Improve/Fix Seasonal Dungeon Leaderboards

Suggestion: Improve/Fix the Seasonal Leaderboards (Elite Campaign Maps)

Right now, the seasonal leaderboards for timed elite campaign dungeons are heavily skewed in favor of players with extremely rare and expensive gear. This means only a small percentage of the player base has any realistic shot at competing, which shuts out the majority of players.

As a result, we keep seeing the same group of players dominating the top runs every season.

My suggestion:
Instead of ranking players based on the fastest timed runs run basically requires top-tier gear—why not rank the leaderboard by the number of Elite dungeon kills (non-timed) for each campaign dungeon map?

This would:
• Give more players a fair shot at climbing the leaderboard
• Reward consistency and effort over just gear
• Encourage players to grow stronger and push into harder content
• Give more incentive to go after elite dungeon achievements

It would shift the focus from pure speed and gear checks to actual engagement with the game, and I think it’d make seasonal competition more accessible and fun for everyone.

Why would someone run that long bracken map no loot for a temporary seasonal badge lol

for a chance to win a seasonal Leaderboard Banner. as it is now these banners are almost exclusively for a very little percentage of the playerbase.
my suggestion would prevent the same players from always getting the banneres because of gear. and allow everyone a chance for a cool limited banner.

How about improving your gears and skills? That would work even better.

Just limit each name to be on the timed leaderboard only once per map. Now the top 10 are all the same 3-5 people with 0.01 second improvements all the way to #1. I doubt they'll transfer their gear to 10 alts to get similar times another 10 times, although there are some ego's...

because the gear you need for the current timed leaderboard runs, require insane amounts of time for a non p2p player to aquire. so unless you have alot of spare time and can grind for hundreds of hours for alooong time.
its not realistic for most players to get such gear.

and i get that the top players want some sort of reward for being rich but there are other seasonal leaderboards aswell.

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Originally Posted by Udots

Suggestion: Improve/Fix the Seasonal Leaderboards (Elite Campaign Maps)

Right now, the seasonal leaderboards for timed elite campaign dungeons are heavily skewed in favor of players with extremely rare and expensive gear. This means only a small percentage of the player base has any realistic shot at competing, which shuts out the majority of players.

As a result, we keep seeing the same group of players dominating the top runs every season.

My suggestion:
Instead of ranking players based on the fastest timed runs run basically requires top-tier gear—why not rank the leaderboard by the number of Elite dungeon kills (non-timed) for each campaign dungeon map?

This would:
• Give more players a fair shot at climbing the leaderboard
• Reward consistency and effort over just gear
• Encourage players to grow stronger and push into harder content
• Give more incentive to go after elite dungeon achievements

It would shift the focus from pure speed and gear checks to actual engagement with the game, and I think it’d make seasonal competition more accessible and fun for everyone.

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So your idea is to run Elite Brackenridge forest 20,000 times during entire season to have a shot instead of actually competing in timed runs yourself? Anything but actually competing.

People trying to decrease the competitivness and diffculty of the leaderboards just to score something - part 534.

Nothing "shuts out majority of the players". Figure out yourself what to do on maps and how to achieve the times that are being set. It's a leaderboard after all not free hugs event.

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Originally Posted by Udots

Suggestion: Improve/Fix the Seasonal Leaderboards (Elite Campaign Maps)

Right now, the seasonal leaderboards for timed elite campaign dungeons are heavily skewed in favor of players with extremely rare and expensive gear. This means only a small percentage of the player base has any realistic shot at competing, which shuts out the majority of players.

As a result, we keep seeing the same group of players dominating the top runs every season.

My suggestion:
Instead of ranking players based on the fastest timed runs run basically requires top-tier gear—why not rank the leaderboard by the number of Elite dungeon kills (non-timed) for each campaign dungeon map?

This would:
• Give more players a fair shot at climbing the leaderboard
• Reward consistency and effort over just gear
• Encourage players to grow stronger and push into harder content
• Give more incentive to go after elite dungeon achievements

It would shift the focus from pure speed and gear checks to actual engagement with the game, and I think it’d make seasonal competition more accessible and fun for everyone.

