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    Default ***RAWR!!: A Comprehensive Analysis of Strength Sets: AO3 to Humania***

    INTRODUCTION

    On November 23, 2010, I entered the world of Alterra as an inexperiened bear. With no prior MMO experience, I wondered through the various stages, speaking to very few people and leveling through doing campaign quests. I wasn't until a few months later, with the introduction of the Balefort Sewers campaign, that I actually started to learn my "role." Still, my knowledge greatly lacked in all areas: specs, skills, and gear. Then one day, I was introduced to the forums and soon met the person I consider my mentor: MrWallace. From that point on, it was like I was introduced to a completely new game.

    During this "revelation", I began to understand my role much better and worked to perfect my craft. However, I became confused as I saw a vast increase in "bow bears" or "dex bears." Eager to find answers, I searched the forums to study strength gear and why so many individuals were taking this route. My journey allowed me to meet many players and we collaborated ways to improve our class; through skills and gear. As time passed, we saw Nuri's Hallows, Mount Fang, and Humania enter into the picture and the role of the bear has gone from "tank" to "confused." It has been discussed more than once here on the forums about the death of the tank-bear and the rise of the "scatterbear." With this consistant rise of dex-bears, and the insane amount of elixir usage, many bears are either booted from fear of the scatter or act as if they are another bird as they stand in the back and auto-attack their way to the boss.

    So what happend to this class? Why do bears NOT use the gear intended for them? Will we see the class disappear in the near future?

    A LOOK INTO STRENGTH GEAR: AO3 to HUMANIA

    Before we can answer the previous questions, a thorough look into the past, and present, "endgame" strength sets is needed to form a better educated guess. This section is to provide statistical data allowing for the reader to view each set in one section. After each set is looked at, we will discuss the changes from AO3 to Humania and what the future may hold. Pictures will be provided in the apporpriate section to allow for visual recognition of the stated data.

    NOTE: Only the "top" endgame gear is included in this section. I understand other sets and combinations exist, however, we are only looking at what STS has given to the community to consider as the "best" during those compaigns.

    AO3

    Rift Sets - Lootable:

    Power Armor of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 44 Armor [Part of a Set, From Galactic Overlord]
    Overlord's Helmet of the Rift Req: Level 50, 154 Str 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 29 Armor [Part of a Set, From T'Paxx the Executioner & Galactic Overlord]
    Screaming Skull Shield of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 34 Armor [Part of a Set, From King Mynas]
    Gurgox Hammer of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 194-269 Damage, 1.4 Speed, 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 4 Armor [Part of a Set, From Gurgox the Great]
    Plasma Battlesword of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 139-214 Damage, 1.4 Speed, 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 4 Armor [From Alien Minibosses]
    Sunblessed Scmimitar of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 107-114 Damage, 1.0 Speed, 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 4 Armor [Part of a Set, From King Mynas]

    Set Bonuses:

    Rift Set I Overlord's Helmet of the Rift, Power Armor of the Rift, Sunblessed Scmimitar of the Rift, Screaming Skull Shield of the Rift +5% Dodge, +50 Health, +5 H/s, +3 M/s, +5 Damage, +12 Armor
    Rift Set II - "Gurgox Rift Champion" Overlord's Helmet of the Rift, Power Armor of the Rift, Gurgox Hammer of the Rift+5 H/s, +5 Damage, +10 Armor





    Cyber Sets

    Cyber Armor of the Rift Req: Level 50, 157 Str 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 46 Armor [From 100 "Ok'tal Totems" Quest]
    Cyber Skull of the Rift Req: Level 50, 154 Str 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 29 Armor [From 50 "Cyber Shards" Quest]
    Cyber Kite Shield of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 34 Armor [From 5 "Shadows Essence" Quest]
    Cyber Sword of the Rift Req: Level 50, 158 Str 83-92 Damage, 0.8 Speed, 11 Str, 8% Hit, 2% Crit, 2 H/s, 1 M/s, 4 Damage, 4 Armor [From 25 "Captive Shadows" Quest]

    Set Bonuses:

    Cyber Rift Set Cyber Skull of the Rift, Cyber Armor of the Rift, Cyber Sword of the Rift, Cyber Kite Shield of the Rift +3 H/s, +1 Damage, +8 Armor
    Cyber Rift Set II Cyber Skull of the Rift, Cyber Armor of the Rift, Plasma Battlesword of the Rift+1 Crit, +3 H/s, +7 Damage





