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[lordwill0]

Please keep posts on topic of the subject being discussed. Thank you for your cooperation.

Lol jk, have a safe trip mooger. hope you like your new place ^^

[Formora]

Anyone have a reason why I shouldn't abandon the dragontooth quest? It doesn't lead to any others, right?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it does. I managed to loot one after killing like 30~ mobs. But I looted two blues, which made it worth it. I abandoned the Ghost Revenge and Hermit in the Forest quest. I don't know how you did it, but it was impossible for me to kill the Ziaduar dude. My theory is that all spawned Haien's never left which is why there were so many left :p

[Lesrider]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it does. I managed to loot one after killing like 30~ mobs. But I looted two blues, which made it worth it. I abandoned the Ghost Revenge and Hermit in the Forest quest. I don't know how you did it, but it was impossible for me to kill the Ziaduar dude. My theory is that all spawned Haien's never left which is why there were so many left :p

Wait, Dragontooth leads to another quest?!? Which one? Prob doesn't matter now, I don't wnana go back for it.

As for the glitched quest, I was very close to giving up, but then got lucky and the guy spawned on top of me so I got a hit in before the npcs could finish him off. Intranet with some random person who was also trying to finish and she was thrilled I completed it for her lol.

[shmoo]

Here is a pic of some of the PL players who have also played O&C.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/shmoo83/Order%20and%20Chaos%20Online/the_pl_gang.png

:banana:

[Samhayne]

Thanks Sam and Ech....been a busy week....on the home stretch, all I have to worry about is one significant other not happy I am leaving and an 1100 mile drive...I'm not sure which I am looking forward to less :rolleyes:

I love a good road trip. The ride out from the SF Bay area to Austin was fun. 3 days of the open road with just me, my nice ride, doggy companion, good tunes and audio books to accompany me. Long distance trucking was always my fallback plan for employment since I have the large capacity to sit on my bum (I guess that's why I can log all those hours in MMOs). Anyway, sorry to derail the thread but long drives aren't bad. It's all in your attitude toward them! :)

[shmoo]

Just in-case anyone is interested.. this is an epic robe that I crafted and so far has the highest spell crit in robe.. except of course for the one that needs 2 general's symbols.. :banana:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/shmoo83/Order%20and%20Chaos%20Online/reinforced_worsted_wool_robe.png

[shmoo]

Managed to do it. Basically you need to get lucky enough for the boss to spawn where you're standing while the npcs are a few feet away so you have a chance to get a hit in. Took a long time to get that lucky. The irony is that the trinket is useless to a ranger, but I'll have to do it all over again with my monk.

Another trick is to use instant-cast AoE spells where the boss spawns.

[Formora]

Just got to 31, and learned permafrost. It's pretty awesome, but I'll need the stone spike upgrade if I want to take on more than 3 mobs at a time. So... Gotta get to 34.

[Lesrider]

Just got to 31, and learned permafrost. It's pretty awesome, but I'll need the stone spike upgrade if I want to take on more than 3 mobs at a time. So... Gotta get to 34.

Lol I think I chose the wrong class. God, my stupid archer can't take on more than one at a time. But I've come too far to abandon her completely :/

[Formora]

Lol I think I chose the wrong class. God, my stupid archer can't take on more than one at a time. But I've come too far to abandon her completely :/

Maybe, but every class has it's advantages. You may not be able to aoe, but you kill single targets real quick. You also have cool skills like sneak and escape. Mages only start to get fun after level 35. Stone spike at level 3 reflects 100% damage for 20 seconds.

[Lesrider]

Maybe, but every class has it's advantages. You may not be able to aoe, but you kill single targets real quick. You also have cool skills like sneak and escape. Mages only start to get fun after level 35. Stone spike at level 3 reflects 100% damage for 20 seconds.

True, sneak is a great skill. But other than that, it's actually been quite boring. Like I told you before, I only have two skills to spam besides pin feet, and split shot causes more trouble than it's worth sometimes :(. Seems archer doesn't get fun until much later, too.

[Ellyidol]

True, sneak is a great skill. But other than that, it's actually been quite boring. Like I told you before, I only have two skills to spam besides pin feet, and split shot causes more trouble than it's worth sometimes :(. Seems archer doesn't get fun until much later, too.

