1.7.3 Content Update (67807)

[Whirlzap]

Meh...

It's like when Lovenus did that 160 Crit trick.
-./ this is why dual spec need fix.

[Coltona]

It's like when Lovenus did that 160 Crit trick.
-./ this is why dual spec need fix.

Lovenus posted it, it was a pic of Physiologic's stats.

And i say leave it!! Fix the lower items to match, but other than that...this is awesome!! BTW is it permanent?

[elianel]

it was fun boosting i know but nothing good can be forever

[SamTheDog]

I understand SL has caused the change in PL. Can't be helped. What's to plan to fix things across the spectrum in PL? 'Cause it pretty much stinks for anyone trying to play a balanced hybrid or dual spec if they aren't playing end-game. If you are going to drop the stat req for end game equip, you oughta make it a blanket change and do it for the lower levels as well. For pures it doesn't matter because a stat that improves their skills lets them get the armor/weapons for their class. But my pally can't use her frozen hatchet without renaming lightning bolt to static cling. Why bother?

[KingFu]

It's like when Lovenus did that 160 Crit trick.
-./ this is why dual spec need fix.

With that kind of trick I can get my armor to 218 and crit to 80 ish but the buffs don't last long...

[Samhayne]

I understand SL has caused the change in PL. Can't be helped. What's to plan to fix things across the spectrum in PL? 'Cause it pretty much stinks for anyone trying to play a balanced hybrid or dual spec if they aren't playing end-game. If you are going to drop the stat req for end game equip, you oughta make it a blanket change and do it for the lower levels as well. For pures it doesn't matter because a stat that improves their skills lets them get the armor/weapons for their class. But my pally can't use her frozen hatchet without renaming lightning bolt to static cling. Why bother?

We want to evaluate the change of the high level stuff before we commit to changing thousands of more items. That's not to say that we won't - just that we want to make sure we're doing the best we can. We'll weigh in more early next week.

[Samhayne]

Ok, why does a level 50 Gaurdian's Armor of Hate have a level 115 Str requirement, but a level 40 Mynas Plate Mail of Thoth requires 127 Str?

Your changes actually helped me to dual spec to better items, but it is strange that items below level 45 have higher requirements than level 50 items.

We only changed items for levels 45 and up. Lower level items will be looked at more next week.

[Elixir_Withdrawal]

I understand SL has caused the change in PL. Can't be helped. What's to plan to fix things across the spectrum in PL? 'Cause it pretty much stinks for anyone trying to play a balanced hybrid or dual spec if they aren't playing end-game. If you are going to drop the stat req for end game equip, you oughta make it a blanket change and do it for the lower levels as well. For pures it doesn't matter because a stat that improves their skills lets them get the armor/weapons for their class. But my pally can't use her frozen hatchet without renaming lightning bolt to static cling. Why bother?

Yeah and like another person said, it makes no sense for a lvl 40 item to require 124+STR when lvl 50 death weapons need just 115...Im lvling up anyway but my goals were to just be lvl 50+ and make a few pvp accounts but now thats over. I hope its not permanent because its just boring now. Taking off stat stacking has caused more negative feed back than the reason why it even was in question. Just my thought but im one person right? who cares...

[superrolltop]

Taking off stat stacking has caused more negative feed back than the reason why it even was in question.

quote of this thread!

destroy an entire niche/aspect of the game because a few people cried about the leaderboard....absolutely genius.

how much platinum ya'll make off the leaderboard anyway?

[Windboot]

Sam, why u guys keep making player becomes weaker? I think its already pretty hard for us that even a max lvl player can't solo an elite boss in sewer. :/

[Physiologic]

Sam, why u guys keep making player becomes weaker? I think its already pretty hard for us that even a max lvl player can't solo an elite boss in sewer. :/

The game is an MMORPG. The second letter stands for multiplayer

[superrolltop]

so the name of a game genre dictates how we have to play the game?

sry all knowing one....i didn't realize that

[Physiologic]

so the name of a game genre dictates how we have to play the game?

sry all knowing one....i didn't realize that

Yes.