    SHADOW CAVES

    Hate Sets

    Guardian's Armor of Hate Req: Level 50, 157 Str 12 Str, 5% Hit, 5% Crit, 3 H/s, 2 M/s, 6 Damage, 49 Armor [From Shadow Anubis & others, Cave V]
    Guardian's Helmet of Hate Req: Level 50, 157 Str 12 Str, 5% Hit, 5% Crit, 3 H/s, 2 M/s, 6 Damage, 32 Armor [From the Shadow Lord & others, Cave IV]
    Guardian's Kite Shield of Hate Req: Level 50, 158 Str 12 Str, 5% Hit, 5% Crit, 3 H/s, 2 M/s, 6 Damage, 37 Armor [From the Shadow Witch & Shadow Demon, Cave III]
    Guardian's Battlesword of Hate Req: Level 50, 158 Str 141-216 Damage, 1.4 Speed, 12 Str, 5% Hit, 5% Crit, 3 H/s, 2 M/s, 7 Armor [From the Dark Genie, Shadow Prince & Shadow Demon, Cave II]
    Shadow Hax of Hate Req: Level 50, 158 Str 85-94 Damage, 0.8 Speed, 12 Str, 5% Hit, 5% Crit, 3 H/s, 2 M/s, 7 Armor [From The Dark Archer, Cave I]

    Set Bonuses:

    Guardian Hax Set Guardian's Helmet of Hate, Guardian's Armor of Hate, Shadow Hax of Hate, Guardian's Kite Shield of Hate +3 Dodge, +1 H/s, +9 Armor
    Guardian Battlesword Set Guardian's Helmet of Hate, Guardian's Armor of Hate, Guardian's Battlesword of Hate +3 Crit, +2 M/s, +8 Damage



    NOTE: Could not find a Hate Battlesword at the time of this post.

    BALEFORT SEWERS

    Fortified Set


    Fortified Gemstone Plate Req: Level 55, 173 Str 14 Str, 8 H/s, 8 Damage, 60 Armor Levels: 55 Recipe
    Fortified Gemstone Helm Req: Level 55, 173 Str 14 Str, 8 H/s, 8 Damage, 37 Armor Levels: 55 Recipe
    Fortified Gemstone Shield Req: Level 55, 173 Str 14 Str, 8 H/s, 8 Damage, 47 Armor Levels: 55 Recipe
    Fortified Gem Battle Sword Req: Level 55, 173 Str 136-162 Damage, 1.3 Speed, 14 Str, 8 H/s, 12 Armor Levels: 55 Recipe
    Fortified Gemstone Sword Req: Level 55, 173 Str 120-128 Damage, 1.0 Speed, 14 Str, 8 H/s, 12 Armor Levels: 55 Recipe

    Set Bonuses:


    Fortified Gemstone Sword Set Fortified Gemstone Plate, Fortified Gemstone Helm, Fortified Gemstone Sword, Fortified Gemstone Shield +2 Dodge, +50 Health, +8 H/s, +4 M/s, +16 Armor
    Fortified Gem Battle Sword Set Fortified Gemstone Plate, Fortified Gemstone Helm, Fortified Gem Battle Sword +2 Hit, +9 Crit, +4 H/s, +4 M/s, +6 Damage, +5 Armor





    NURI'S HALLOWS

    Demonic Sets

    Demonic Glyph Platemail Req: Level 60, 140 Str 23 Str, 5% Dodge, 7 H/s, 5 M/s, 9 Damage, 66 Armor Levels: 60 Recipe
    Demonic Glyph Plate Helmet Req: Level 60, 140 Str 23 Str, 5% Dodge, 7 H/s, 5 M/s, 9 Damage, 43 Armor Levels: 60 Recipe
    Demonic Glyph Shield Req: Level 60, 140 Str 23 Str, 5% Dodge, 7 H/s, 5 M/s, 9 Damage, 53 Armor Levels: 60 Recipe
    Demonic Glyph Battle Sword Req: Level 60, 140 Str 221-273 Damage, 1.3 Speed, 23 Str, 5% Dodge, 7 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Armor Levels: 60 Recipe
    Demonic Glyph Mace Req: Level 60, 140 Str 198-273 Damage, 1.4 Speed, 23 Str, 5% Dodge, 7 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Armor Levels: 60 Recipe

    Set Bonuses:

    Demonic STR Set 1H Demonic Glyph Plate Helmet, Demonic Glyph Platemail, Demonic Glyph Mace, Demonic Glyph Shield+7 H/s, 7 Armor
    Demonic STR Set 2H Demonic Glyph Plate Helmet, Demonic Glyph Platemail, Demonic Glyph Battle Sword+4 H/s, +7 Damage, +2 Armor



    NOTE: No pictures available for Demonic Longsword. Searched for over a week and noone has one.