I wouldn't recommend getting Split/Explosive Shot even. They're far too costly and slow to rely on from what I've noticed.

When you get Avulsion Shot, your Slowing poison just works so much better.

Rapid + Avulsion + Rapid would get mobs quite low, if they're poison slowed you could kite a bit til they die. If not, you can pin.

I tried using Explosive/Split and mobbed for AoE, but just too slow and expensive on vigor to be relied on, IMO.

[Formora]

True, sneak is a great skill. But other than that, it's actually been quite boring. Like I told you before, I only have two skills to spam besides pin feet, and split shot causes more trouble than it's worth sometimes :(. Seems archer doesn't get fun until much later, too.

Leveling without quests suck :( I probably have 100k exp before I get to 34. Then I'll be able to grind quickly but I don't need to since I'll be at vega. Lol -.-

[Ellyidol]

Leveling without quests suck :( I probably have 100k exp before I get to 34. Then I'll be able to grind quickly but I don't need to since I'll be at vega. Lol -.-

IMO, there's a nice spot to grind in, in whispering islands.

Right outside of the Hall of R(...) town, there's an area full of fishfolk type of mobs. Scouts, Physi(something), and some mage ones I think. Pretty nice and crowded there to grind in, pretty near town too in case you need to repot/empty bags :)

[Formora]

IMO, there's a nice spot to grind in, in whispering islands.

Right outside of the Hall of R(...) town, there's an area full of fishfolk type of mobs. Scouts, Physi(something), and some mage ones I think. Pretty nice and crowded there to grind in, pretty near town too in case you need to repot/empty bags :)

Thanks. Will check it out soon.

[shmoo]

Maybe, but every class has it's advantages. You may not be able to aoe, but you kill single targets real quick. You also have cool skills like sneak and escape. Mages only start to get fun after level 35. Stone spike at level 3 reflects 100% damage for 20 seconds.

Actually you can get that later and put points into shortening Permafrost's cooldown. Things will get better once you get Ice Meteor. For now stick with Shockwave -> Frost Blast -> Permafrost -> run (wait until permafrost goes out) -> shockwave remaining mobs. The "Spiked Stone Skin / Armor" is more of a PvP thing, since you will only be reflecting little damage back due to your large increase in armor. It works wonders for players and assasins who love to spam skill you once you are stunned with your "Spiked Stone Armor / Skin" up. XD

[icantgetkills]

my assassin PVE Wise is very good until i got to whis island i just kept dying :( they need there skills to cost less vigor or is it just me but in PVE duals i dominate most class even warriors, one thing with assassin i have to kill 1-2 at a time and i guess compared to my warrior were i could take 3-4 its adjustment i guess.. not sure about you guys but assassin in Pve is very hard >.<

[Moogerfooger]

Here is a pic of some of the PL players who have also played O&C.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/shmoo83/Order%20and%20Chaos%20Online/the_pl_gang.png

:banana:

Meh.

[icantgetkills]

u jelly cause u were not in the picture?

[Moogerfooger]

u jelly cause u were not in the picture?

I wouldn't be in your guild, who thieved half of our guild, if you paid me. But nice try and thanks for playing.

I promised the PL buds I started playing OC with that I would stick with them, and I'm a man of my word.

[icantgetkills]

I wouldn't be in your guild, who thieved half of our guild, if you paid me. But nice try and thanks for playing.

I promised the PL buds I started playing OC with that I would stick with them, and I'm a man of my word.

u mad cause your members "chose" to join are guild we didnt pay them or ask them no need to cry over your guild losing members right? obviously they had a choice... no need to be arrogant about the picture ^^ i am glad to no you are a man of your word

[Moogerfooger]

u mad cause your members "chose" to join are guild we didnt pay them or ask them no need to cry over your guild losing members right? obviously they had a choice... no need to be arrogant about the picture ^^ i am glad to no you are a man of your word

Crying? I think not. Try some reading comprehension classes.

[icantgetkills]

wut ish comprihinsion </3

[shmoo]

I was not aware of any "thieving".. :O

Let's not delve into this.

We're all friends here right? We even got some PL players in Eclipse (MoarPewPew is one).

