Time has come, Need to re-balance

[Waug]

Time has come to update specific algorithm/mechanics/equations that impacts pvp as well as pve. I think STS using same mechanism as it was when game was first released, back than as well as low to mid level stats mechanism (dodge, crit etc.) is/was perfectly balanced but as the game approaches to end game continusly it got imbalanced in few aspects :-

The hit % got saturated ages ago, the consequence is str players are dodging way much against everyone mid to endgame and birds are failing to do what they suppose/meant to do as a pure bird should deliver the highest damage than any other class overall, including the part where they should get less dodged due to their superb high hit percentage, for example a str Bear should dodge less against a player whose hit percentage is pretty much high, say a pure dex bird or a mage( pure mages hit % is also more than 100 at these levels) who thinks a bear is dodging high, so she could distribute her extra point to dex, so that a str could dodge less against her. The pattern should be like this, bear dodge against bear, then bear dodge less against mages and bear dodge more less against birds. to be specific, it's not about bear, bird or mages it's all about dodge and hit % But all these things have no value since hit % got capped already. This is the basic reason why dodge has overtaken everything mid to endgame, dodge is not capped yet, so dodgers are getting benefited, but the dodge killer got saturated. As dodge is also approaches to its cap, if Devs decide that they wont add more dodge on upcoming sets, which is not expected then obviously in near future they must have to balance this things if they decide not to do it now otherwise imagine the situation when a bear will dodge 10 hits out of 10 which will be pointless. Lastly it's may looks like bird oriented but its not, It would greatly impact each and every class and specially solve most of the endgame imbalance issues.

Similarly crit for mages got saturated, so their extra crit >100 is total fake, cause they already critting nearly 10 hits out of 10, if not get dodged. But the thing is that it's not so much important as hit % capping.

-thanks for reading, sorry for bad english.





Summary

I'm not talking about any additional advantage or demanding something that should be implemented in pvp rather I'm saying more like what STS forgetting/ignoring to do something, that they must have to do as level cap approaches. Nearly everyone would agree with this point that dodge has ruined the endgame pvp, I'm not saying anything different from it, rather I just pointed out the reason that why dodge got overpowered, and the reason is, dodge got overpowered cause 'dodge killer (hit %)' got saturated/capped/stucked at 100 so as new level caps comes dodge get increased as dodge killer also increased but without it's own effect, the work of killing dodges, simply the consequence is dodge is getting op and op-er as level cap approaches so sts must have to do something sooner or latter. That's all.

[Energizeric]

Everyone keeps talking about the high dodge that bears have, but I don't see it. When I'm fully buffed I got 77% dodge. Sounds like a lot, but in PVP I get hit constantly while I'm fully buffed. Seems like most hits are still hitting me, I just tend to survive because I got close to 900 health and good armor (around 315). So it takes around 3-4 hits from a mage to kill me. But the dodge is obviously getting offset by some buff or debuff that they got. Same with birds too, they hit me most of the time when I'm buffed. I thought it was because of the high hit%. I figured if someone got 150% hit, and someone else got 50% dodge, then do the math and they hit 75%. But your'e saying that anything over 100% is useless. I can't imagine it works that way. I got 101% hit and I miss constantly, which is probably my greatest weakness in pvp.

[Seminole]

Everyone keeps talking about the high dodge that bears have, but I don't see it. When I'm fully buffed I got 77% dodge. Sounds like a lot, but in PVP I get hit constantly while I'm fully buffed. Seems like most hits are still hitting me, I just tend to survive because I got close to 900 health and good armor (around 315). So it takes around 3-4 hits from a mage to kill me. But the dodge is obviously getting offset by some buff or debuff that they got. Same with birds too, they hit me most of the time when I'm buffed. I thought it was because of the high hit%. I figured if someone got 150% hit, and someone else got 50% dodge, then do the math and they hit 75%. But your'e saying that anything over 100% is useless. I can't imagine it works that way. I got 101% hit and I miss constantly, which is probably my greatest weakness in pvp.

I tested this and found that birds hit the same as mages. As long as the hit percent is above 100 it makes no difference. Bears dodge is insanely high. Crit is insanely high for all classes. Time for a serious rebalance in this game. As well as a nerf to str sets.

[Elyseon]

Actually if you notice dmg/crit the rolls have reversed
At 55 the enchanted staff set provided more dmg than custom recurve set which focused on crit more than dmg
Imo current sets have too many attributes and sts should try to keep weaknesses
For example a str set really shouldnt have more than 8 m/s and really should get a crit and dodge boost 1 or other
Int should be more dmg focuses and not have any crit perks since they already have the highest crit buff
Dex is actually very well suited this cap although people complain about the lack of dodge i really dont think it would be necesaryy especially if the needed armour buff was added to all classes/sets
Also obv the scythe is kinda ridiculous
Definately could use a reduction with almost as much power as a bow

Also as i was saying about the staff int set
Now dex have become the highest dmg because really in pvp it is the only set that can be played with 2h weapons very well

[Waug]

I got 101% hit and I miss constantly

cuz of hit debuff.

[Deadbite]

I figured since bows have a clear disadvantage in PvP and talons are the better option. I figure lets help the bow out!!! My idea is to keep the all the stats the same but increase the bows range to 12m (skill range) and farther out! I mean it would make the bow a more pleasing option and maybe calm a few of the birds (including me) that just hate how amazingly powerful that str set is... By giving the bow birds a better chance to compete with the amazing talons.

My 2 cents about birds and dex.

[razerfingers]

I figured since bows have a clear disadvantage in PvP and talons are the better option. I figure lets help the bow out!!! My idea is to keep the all the stats the same but increase the bows range to 12m (skill range) and farther out! I mean it would make the bow a more pleasing option and maybe calm a few of the birds (including me) that just hate how amazingly powerful that str set is... By giving the bow birds a better chance to compete with the amazing talons.