    MOUNT FANG

    Crafted Orlok Sets

    L65 Crafted Orlok's Chiroptera Plate Req: Level 65, 150 Str 25 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Crit, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Damage, 70 Armor
    Vampiric Plate Fiber (3), Vampiric Bloodstone Setting
    L65 Crafted Orlok's Chiroptera Helm Req: Level 65, 150 Str 25 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Crit, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Damage, 46 Armor
    Vampiric Plate Fiber (3), Vampiric Bloodstone Setting
    L65 Crafted Orlok's Regal Shield Req: Level 65, 150 Str 25 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Crit, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Damage, 56 Armor
    Basic Orlok Buckler Shield (2), Vampiric Bloodstone Setting, Vampiric Blade Silver
    L65 Crafted Orlok's Chiroptera Claymore Req: Level 65, 150 Str 217-292 Damage, 1.3 Speed, 25 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Crit, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Armor
    Basic 2H Orlok Blade (2), Vampiric Bloodstone Setting, Vampiric Blade Silver
    L65 Crafted Orlok's Chiroptera Sword Req: Level 65, 150 Str 170-200 Damage, 1.3 Speed, 25 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Crit, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 11 Armor
    Basic 1H Orlok Sword (2), Vampiric Bloodstone Setting, Vampiric Blade Silver

    Set Bonuses:

    Crafted Orlok sword set bonus (helm, plate, shield, sword): +3 Str, +1% Dodge, +7 H/s, +7 Armor
    Crafted Orlok claymore set bonus (helm, plate, claymore): +3 Str, +5% Crit, +5 H/s





    HUMANIA

    Tiki God's Sand Walker Swathe
    Req: Level 70/160 Base STR Stats: 33 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Hit, 3% Crit, 5 Health, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 15 Damage, 82 Armor
    Tiki God's Sand Walker Helm
    Req: Level 70/160 Base STR Stats: 33 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Hit, 3% Crit, 5 Health, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 15 Damage, 61 Armor
    Tiki God's Sand Walker Scimitar
    Req: Level 70/160 Base STR Stats: 240-315 Damage, 1.3 Speed, 33 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Hit, 3% Crit, 5 Health, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 16 Armor
    Tribal Tiki Crusher of Emotion
    Req: Level 70/160 Base STR Stats: 200-234 Damage, 1.1 Speed, 33 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Hit, 3% Crit, 5 Health, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 16 Armor
    Tiki God's Sand Walker Drum
    Req: Level 70/160 Base STR Stats: 33 Str, 7% Dodge, 3% Hit, 3% Crit, 5 Health, 8 H/s, 5 M/s, 15 Damage, 72 Armor

    Set Bonuses:

    Tiki God Sand Walker (1h) - +3 dodge, +24 health, +4 health regeneration, +4 maximum damage
    Tiki God Sand Walker (2h) - +2 health, +4 health regeneration, +15 armor





    ANALYSIS

    Now that the data has been provided, we need to take a look at the "evolution" of the strength set through each campaign. (It should be noted, as we go from this point, I am a level 71 with a Mecha Bear face. This will skew the properties of the sets and does not reflect how the sets will perform at varying levels within the game.)

    Defensive stats

    I will first look into the defensive statistics of the sets. If we look at the defensive stats (or set survivability), I will compare each set to the next as well as the differences between pure strength and dual spec.

    Working our way down, I will begin with dodge, followed by health, health regen, and armor:

    Dodge: (dual, str)

    Rift: 16 (1h); 8, 11 (2h)
    Cyber: 11 (1h), 8, 11 (2h)
    Hate: 12, 14
    Fortified: 9,11 (1h); 11, 13(2h)
    Demonic: 32
    Crafted Orlok: 38,41 (1h); 31, 37 (2h)
    Sand Walker: 39,41 (1h); 31, 34 (2h)

    Health (health regen):