[Ellyidol]

u mad cause your members "chose" to join are guild we didnt pay them or ask them no need to cry over your guild losing members right? obviously they had a choice... no need to be arrogant about the picture ^^ i am glad to no you are a man of your word

Lol, they did not choose to join our guild, apart from those that actually did choose to join - which I have no idea who are.

I asked everyone in this thread, therefore everyone in the PL guild, if it was possible to merge both of our guilds.

Some were up for it, some, like Moog, opted to stay. I have to say, there was no right or wrong answer unless you were going back on your word, which clearly, Moog did not. I guess it all boiled down to personal preference, a group of people went one way and another group another way.

IMO, Tragic, therefore shmoo, icgk, myself, and whoever else is posting, is now a guest in these forums. Since this is a PL forum and a thread for a PL guild, which we are no longer technically part of, I see ourselves as guests to their discussions and should behave like one.

Let's leave it at different people going different ways, that's all, shall we?

[icantgetkills]

Lol, they did not choose to join our guild, apart from those that actually did choose to join - which I have no idea who are.

I asked everyone in this thread, therefore everyone in the PL guild, if it was possible to merge both of our guilds.

Some were up for it, some, like Moog, opted to stay. I have to say, there was no right or wrong answer unless you were going back on your word, which clearly, Moog did not. I guess it all boiled down to personal preference, a group of people went one way and another group another way.

IMO, Tragic, therefore shmoo, icgk, myself, and whoever else is posting, is now a guest in these forums. Since this is a PL forum and a thread for a PL guild, which we are no longer technically part of, I see ourselves as guests to their discussions and should behave like one.

Let's leave it at different people going different ways, that's all, shall we?

well he meh'd the picture i felt he had no reason to do that and was just trollish IMO.

[Ellyidol]

well he meh'd the picture i felt he had no reason to do that and was just trollish IMO.

He can do whatever he wants, like I said, we're guests here.

If Moog or anyone else from the PL guild asks me to leave, out of respect, I will.

Look, I have nothing but respect for anyone in both guilds, no hate, no grudges, and definitely no homo. So I don't see the point in alienating both our guilds from each other, when we could clearly benefit from each other.

The way I see it, the PL guild is more PvE oriented, more community based, very close members.

Tragic is more PvP oriented, somewhat getting extended members. We even have lone in the guild now, last I checked.

So we can benefit from each other, PL guild gets grief'd on, Tragic can help. We lack characters or diversity on dungeons later on, PL guild can help.

So really, it's just like segregating personal playstyle into two different guilds. The PL guild likes a smaller, more casual guild, while Tragic is a more hardcore and doesn't mind the larger player base guild.

[icantgetkills]

He can do whatever he wants, like I said, we're guests here.

If Moog or anyone else from the PL guild asks me to leave, out of respect, I will.

Look, I have nothing but respect for anyone in both guilds, no hate, no grudges, and definitely no homo. So I don't see the point in alienating both our guilds from each other, when we could clearly benefit from each other.

The way I see it, the PL guild is more PvE oriented, more community based, very close members.

Tragic is more PvP oriented, somewhat getting extended members. We even have lone in the guild now, last I checked.

So we can benefit from each other, PL guild gets grief'd on, Tragic can help. We lack characters or diversity on dungeons later on, PL guild can help.

lone and templars got kicked for fighting with extremely bad language last time i checked

[Formora]

Actually you can get that later and put points into shortening Permafrost's cooldown. Things will get better once you get Ice Meteor. For now stick with Shockwave -> Frost Blast -> Permafrost -> run (wait until permafrost goes out) -> shockwave remaining mobs. The "Spiked Stone Skin / Armor" is more of a PvP thing, since you will only be reflecting little damage back due to your large increase in armor. It works wonders for players and assasins who love to spam skill you once you are stunned with your "Spiked Stone Armor / Skin" up. XD

Hmm, in the lower levels 1k armor doesn't help much though. I will probably max it first so I can aoe without any worries, then the permafrost upgrade.


I'm trying to avoid all this drama, so all I'm going to say is that the few people who left recently disappointed me.

