? He stated he was inactive during this time period. Clarification would be appreciated.

[Kingofhurtz]

Puzzled as to why Violentsaint got it? He stated he was inactive during this time period. Clarification would be appreciated.

Well I'm not sure it's like he wasn't ever going to get one if he wasn't active during that week. It's just a matter of WHEN he got one. It would be completely wrong to exclude someone from getting a helm because for example they went on vacation for a week(I realize that isn't the case here) and then came back and were denied a helm. They after all do fit the requirements for the helm... I really think I remember Sam saying something about anyone who did not log in that week would get theirs eventually through Veteran Rewards. I may be wrong though. I'll have to dig up that thread.

[jaggedlilpill]

For those who say it doesn't give any advantage, try pvping at lvl 10 or under...yeah 5 is a lot. Why have pvp if you're going to make gear that isn't obtainable to those who just joined? You will discourage new customers. And what about the droid users? It wasn't avail to them? You guys were gonna give it to us, then the apple fans whined so you put a stop to that, and now they are complaining bc everyone else is complaining? A vanity is a vanity. Either make all vanities have the same stats or take all stats off. Simplest thing to do.

[WhoIsThis]

For those who say it doesn't give any advantage, try pvping at lvl 10 or under...yeah 5 is a lot. Why have pvp if you're going to make gear that isn't obtainable to those who just joined? You will discourage new customers. And what about the droid users? It wasn't avail to them? You guys were gonna give it to us, then the apple fans whined so you put a stop to that, and now they are complaining bc everyone else is complaining? A vanity is a vanity. Either make all vanities have the same stats or take all stats off. Simplest thing to do.

+1

It isn't a big deal at the level cap, but for low level twinks ... I can see how this could be a problem.

Perhaps the founders helm should be like any other vanity item, but with an effect? Maybe a roll for extra xp or for level 56s, a bit of extra gold per kill?

[kallima]

Oh please, Les. I could say they did "work" for it by laying the groundwork for those of who came later by bug reporting, testing, etc. There is no problem in my mind, but there is in yours. I don't see it as a 'problem' at all. I would just work harder to beat those people and DO something to offset their earned reward, instead of constantly bringing up that it has an "unfair" advantage that no one else could get, excuse me as I bust out my box of fluffy Kleenex . They are a select few for a reason and I respect they were around before me. Again, this is not SocialistTime Studios where everyone gets everything no matter what so no one's widdle feelings get hurt or they don't have some imaginary pixels or some HIGHLY OVERRATED stat boost....it is about skill, not the gear. Ask Phys (if he were around). Dude is better than 99% if not 100% of all archers and he used oranges. Gear does not make the player, but skill.

I think Les has stated he doesn't PVP so it's not an issue of whether he needs to "work harder" in PVP, and I also think if Phys were around he would agree and say it is an unfair stat. Secondly, your argument about anyone "working" for the founders helm is moot because unless there is such a thing as perfection, all of us are continually improving PL with suggestions and constructive feedback.

I think it's more of the entitled attitude, PLEASE, apple users MADE PL successful? Or was it the Devs because frankly, they are the ones that CREATED the game! Big deal, apple users spent a little money and had to deal with some bugs, we still are, thank you very much. If I hear one more person say they deserve it because they invested in PL I think I will literally throw up in my mouth. I wish I had the link, but Droid users have netted and provided more income to PL than apple users period. The bottom line should speak for itself. And from everything I have read of Phys and his helpful posts, I think he would agree with Les, actually I think he has stated that, if I can find the link I will edit and insert.

I told myself I would not comment further on this topic, as it is the Devs decision and I will support it (as it is not my decision to make) but the entitled attitude that most apple users have make me sick. It didn't help that Droid users were subjected to a roller coaster ride with the announcements of "Droid users are ineligible, then they were eligible, and finally not eligible again."

[Ayrilana]

Favorite quote of his about the founder helm so far:

It's. Just. Pixels. Grow. Up.