My 2 cents about birds and dex.

theres no disadvantage with bows in pvp i can drop a full dex talon user by kiting. repulse run comeback root blast they dead :P and i have l73 flying hel angelic armor and l75 flying bow. i have fun but talon bird if they're good they two shot me with skills lol getting 400+ crit in one shot

[Honney]

I figured since bows have a clear disadvantage in PvP and talons are the better option. I figure lets help the bow out!!! My idea is to keep the all the stats the same but increase the bows range to 12m (skill range) and farther out! I mean it would make the bow a more pleasing option and maybe calm a few of the birds (including me) that just hate how amazingly powerful that str set is... By giving the bow birds a better chance to compete with the amazing talons.

My 2 cents about birds and dex.

your kidding right

[WarTornBird]

I don't feel like sts cares about the PvP side as much as PvE. PvP doesn't bring in near the revenue that PvE does.
It sucks to say, I'd be very suprised if this was even a though put through the head. If anyone, Techno.

[MightyMicah]

I don't feel like sts cares about the PvP side as much as PvE. PvP doesn't bring in near the revenue that PvE does.
It sucks to say, I'd be very suprised if this was even a though put through the head. If anyone, Techno.

No offense but I don't think you quite know what you're talking about. Studies have shown that the gamers that spend the most and do the most to support the game are the active pvpers.

I suppose it's true that because there are so many more pve players than pvp, it's possible that the overall revenue generated from Pve could surpass that of pvp. However, sts' goal should not be to ignore pvp. Their goal will be to convert as many pve players to pvp players as they can. That way, according to the statistics, they will be making even more money.

Personally, I think sts is waiting to see if PL will stay popular as they release new titles. If it doesn't, then there is no need for them to waste time and money improving a game. If it does, and they still see good chance to make good money, then I am 100% positive that PL pvp WILL get balanced again.

I'm not so sure, though, that PL is popular enough to mess with.

[XghostzX]

Just thought I'd chime in (haven't read every post), but any hit percent over 100 is obsolete. The only legit reason to have a hit percent over 100 is if you get debuffed... nonetheless, dodge always kills me.

[Gaunab]

Just thought I'd chime in (haven't read every post), but any hit percent over 100 is obsolete. The only legit reason to have a hit percent over 100 is if you get debuffed... nonetheless, dodge always kills me.

If intmages only had 100 hit (and not 150+) they would literally hit nothing. lv9 hellscream and blind both debuff 60% at 12m range stomp another 30%. As i stated somewhere else, I think mages should have around 100-120 hit and the debuffs should do no more then -30. otherwise any fight vs str is just about hitting blind/hellscream first.

[XghostzX]

If intmages only had 100 hit (and not 150+) they would literally hit nothing. lv9 hellscream and blind both debuff 60% at 12m range stomp another 30%. As i stated somewhere else, I think mages should have around 100-120 hit and the debuffs should do no more then -30. otherwise any fight vs str is just about hitting blind/hellscream first.

Oh for sure, I totally agree with you. I think it's just dumb having so much hit% when those numbers above 100% (non including debuff skills) don't matter.

[Elyseon]

I don't feel like sts cares about the PvP side as much as PvE. PvP doesn't bring in near the revenue that PvE does.
It sucks to say, I'd be very suprised if this was even a though put through the head. If anyone, Techno.

Cuz they dont make any new stuff that costs for pvp
The main reason people cap/play pve is for pvp tho

[Enigeax]

Boycott plat till there's a change. Actually just boycott pl all together.

[Vilified]

Boycott plat till there's a change. Actually just boycott pl all together.

Yah I already quit buying plat sts is obviously focusing more on money than making the game better you can claim its the costs of running the game or whatever but we know your making more money than you should you started out appearing to be a great company from my understanding but that was just to get started and now that you've got a decent following your raising costs of everything and releasing updates that make bank instead of ones that fix the game off the top of my head I can think of atleast 10 easy fixes and additions you need but have neglected to follow through on but this post is already to log and probably won't be read anyway so I'm not gonna waste time listing them

You might be making a lot of money now but once you destroy your customer base there's no fixing it, think in terms of the long run and fix your game...... Wow didn't get where it is pulling this crap neither will you

[Energizeric]

Yah I already quit buying plat sts is obviously focusing more on money than making the game better you can claim its the costs of running the game or whatever but we know your making more money than you should you started out appearing to be a great company from my understanding but that was just to get started and now that you've got a decent following your raising costs of everything and releasing updates that make bank instead of ones that fix the game off the top of my head I can think of atleast 10 easy fixes and additions you need but have neglected to follow through on but this post is already to log and probably won't be read anyway so I'm not gonna waste time listing them

You might be making a lot of money now but once you destroy your customer base there's no fixing it, think in terms of the long run and fix your game...... Wow didn't get where it is pulling this crap neither will you

How do you know they are making more money than they should? Maybe for the first 2 years they lost money every month. That is how it is with most startups. They lose money at the beginning and only survive because they had the initial investment. But after a couple of years they must become profitable or they won't survive. Unless you've seen their financial books, you don't know this.

Yes, lots of companies start by charging low prices for their services, and then raise the price later one. Usually it's because they must do so in order to become profitable.

[Elyseon]

Shud maek staff maeg moar pleybul

[Waug]

Yeah, in pve it's not that much prominent as mobs and bosses tends to have more hp and armor rather dodges.

[Elyseon]

I thino most mobs in bsm have around 20 dodge
The wierd mage thing seem to have a bit more maybe 30