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if the gear is the case why won’t you compete on non ms maps such as Kraken 2 [Southern Seas] ?
oh wait let me guess, you never stepped a foot in a map before making this thread…

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

Just limit each name to be on the timed leaderboard only once per map. Now the top 10 are all the same 3-5 people with 0.01 second improvements all the way to #1. I doubt they'll transfer their gear to 10 alts to get similar times another 10 times, although there are some ego's...

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This is literally the only right solution. It's crazy this is not the standard.

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

This is literally the only right solution. It's crazy this is not the standard.

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How exactly would that sort out anything? If I want to score a map I could just do everything on my main alt with different people. Logic beyond comprehension, seriously.

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Originally Posted by Udots

Suggestion: Improve/Fix the Seasonal Leaderboards (Elite Campaign Maps)

Right now, the seasonal leaderboards for timed elite campaign dungeons are heavily skewed in favor of players with extremely rare and expensive gear. This means only a small percentage of the player base has any realistic shot at competing, which shuts out the majority of players.

As a result, we keep seeing the same group of players dominating the top runs every season.

My suggestion:
Instead of ranking players based on the fastest timed runs run basically requires top-tier gear—why not rank the leaderboard by the number of Elite dungeon kills (non-timed) for each campaign dungeon map?

This would:
• Give more players a fair shot at climbing the leaderboard
• Reward consistency and effort over just gear
• Encourage players to grow stronger and push into harder content
• Give more incentive to go after elite dungeon achievements

It would shift the focus from pure speed and gear checks to actual engagement with the game, and I think it’d make seasonal competition more accessible and fun for everyone.

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timed lb is meant to be challenging, in other words it’s not for everyone. It’s ok to be bad at the game (:

lb runners spend a lot if money specially to run those maps

what makes you say it’s not fair? just put as much time, money and effort like them

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Originally Posted by |Ares|

So your idea is to run Elite Brackenridge forest 20,000 times during entire season to have a shot instead of actually competing in timed runs yourself? Anything but actually competing.

People trying to decrease the competitivness and diffculty of the leaderboards just to score something - part 534.

Nothing "shuts out majority of the players". Figure out yourself what to do on maps and how to achieve the times that are being set. It's a leaderboard after all not free hugs event.

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Everyone should have a chance at running leaderboard. i get what you think about people complaining and trying to get more free stuff without much work. but there are plenty of ways to show how strong you are on multiple other leaderboards.
besides that the only reward is a banner for each season you secure a top dungeon run.

People who are able to secure monthly top runs on each map will not be missing out on banners. Instead they can focus on just 1 map for each season, giving room for others to get one.

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

Just limit each name to be on the timed leaderboard only once per map. Now the top 10 are all the same 3-5 people with 0.01 second improvements all the way to #1. I doubt they'll transfer their gear to 10 alts to get similar times another 10 times, although there are some ego's...

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Originally Posted by |Ares|

How exactly would that sort out anything? If I want to score a map I could just do everything on my main alt with different people. Logic beyond comprehension, seriously.

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Hence the 'ego' part I mentioned earlier. You don't seem to understand.

If you want to 'score' a map, thats fine. Then do so on your main with your group of speedrunners to get the badge or whatever. No one in their right mind would then stash their gear to another 10 warriors to gatekeep the entire leaderboard for that map.

Scoring a #2 score in a party of 4, with 3 different people and yourself while you are already on #1 should get disqualified. You are already on the leaderboard, essentially letting your buddies leech a high score with a strong player. Players should fend for themselves. If it were up to me I'd keep it even more fair by letting only 1 name per class score per device/IP, or you'll get the same situation with event leaderboards like the Temple Event, 1 person scoring 5 top 10s on all his rogue alts with the same gear. No thanks. We don't need that.

If you really are a good player, you will get #1 either way. No need to ruin it for others by placeholdering the entire leaderboard with your name or alts 10 times over. Hell, I'll even propose the #1 of each map to get a golden badge instead of a silver one, just to please the elitist players by not being able to gatekeep entire maps anymore after a change like this. Only way you'll be against this is (and there it is again) having an ego so large you'll only wish to see yourself and your buddies succeed at the cost of others getting some recognition for being 2nd-10th or even 25th best.