[BlazeMystic]

I was on the desert level last night and teamed up with two other random players - two frost mages and a divine monk. We cast permafrost next to each other and the monk gathered the mobs and we aeo'd away and the monk kept us alive by healing. The xp racked up, it was great. :) The other spell that I really like is the one that enables all spells currently on cool down to become active again. Works a treat.

I've started an assassin, and was wondering whether anyone has any advice about skill point allocation. I really like the ranger skill quick shot (I think it's called), is it worth investing points and also adding the poison ability on the archer class or is it best to go pure assassin? Thx.

[Ellyidol]

I've started an assassin, and was wondering whether anyone has any advice about skill point allocation. I really like the ranger skill quick shot (I think it's called), is it worth investing points and also adding the poison ability on the archer class or is it best to go pure assassin? Thx.

Rapid Shot? Are you talking about the talent that adds 2% more damage to RS per point? :) If so, then you probably don't need that as an Assassin.

The bonus damage poison is really good for an assassin though. You can apply it to both weapons, both having the chance to do a bonus of 225 (at level 60 upgrade) pure poison damage to the target. With your 2 daggers that attack pretty fast + that skill later on in the assassin tree (if you get it) that adds attack speed everytime you crit, that's a whole lot of chances to add that bonus poison damage pretty quick.

[Lesrider]

I don't want to get this thread locked, so I'll say one thing.

When you take 3-4 of our most active members who have been with us since the beginning and had even remade the guild with a name THEY CHOSE, that's not cool.

[shmoo]

Hmm, in the lower levels 1k armor doesn't help much though. I will probably max it first so I can aoe without any worries, then the permafrost upgrade.


The upgrade of reflect damage doesn't increase the armor added. So you would take damage as well. The way reflected damage works I think (I maybe wrong haha!) is that you also take the damage and your attacker takes it too. In duels, I noticed that if a melee attacker dies from reflected damage, he dies and the duel is cancelled. And he must spawn in a graveyard. :s

The +armor is also upgraded as you increase the spell rank (skill books).

[shmoo]

I was on the desert level last night and teamed up with two other random players - two frost mages and a divine monk. We cast permafrost next to each other and the monk gathered the mobs and we aeo'd away and the monk kept us alive by healing. The xp racked up, it was great. :) The other spell that I really like is the one that enables all spells currently on cool down to become active again. Works a treat.


Freezing Mind? Yeah that is quite great! Pop all your frost spells, EVERYTHING!!! Then refresh them and pop them again! 40 seconds of stone armor / skin goodness! XD

[Formora]

The upgrade of reflect damage doesn't increase the armor added. So you would take damage as well. The way reflected damage works I think (I maybe wrong haha!) is that you also take the damage and your attacker takes it too. In duels, I noticed that if a melee attacker dies from reflected damage, he dies and the duel is cancelled. And he must spawn in a graveyard. :s

The +armor is also upgraded as you increase the spell rank (skill books).

What do you mean? If it reflects 100% damage at level one, why wouldn't it when upgraded? I hope I don't take any damage. That defeats the whole purpose lol. I thought I would be invincible to all meelee attacks for 20 secs.

[joeychandler]

He can do whatever he wants, like I said, we're guests here.

If Moog or anyone else from the PL guild asks me to leave, out of respect, I will.

Look, I have nothing but respect for anyone in both guilds, no hate, no grudges, and definitely no homo. So I don't see the point in alienating both our guilds from each other, when we could clearly benefit from each other.

The way I see it, the PL guild is more PvE oriented, more community based, very close members.

Tragic is more PvP oriented, somewhat getting extended members. We even have lone in the guild now, last I checked.

So we can benefit from each other, PL guild gets grief'd on, Tragic can help. We lack characters or diversity on dungeons later on, PL guild can help.

So really, it's just like segregating personal playstyle into two different guilds. The PL guild likes a smaller, more casual guild, while Tragic is a more hardcore and doesn't mind the larger player base guild.