[Nightarcher]

One thing I think the PL community is forgetting that many Mmo communities often do:

While the developers utilize and value your opinion and feedback, it's ultimately up to them as to what they think is fair and balanced. I agree as to it having an advantage especially at low levels. But the Developers want to see feedback such as:

"We think it would be more beneficial for the community if _____."

as opposed to feedback like:

"This item is unfair! The decision to do this is unfair, and it needs to be changed!"

There are three parts to how you provide feedback.

-->Part of it is the way in which you suggest a change: rude or professional.
-->Part of it is your outlook on the subject: fixing some "terrible choice" which you disagree with, or trying to bring together the community.
-->And the last part is whether you ultimately accept the Devs' final action.

[kallima]

Favorite quote of his about the founder helm so far "It's. Just. Pixels. Grow. Up:

I don't know in what context this was meant, and can't provide a link as Phys posted on several different threads about the founders helm but the above quote was directed at iOS users, just to clarify.

In this thread http://www.spacetimestudios.com/show...-founders-helm page 5, comment 47.

[Ayrilana]

I don't know in what context this was meant, and can't provide a link as Phys posted on several different threads about the founders helm but the above quote was directed at iOS users, just to clarify.

In this thread http://www.spacetimestudios.com/show...-founders-helm page 5, comment 47.

Doesn't matter what the quote was originally quoted for. It can still be applied here since people are still fighting over pixels.

[kallima]

One thing I think the PL community is forgetting that many Mmo communities often do:

While the developers utilize and value your opinion and feedback, it's ultimately up to them as to what they think is fair and balanced. I agree as to it having an advantage especially at low levels. But the Developers want to see feedback such as:

"We think it would be more beneficial for the community if _____."

as opposed to feedback like:

"This item is unfair! The decision to do this is unfair, and it needs to be changed!"

There are three parts to how you provide feedback.

-->Part of it is the way in which you suggest a change: rude or professional.
-->Part of it is your outlook on the subject: fixing some "terrible choice" which you disagree with, or trying to bring together the community.
-->And the last part is whether you ultimately accept the Devs' final action.

I think initially the feedback was constructive but after the announcement to revert back to original restrictions, Droid users began to speak from frustration. Not an excuse but an explanation.

And let me just repeat what Phys said when I was searching for a link because it is a good point. Droid users did NOT complain that iOS users received Droid antennas but iOS users complain about Droid users getting a founders helm. I think that speaks volumes in terms of the huge difference in attitudes between both platforms.

[kallima]

Doesn't matter what the quote was originally quoted for. It can still be applied here since people are still fighting over pixels.

Oh but it does, since u are included in those "people fighting over pixels." It seemed like you were trying to twist the context in which it was said which is why I provided the clarification.

[Ayrilana]

Technically there was a difference between the two situations. The founders helm was rewarding those who helped the game during its first couple months. The droid users didn't complain because they had any grounds to do so. On the other hand, the droid antennas were a celebration of droid users playing the game. It was never meant as a special gift for only droid users.

Oh but it does, since u are included in those "people fighting over pixels." It seemed like you were trying to twist the context in which it was said which is why I provided the clarification.

People were fighting over pixels then as they are now. Not much of a difference.

[Nightarcher]

I think initially the feedback was constructive but after the announcement to revert back to original restrictions, Droid users began to speak from frustration. Not an excuse but an explanation.

And let me just repeat what Phys said when I was searching for a link because it is a good point. Droid users did NOT complain that iOS users received Droid antennas but iOS users complain about Droid users getting a founders helm. I think that speaks volumes in terms of the huge difference in attitudes between both platforms.

I really don't think it's a matter of Apple vs Android. Sure, it has a little part in it as Android didn't have the app at the beginning, but many of the people on iDevices didn't get one either.

PL is about connecing people in an online MMO, and I think that last paragraph was very unwise in that it divides the community in half. Who cares what phone you have? If anything, Droids users should be honored that a special line of antenna vanities were made welcoming them into the game. Had it been originally an Android app, things would be a lot different. So judge based on the person, not a large sweeping generalization.