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Originally Posted by Udots

Everyone should have a chance at running leaderboard. i get what you think about people complaining and trying to get more free stuff without much work. but there are plenty of ways to show how strong you are on multiple other leaderboards.
besides that the only reward is a banner for each season you secure a top dungeon run.

People who are able to secure monthly top runs on each map will not be missing out on banners. Instead they can focus on just 1 map for each season, giving room for others to get one.

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Even that “3-5 people” let you take a one spot are you even able to take that spot from others?

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

Hence the 'ego' part I mentioned earlier. You don't seem to understand.

If you want to 'score' a map, thats fine. Then do so on your main with your group of speedrunners to get the badge or whatever. No one in their right mind would then stash their gear to another 10 warriors to gatekeep the entire leaderboard for that map.

Scoring a #2 score in a party of 4, with 3 different people and yourself while you are already on #1 should get disqualified. You are already on the leaderboard, essentially letting your buddies leech a high score with a strong player. Players should fend for themselves. If it were up to me I'd keep it even more fair by letting only 1 name per class score per device/IP, or you'll get the same situation with event leaderboards like the Temple Event, 1 person scoring 5 top 10s on all his rogue alts with the same gear. No thanks. We don't need that.

If you really are a good player, you will get #1 either way. No need to ruin it for others by placeholdering the entire leaderboard with your name or alts 10 times over. Hell, I'll even propose the #1 of each map to get a golden badge instead of a silver one, just to please the elitist players by not being able to gatekeep entire maps anymore after a change like this. Only way you'll be against this is (and there it is again) having an ego so large you'll only wish to see yourself and your buddies succeed at the cost of others getting some recognition for being 2nd-10th or even 25th best.

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Originally Posted by yusufculha

timed lb is meant to be challenging, in other words it’s not for everyone. It’s ok to be bad at the game (:

lb runners spend a lot if money specially to run those maps

what makes you say it’s not fair? just put as much time, money and effort like them

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yea but there are other leaderboards.
but why should only the top % of players be able to get a seasonal banner?
the current system rewards only the very rich and pay to play people.

you think im just complaining because i am "bad" at the game, but to get the gear you would need without paying buying platinum, would take hundreds of hours! people should be able to compete without first having to grind/pay their way to the top.

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Originally Posted by Udots

yea but there are other leaderboards.
but why should only the top % of players be able to get a seasonal banner?
the current system rewards only the very rich and pay to play people.

you think im just complaining because i am "bad" at the game, but to get the gear you would need without paying buying platinum, would take hundreds of hours! people should be able to compete without first having to grind/pay their way to the top.

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Not how it works buddy, work your way through like everyone else did. Hundreds of hours is what took to get some of the records done properly. Stop downplaying everything for the sake of adjusting leaderboards to the lowest standards to have a chance at anything.

Most of the top ppl got thousands of hours, how is that fair if someone who just started can compete right away? Also the billions spent on gears and awakes.
if you get the #1 score you get yourself a banner

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Originally Posted by yusufculha

Even that “3-5 people” let you take a one spot are you even able to take that spot from others?

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im not sure you read my entire post but, the idea is the lower the difficulty for campaing map leaderboards. to allow more players to compete.
and also changing the system that currently favors only the richest, to allow newer players to have a chance.
the top players will spend then spend their time focusing on 1 leaderboard position instead of every map.

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

Hence the 'ego' part I mentioned earlier. You don't seem to understand.

If you want to 'score' a map, thats fine. Then do so on your main with your group of speedrunners to get the badge or whatever. No one in their right mind would then stash their gear to another 10 warriors to gatekeep the entire leaderboard for that map.

Scoring a #2 score in a party of 4, with 3 different people and yourself while you are already on #1 should get disqualified. You are already on the leaderboard, essentially letting your buddies leech a high score with a strong player. Players should fend for themselves. If it were up to me I'd keep it even more fair by letting only 1 name per class score per device/IP, or you'll get the same situation with event leaderboards like the Temple Event, 1 person scoring 5 top 10s on all his rogue alts with the same gear. No thanks. We don't need that.