I'm not sure I can respect Tragic as a whole guild yet, as I've been spawn camped and ganked by some of their members. But you're right, there shouldn't be any hate between PLers cos of a guild switch. I still chat with some Tragic members (Teena, Echelong...) and we help each other out. (Shmoo please give me a chance at that elite crab
Sometime man? ;) ).
Outlaws4eva.....
@icantgetkills No. that is all

[Ellyidol]

I'm not sure I can respect Tragic as a whole guild yet, as I've been spawn camped and ganked by some of their members. But you're right, there shouldn't be any hate between PLers cos of a guild switch. I still chat with some Tragic members (Teena, Echelong...) and we help each other out. (Shmoo please give me a chance at that elite crab
Sometime man? ;) ).
Outlaws4eva.....
@icantgetkills No. that is all

Message me the names, as those are one of the things that we are not supposed to be doing, I'm on BabyElly as a main.

[joeychandler]

What do you mean? If it reflects 100% damage at level one, why wouldn't it when upgraded? I hope I don't take any damage. That defeats the whole purpose lol. I thought I would be invincible to all meelee attacks for 20 secs.

You still take damage, that would be OP as hell if you didn't. I'm still unsure if it reflects skill damage because the description sort of indicates that it doesnt ^^

[Formora]

You still take damage, that would be OP as hell if you didn't. I'm still unsure if it reflects skill damage because the description sort of indicates that it doesnt ^^

No, the stone spike upgrade is supposed to reflect 100% damage at level 3. So wouldn't that mean you can't take damage?

[Necrobane]

Formora, I wish my exams were over so I could play because my divine monk is lvl 33 and ive done all easier Vega quests and need to grind a level or two :/ I'll be done in a weeks time if you can be bothered waiting? It's a long shot but I figured I'd throw it out there,
Also Im posting till i hit 1k again, nice number to leave on.

[Formora]

Formora, I wish my exams were over so I could play because my divine monk is lvl 33 and ive done all easier Vega quests and need to grind a level or two :/ I'll be done in a weeks time if you can be bothered waiting? It's a long shot but I figured I'd throw it out there,
Also Im posting till i hit 1k again, nice number to leave on.

Yeah, I hate exams. I have to leave again in a few weeks, because I have another exam soon. So I'm trying to get my mage to 60 before that. Sorry :( I'm sure you can still level with one of our guild members though.

[Necrobane]

Haha, ok understood. Realised it was a long shot :P I'll find someone else to grind with. Elly I know the place you mentioned so ill try there.

[MoarPewPew]

I hope we get the new O&C update soon. I need something else to do other than duel.

[Ellyidol]

I hope we get the new O&C update soon. I need something else to do other than duel.

Kinda disappointing though that the new end-game stuff we'd have is just the additional quests from Update #1, right?

Unless I misunderstood Sara, Update #1 will only have those in bullet points and the ones from her second post in the forum. The dungeons, arenas, etc are still being worked on :(

[Formora]

Anyone know where the elemental king spawns? I want to farm a bit with my warrior :D

[Ellyidol]

Anyone know where the elemental king spawns? I want to farm a bit with my warrior :D

Vita Springs: Twilight. At the end, there's a small pool of water where it spawns around.

You'll either see a bunch of people camping it, or nobody at all indicating it just died or far from spawn time.

Spawn is 2 hours + 1 hour window, any time within that window, but noticed its usually on the quarters, 2:15, 2:30, 2:45, or 3.

[Formora]

Vita Springs: Twilight. At the end, there's a small pool of water where it spawns around.

You'll either see a bunch of people camping it, or nobody at all indicating it just died or far from spawn time.

Spawn is 2 hours + 1 hour window, any time within that window, but noticed its usually on the quarters, 2:15, 2:30, 2:45, or 3.

Cool, thanks. Will be farming his guards, Freja tells me they drop good loot.

[Ellyidol]

Cool, thanks. Will be farming his guards, Freja tells me they drop good loot.

They do indeed. I got a Bloodmoon off the guards the other day, completely unexpected as I was looking for one of the end-game blue weapons.

It can get quite crowded there, even for the guards, so I think Umbra Rift might drop the same kind of gear that the mobs there do. There's more in Umbra too. My guess would be 58-60 mobs drop the same gear.

[joeychandler]

No, the stone spike upgrade is supposed to reflect 100% damage at level 3. So wouldn't that mean you can't take damage?