    Rift: 754 (19), 853 (21); 698 (17), 796 (19)
    Cyber: 738(17), 832(19); 718(15), 816(17)
    Hate: 736 (20), 834(21)
    Fortified: ??(47), ??(49); 702(34), 801(36)
    Demonic: 733(41), 832(43)
    Crafted Orlok: 737(46), 836(48); 724(35), 823(37)
    Sand Walker: 784 (40), 882(42); 746(32), 844(34)

    Armor:

    Rift: 139, 144; 103, 108
    Cyber: 138, 142; 97, 102
    Hate: 151, 156
    Fortified: 189, 194; 31, 135
    Demonic: 198,203
    Crafted Orlok: 210, 215; 146,151
    Sand Walker: 265, 270; 179, 184

    Looking at the defensive stats, a steady increase in each stat was seen in each category with exception to health and health regen. Those two categories seem to go up then down with each update with Fortified being the highest for health pool and Crafted Orlok highest for regen.

    Offensive Categories

    I will know break down the major offensive categories: Hit%, Critical Hit, and Base Damage. (I will not focus on dps as base damage is the major statistic factoring into skill damage.) The categories will be separated in the same fashion as the defensive categories.

    Hit %:

    Rift: 131, 99; 123, 91
    Cyber: 131, 99; 123, 91
    Hate: 119, 87
    Fortified: 99, 67; 101- 69
    Demonic: 99, 67
    Crafted Orlok: 99, 67; 99, 67
    Sand Walker: 111, 79; 111, 79

    Crit:

    Rift: 26, 25; 22, 22
    Cyber: 26, 25; 22, 22
    Hate: 34, 33
    Fortified: 14, 14; 23, 22
    Demonic: 15, 15
    Crafted Orlok: 27, 27; 28, 27
    Sand Walker: 28, 28; 31, 31

    Damage range:

    Rift: 173-180, 137-144; 246-321, 220-295
    Cyber: 145-154, 109-118; 193-268, 167-242
    Hate: 142-151, 117-126
    Fortified: 184-191, 158-165; 200-226, 174-200
    Demonic: 278-353, 242-317
    Crafted Orlok: 247-276, 221-250; 286-361, 260-335
    Sand Walker: 286-320, 260-298; 330-405, 305-380

    From an offensive standpoint, strength sets have received a gradual increase in base damge. However, Hit% and Critical Hit has been very sporadic. We see Critical hit take a slight nose dive after AO3 then gradually climb back up after Fang. However, Hit % has taken a drastic nose dive since AO3 and has never recovered.

    Skills - Stomp

    Below are stats showing the damage the skill "Stomp" provides while equipping crafted Humania gear:

    Pure Strength (Sand Walker 1h/2h):



    Dual Strength/Dexterity (Sand Walker 1h/2h):



    Dual Strength Dexterity (Sand Skipper Crossbone Set):



    Looking at skill damage, we can make notice of two main points: (1) Dual speccing (having dexterity) adds to damage range efficiency, and (2) more strength adds to top end skill damage.

    When comparing strength sets, we notice a lower base damage with pure strength speccing. However, we also notice an average increase of 3 points in top end damage. This may not seem like a lot, but it can be argued, especially in pvp, each damage point is essential.

    When comparing the two strength set setups with the Sand Walker Crossbone set, we see a skill damage that is more efficient (range from low to high) than the 1h/2h Sand Walker sets, yet similar to the 1h set. The 2h Sand Walker set is far superior to the Sand Skipper Crossbone set when looking at skill damage. This is where the "bow bear" argument comes into play. Many bears use dex sets because of the psuedo-belief that dex sets provide more damage. In fact, while they do increase hit% and dps, the skill damage lacks and makes a tank less effective.

    DISCUSSION

    I will keep the discussion section relatively short. This is where I would like the community to chime in and post any thoughts/ideas/critiques. I will, however, begin the discussions with my observations and thoughts over almost 2 years of analysis.

    Overall, I feel strength sets are sufficient in most areas. My biggest disappointment comes in the category of Hit%. Bears are the only class which cannot run as a "pure" as our ability to land attacks/skills becomes practically non-existent with this setup. The issue is not as great in PVE as it is in PVP as there is more support in PVE. With that being said, this category is the main reason why many bears have gone dual-spec or dex. In PVE, with the increased dodge encountered with mobs, a low hit% increases the chance of not pulling more mobs, and thus, makes the need for a bear to tank much lower.