If you really are a good player, you will get #1 either way. No need to ruin it for others by placeholdering the entire leaderboard with your name or alts 10 times over. Hell, I'll even propose the #1 of each map to get a golden badge instead of a silver one, just to please the elitist players by not being able to gatekeep entire maps anymore after a change like this. Only way you'll be against this is (and there it is again) having an ego so large you'll only wish to see yourself and your buddies succeed at the cost of others getting some recognition for being 2nd-10th or even 25th best.

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What are you even on about? Disqualifying people from top spot because I would be somewhere else on the leaderboard already? Absolutely hilarious.
Elite dungeons or crypts are literally 1 slot record wise anyway. Hauntlet and Arena have multiple and different teams formed as well.
Matter of a fact you also seem clueless on a matter in terms of how things are organized. Besides If I were there to have the aferomentioned "ego" I wouldnt be giving you tips on how to complete stacked curses on rogue week or two ago (assuming you got the same game ign as here) and gatekept that to myself as well.

Stuff like Hydra, orrick, ekenta, hedourah are insanely easy to get but then again - you need to know how to do it right?
Just like Cinco mentioned before, if you can't beat something it's pretty much skill issue. Work on that.

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Originally Posted by |Ares|

Not how it works buddy, work your way through like everyone else did. Hundreds of hours is what took to get some of the records done properly. Stop downplaying everything for the sake of adjusting leaderboards to the lowest standards to have a chance at anything.

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this mindset is horrible for the game. I get the top % wants to protect their "reputation" or whatever. But this way is just so bad for making the game bigger and getting new players interested.
having the top% gatekeep every map each season is just plainly unfair and unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Udots

this mindset is horrible for the game. I get the top % wants to protect their "reputation" or whatever. But this way is just so bad for making the game bigger and getting new players interested.
having the top% gatekeep every map each season is just plainly unfair and unbalanced.

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Work for it like everyone else did is a horrible mindset? Good luck then buddy.

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Originally Posted by |Ares|

What are you even on about? Disqualifying people from top spot because I would be somewhere else on the leaderboard already? Absolutely hilarious.
Elite dungeons or crypts are literally 1 slot record wise anyway. Hauntlet and Arena have multiple and different teams formed as well.
Matter of a fact you also seem clueless on a matter in terms of how things are organized. Besides If I were there to have the aferomentioned "ego" I wouldnt be giving you tips on how to complete stacked curses on rogue week or two ago (assuming you got the same game ign as here) and gatekept that to myself as well.

Stuff like Hydra, orrick, ekenta, hedourah are insanely easy to get but then again - you need to know how to do it right?
Just like Cinco mentioned before, if you can't beat something it's pretty much skill issue. Work on that.

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No need to make personal attacks just because you're offended and deviating from the core problem with leaderboards in this game. Yes, I think every name should be on the leaderboard only once per map per party, no need keeping the #1 AND #2 - #10 in my eyes, that is ridiculous. It's simply said just not fair and not how multiplayer map leaderboards should work.

You're right that some leaderboards require skill, and they also require tens of bills in gear. Just because leaderboards are hard and require effort shouldn't make 5 people being able to keep all the 10 or 25 slots. I'm mainly referring to event leaderboards and Hauntlet, Shuyal, Flydra, group Gates etc. What in the fairness don't you understand about that? It's an unethical game mechanic. LBs with only first places getting a badge like Zodias or general timed maps are fine the way they are.

Appreciated the tips by the way, no denying that.

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

No need to make personal attacks just because you're offended and deviating from the core problem with leaderboards in this game. Yes, I think every name should be on the leaderboard only once per map per party, no need keeping the #1 AND #2 - #10 in my eyes, that is ridiculous. It's simply said just not fair and not how multiplayer map leaderboards should work.

You're right that some leaderboards require skill, and they also require tens of bills in gear. Just because leaderboards are hard and require effort shouldn't make 5 people being able to keep all the 10 or 25 slots. I'm mainly referring to event leaderboards and Hauntlet, Shuyal, Flydra, group Gates etc. What in the fairness don't you understand about that? It's an unethical game mechanic. LBs with only first places getting a badge like Zodias or general timed maps are fine the way they are.

Appreciated the tips by the way, no denying that.

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Would take more than that to offend me don't worry. Yeah because leaderboards are "hard and require effort" it exactly benefits people that can score everything they aim for. If I want to run 15 records with friends scoring something 15 times then why should I not be allowed to do so? Because of what exactly?

