Quote Originally Posted by arcanefid View Post
Well that explains a lot actually. It makes sense that the lower tier gears for Mages to have worse stats than those of Rogues and Warriors, simply because of the skills that the classes have.

If we just use gear without procs, Mages would be the best class hands down because of their skills. They have the ability to use Shield, recover Health and Mana, attack multiple enemies at once, attack a single enemy for heavy damage, slow enemies, and other stuff I am probably missing. So this explains that the gear without procs are fine to have worse stats to maintain class balance. I'm not sure if you play the Warrior class, but if you do, playing it feels extremely empty and hard until you get weapons with procs, even if the item stats are above average.
I doubt that, each class have their unique skills that make their roles stand out, mages might do good at mobs but they lack at single target damage, rogues will do good at boss but they lack at CC, and warriors should not be running alone, I mean they are tanks. And its exactly how it should be. Balance doesnt mean they all be equal at output (I said this in OP too).
Balance only means that the growth of all classes is parallel, the OP only suggests that its is not and the baseline for that growth is probably incorrect (considering only weapons in this thread). Its as simple as that.

Quote Originally Posted by arcanefid View Post
Good procs for Mages like Flame Staff, Immo Staff, or DS, made them the best class for PvE without any contest. This was easily noticeable during the Mausoleum and Underhul times, pretty much around the times when Mages had the worst stats. So in the end we can see that when Mages had the good procs, their garbage stats didn't matter at all.
True, and we (players and sts) learnt from the mistakes of past, we dont want more banish and over powered procs. While I do blame players for keeping it quite (they were no different from the players you see on this thread who are just adding speculations to show everything is fine), I do blame devs too for not doing a fact check. I made this thread because it matters to me that all classes should be balanced, more than mage I like to see the damage gap between warrior and rogue to get a bit less, and when it comes to mage armor I only suggested 90 extra armor over the current stats.

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If you see the threads from last year you will see I was one of the players who always said nerf flame staff, nerf DS, nerf immo we dont want to use 3 generations old weapons. Those comments are there on vrooms dev blog as well, and I got plenty of hate at that time from not only mages but warriors and rogues saying it will increase the completion time for maus. Trust me I was the happiest guy when they nerfed all old weapons for mage at level 71, feel free to check my posts and threads on forum for the last 6 months.

Now that we are finally at a place where things are getting balanced, old bugs/issues getting fixed, STS is taking measures to balance things - so we are at a very good place. Its the perfect time when class balance for pve and pvp needs to be addressed. I am adding unbiased facts to the table for discussion, you wont see any of my opinions until the conclusion of the OP, and I made sure I highlight my opinion outside the facts at the end because people have the tendency to generalize the facts.

I am not sure what people are loosing their minds about? I already have plenty of hate pms, and most of them didn't even read the OP properly, But its alright, I will just ignore them