    The same can be said for PVP. With the debuffs available to mages and birds, a 69% hit drops drastically in a very quick time and thus makes any form of PVP difficult. Yes, many bears are counted on to be the "flag carrier" in CTF or the "speed bump" in FFA, but honestly, it gets boring. To know that I am useless if I don't dodge a debuff makes this part of the game less appealing. Also, with the increase in armor from the other two classes and by far the lowest damage of the 3, bears need a little boost to our pride.

    So what are your thoughts? This is where YOU chime in and make your voice heard!

    CONCLUSION

    As you can tell, I am very passionate about this class. Since the creation of my "main", I have 8 other bears scattered through various levels. The purpose of this thread is to congregate all of the discussion over the past year or so and localize it. My hope is to have a meaningful, and successful, discussion to improve the class and educate the community. Please remember when posting to keep comments constructive and meaningful. It will greatly upset me to put this much time into a thread and have to have it locked because of ignorance and selfishness.

    Special Thanks and Recognition

    I want to thank JaytB, Badazz, and Stank for allowing me to borrow sets I did not have.

    Special recognition to Yanis, Drewcapu, Whirlz, and JaytB for the set information. Without you guys, I would not even be half finished at this point.

    Hope you all find this informative!!

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    Nice Crimson! Glad you could finish this project!!
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    EDIT: Fixed picture problems. Thanks Drew!
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    Wow this is great! Esp since my main is a bear as well thx crimson!
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    Almost Dante inferno long.... However very valid points hopefully a pure bear age may be on the horizon
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    AWESOME! But I got a request. This would be absolutely perfect if you would add the stomp damage range for each of the sets at the end with the stat comparison to see how they affect skill damage.

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    great work!!!

    As a bird, i appreciate Bears that act like Bears and not hanging out at the back shooting crossbows while the party in front of them gets killed ha ha

    Dam, the Demonic set still looks bad ***!

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    Great job Crim! I bet you didn't type all that on your phone

    I think your topic shows very clear in what bears currently (as in the last couple of caps) are lacking. There seems to be an easy fix for all this, give us bears hit%!

    If bears would at least get some hit%, a pure build would finally be possible. As I told you in game, Ellyidol has been advocating something similar in the past. STS didn't seem to take notice though.

    Now, I can see how hit% could become a problem when it would be 100% for a full str bear. It would mean that a dual spec would have a huge amount of hit that can hardly be debuffed below 100% in a 1vs1 fight. And that huge hit% would hardly come at any cost, because dex almost adds the same to skill dmg as compared to str.

    The way I see it, bears should get a valid full str option, as is the case with mages (full INT) or birds (full dex). One way to achieve this is increasing hit% to at least 100% for a full str bear in top gear, while simultaneously decreasing the skill dmg that dex adds. So, basically when you'd add more dex, you'd gain hit at the cost of skill dmg.

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    Nice job, hoss. I had no ideer that 'bama boys could string more than six words together to form a sentence
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    Excellent writeup. I'd like to see the skill dmg comparison as well. I'm currently debating whether to go 1H or 2H on the Lvl 70 set, so a comparison of the skill damage would definitely be useful.

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    Great. Just what we need. Another half arse guide/analysis taking up precious forum space...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffNStuff View Post
    AWESOME! But I got a request. This would be absolutely perfect if you would add the stomp damage range for each of the sets at the end with the stat comparison to see how they affect skill damage.
    Quote Originally Posted by Energizeric View Post
    Excellent writeup. I'd like to see the skill dmg comparison as well. I'm currently debating whether to go 1H or 2H on the Lvl 70 set, so a comparison of the skill damage would definitely be useful.
    Well guess what good 'ole Crim has sitting aside, pics of stomp at all options. Wasn't sure if it wouod make the thread too long. I wil get them added soon.

    Thanks for feedback guys and keep it coming! Even birdbrains like Moooooog!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonTider View Post
    Well guess what good 'ole Crim has sitting aside, pics of stomp at all options. Wasn't sure if it wouod make the thread too long. I wil get them added soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energizeric View Post
    Excellent writeup. I'd like to see the skill dmg comparison as well. I'm currently debating whether to go 1H or 2H on the Lvl 70 set, so a comparison of the skill damage would definitely be useful.
    Skill dmg of str sets (crafted and uncrafted), can be found here...

    http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?t=64042


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    Jay guessed correctly.
    Had to be something about STR gear O.o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrimafish View Post
    u called?
    Haha! As soon as I saw the title, I scrolled down to see if you would say something about it.. Haha am I the only one that noticed your post? O.o
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