You're FREE to try that yourself. Nothing is stopping you, nothing and no one physically holds you down and prevents you from trying, no one is bullying you from contesting anything.

It's always the people that never try or contest anything be talking about this subject not actually TRYING to achieve anything. It's reductive, repetitive, boring and unamusing.

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Originally Posted by |Ares|

Would take more than that to offend me don't worry. Yeah because leaderboards are "hard and require effort" it exactly benefits people that can score everything they aim for. If I want to run 15 records with friends scoring something 15 times then why should I not be allowed to do so? Because of what exactly?

You're FREE to try that yourself. Nothing is stopping you, nothing and no one physically holds you down and prevents you from trying, no one is bullying you from contesting anything.

It's always the people that never try or contest anything be talking about this subject not actually TRYING to achieve anything. It's reductive, repetitive, boring and unamusing.

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You can run with your friends all you want, but only your highest score should count. I don't try, because there is no point in trying because of this system, no incentive, no perspective. The top players will get AND keep the leaderboards filled presently and in the future because they have the best gear. Even if I'd be the second fastest team, I'd never get a spot in those multi team leaderboards. That is how it should be.

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Originally Posted by dexxiedex

You can run with your friends all you want, but only your highest score should count. I don't try, because there is no point in trying because of this system, no incentive, no perspective. The top players will get AND keep the leaderboards filled presently and in the future because they have the best gear. Even if I'd be the second fastest team, I'd never get a spot in those multi team leaderboards. That is how it should be.

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"There is no point trying" - your answer. End of conversation.

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Originally Posted by |Ares|

"There is no point trying" - your answer. End of conversation.

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Yes, thanks for proving MY point. STS fix this system please.

We need a new system on board, new ln boards as well like top kills on specific elite maps, new banners etc as well as timed run for hardcores.


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Let’s be real. Leaderboards are for competition, not for handing out banners to anyone who logs in. If you’re not willing to grind, improve, and invest time, then no, you don’t deserve a top spot. Simple.

This whole “make it fair” talk is just a way of saying “I don’t want to work for it.” Changing timed runs to kill counts isn’t competition. It’s laziness. You don’t need skill to spam a map. You just need time and something to watch while you do it.

Top players earned their place. They grinded, learned mechanics, built teams, and pushed themselves. Nobody handed it to them. And no, they’re not gatekeeping. They just worked harder than most. That’s not unfair. That’s what a leaderboard is.

If timed runs are too hard, go compete in other boards like events or Hardcore. But don’t ask the game to lower its standards just so you can feel included. Compete properly or don’t, but don’t expect rewards for doing the bare minimum.


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Appreciate the suggestion, but there are no plans to do this. You can search the forums for 'leaderboards' and see our previous responses on the topic.

-ALS

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Originally Posted by Udots

Suggestion: Improve/Fix the Seasonal Leaderboards (Elite Campaign Maps)

Right now, the seasonal leaderboards for timed elite campaign dungeons are heavily skewed in favor of players with extremely rare and expensive gear. This means only a small percentage of the player base has any realistic shot at competing, which shuts out the majority of players.

As a result, we keep seeing the same group of players dominating the top runs every season.

My suggestion:
Instead of ranking players based on the fastest timed runs run basically requires top-tier gear—why not rank the leaderboard by the number of Elite dungeon kills (non-timed) for each campaign dungeon map?

This would:
• Give more players a fair shot at climbing the leaderboard
• Reward consistency and effort over just gear
• Encourage players to grow stronger and push into harder content
• Give more incentive to go after elite dungeon achievements

It would shift the focus from pure speed and gear checks to actual engagement with the game, and I think it’d make seasonal competition more accessible and fun for everyone.

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That’s a weird suggestion. It already exists in elder woods. What you are suggesting will only bring people back to botting and your suggestion for timed maps, makes imo no sense at all. Like others say, there should be no shortcut or charity for banners/badges/titles.
I myself worked hard for every of mine. You should do it too. If you want a shortcut do southern seas you can do it as 2 players and dont need high ms. For Dmg gear, average 4K primary is enough.

That other suggestion actually is good to make solo competition