[superrolltop]

to your point, multiplayer doesn't necessarily mean u have to play together....now does it? pocket empires, a large MMO strategy game (notice the MM in there?) that u play by yourself OR in collusion with others....this is left up to the user. now ur contending that just because the genre is described as multiplayer that we must be forced to play with other players...really comrade? have u ever played with pugs?

so rather than have a game with a wider playability to appeal to broader base, its been decided to continually add limitations and restrict the possibilities why....because its called an MMORPG? great argument there....hope u can explain that a little better.

for instance....now level one twinking is dead because u had to apply some meaning to the leaderboard...which is already skewed and damage already done. so what did your little rant accomplish? it limits the number of kills one can obtain unless they go to end game. if kills for an endgame player counted in forest haven, u might have had a point. is the fact that a low level toon puts in the time to kill farm make those kills any less important than doing it in the sewers, where the relative strength of the mobs to toon strength is about the same? but the leaderboard is meaningful, even at the cost of ruining many players game experience.

sorry if i dont wanna deal with a buncha immature kids while im trying to enjoy the game....i prefer to play alone or with my wife. if playing with other players is mandatory, why have a boot button? judgin by some responses to the recent update, i know im not the only one who feels this way. the things i loved about this game have gone the way of the dinosaur, and as a result will only affect the revenue stream that consistently flows in from players like me who have the money to buy plat at will.

this is what happens when companies get too big for their britches....they make decisions based on revenue and profit margins rather than whats best for the game. but like any product that costs real money, if i dont like the product or the direction its going, i can relate my disapproval with my wallet. a buncha kids who play on mommies phone aint supporting the game at the rate players like me are.

[SamTheDog]

We want to evaluate the change of the high level stuff before we commit to changing thousands of more items. That's not to say that we won't - just that we want to make sure we're doing the best we can. We'll weigh in more early next week.

I guess it makes sense to try it out on a smaller group of items. Will continue to muddle through until ot gets worked out. Bet you guys are wishing this had reared it's ugly head during testing.

Thanks for the response

[Windboot]

I think multiplayer doesn't really mean you have to play with other players all the time. In some other MMO games, a max level player can solo an elite boss to farm for goodies. Its like, whats the point of the super hard grinding if you can't do anything with your max level? And now we have limitation for the dual spec, and you can't farm kills anymore. I max level everything, I wear the best equipment, so what to do now? I only play to check friends and to farm kills which I won't be able to do now.

[Ellyidol]

Lol, twinking being prioritized over the end-game content or play style isn't right, IMO.

Sure, twinks are very badly affected by the change. But Sam just said that lower level items will be looked at soon.

Maybe it's time to change your mindsets, that dual spec-ing becomes more and more available as you get higher leveled.

Yes there should be less priority on the twinking aspect and population (not discrimination, just priority). The game was made to play through, twinking is just a clever way to experience the lower level content again, it's not what the game is about.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against twinking - I have a few myself. It's when people expect the game to change and cater towards twinking when it's supposed to be twinking changing to the game.

[Elf-Orc-Naga]

Thanks for that positive comments. I am a fan of twinking. I think this offers lots of variations that you can pvp on lower lvl. Its players choice. I have already 3 56 chars as what many players does then surprised that twinking is also fun. Spending almost all lvl 5 plat wep etc but now theyre useless... Btw, my proposal, can we rollback client for 1 day ? And let me wear my dual fightng gear? If players are just only aware of this issue first....

[Elf-Orc-Naga]

Sorry but im not complaining i just want info. Are there changes in rings lvl requirement? I have around 10 rings lvl 10

[JaytB]

Thanks for that positive comments. I am a fan of twinking. I think this offers lots of variations that you can pvp on lower lvl. Its players choice. I have already 3 56 chars as what many players does then surprised that twinking is also fun. Spending almost all lvl 5 plat wep etc but now theyre useless... Btw, my proposal, can we rollback client for 1 day ? And let me wear my dual fightng gear? If players are just only aware of this issue first....

I played your level 5 right? Anyway, although short, I agree that was loads of fun. I have loads of twinks, lv5 to 30, each 5 lvls apart. And although I'm not completely satisfied with what happened, I'm sure the devs will come up with a solution. In the mean time, it's not like twinking is dead or anything, it's just the dual spec aspect of it. Give it some time I'd say.

The way I see it, this opens a great time to experiment with the way things currently are. The valid arguments I read here about the definition of an MMO, made me think about this. Although I really like playing with friends, I also like to solo a lot. Now, we could probably make our chars stronger then ever, with mixing up gear. It might prove to be even more enjoyable. And instead of fixing it, it actually could be a breeze of fresh air in Alterra. More choices and possibilities to make your char stronger might imbalance things, but might make the game even more fun. I don't know, I guess I'm just trying to express my thoughts about the whole debacle