You take damage, but all melee damage you receive is reflected, and received by the enemy too. So let's say a mob hits you for 100 dmg. At level 1, the enemy is hit for 30 damage... At level 2 they are hit for 60 damage... And at level 3, they receive the whole 100 damage. Hope this makes sense, yet to test with skill damage.

@Elly pmed

[Lesrider]

Lvl 58 bats don't drop the same loot as lvl 60 elementals, so there is definitely a big difference.

[Ellyidol]

Lvl 58 bats don't drop the same loot as lvl 60 elementals, so there is definitely a big difference.

Don't they? I've gotten a Lava King from both, guess it was just coincidence..

@joey

Haven't received any yet :)

[Lesrider]

Don't they? I've gotten a Lava King from both, guess it was just coincidence..

@joey

Haven't received any yet :)

Maybe lvl 58 items drop from both? But I killed a lot of bats and never got a lvl 60 green item (as far as I remember). Took killing elementals to get me lvl 60 legs.

[Ellyidol]

Maybe lvl 58 items drop from both? But I killed a lot of bats and never got a lvl 60 green item (as far as I remember). Took killing elementals to get me lvl 60 legs.

Maybe maybe..

Something weird with the elites after Fishfolk, IMO. Not sure with the elite human mobs right outside Suspended since I didn't grind there much. But after the 52 Elite Fishfolk mobs (which drop loads of gear, so good farming), the elite don't seem to drop loot that well anymore. The 56 screamers/banshees very rarely give gear, then the bats too. Kinda weird IMO.

[joeychandler]

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/joeych1andler/ade0634a.jpg

Pimpin new desert gear ^^

[FluffNStuff]

Hit level 24, and got through the Orlande quest without getting 'ganked'. Need to get to 26 because I have heard rumors there is a really good dagger at that level. Anyone know if it is a quest reward, and if so what quest?

[Lesrider]

Hit level 24, and got through the Orlande quest without getting 'ganked'. Need to get to 26 because I have heard rumors there is a really good dagger at that level. Anyone know if it is a quest reward, and if so what quest?

I think you're talking about the Penumbra, which was a quest item. I think it was one of the first quests in the Swamps, so maybe you're talking about something else?

[Formora]

They do indeed. I got a Bloodmoon off the guards the other day, completely unexpected as I was looking for one of the end-game blue weapons.

It can get quite crowded there, even for the guards, so I think Umbra Rift might drop the same kind of gear that the mobs there do. There's more in Umbra too. My guess would be 58-60 mobs drop the same gear.

Awesome. I looted three blues from the guards :)

Mob drops definitely aren't the same though, I think bats only drop the lava king trident, warship slasher, a bow and the pterosaurs. Guards have much cooler drops.

[Formora]

You take damage, but all melee damage you receive is reflected, and received by the enemy too. So let's say a mob hits you for 100 dmg. At level 1, the enemy is hit for 30 damage... At level 2 they are hit for 60 damage... And at level 3, they receive the whole 100 damage. Hope this makes sense, yet to test with skill damage.

@Elly pmed

So at level 3, the mob and I both take 100 damage? It said reflected, so I was under the impression that I wouldn't take any damage. Well meelee only of course.

Edit : Sorry for double post. Btw, looking good Joey ;)

[Lesrider]

So at level 3, the mob and I both take 100 damage? It said reflected, so I was under the impression that I wouldn't take any damage. Well meelee only of course.

Edit : Sorry for double post. Btw, looking good Joey ;)

I'm no Mage, but the way I'm understanding it is this -- while this buff (it is a buff, right?) is active, any damage you take is REFLECTED back at the mob, as in he takes 100% of the same damage. But at lower lvls of the skill, if you only reflect 30%, you would still take 100% of the damage but the mob would take 30%. and so on.

That's what I understand from what others here are saying, but I could be wrong since I don't have a Mage :p

Still sounds like a great skill -- any damage done to you is done to the mob as well. Sounds really useful in pvp.

[FluffNStuff]

I think you're talking about the Penumbra, which was a quest item. I think it was one of the first quests in the Swamps, so maybe you're talking about something else?

I think i was, and I have that. Just gotta find a slower dagger.

[Ellyidol]

Awesome. I looted three blues from the guards :)

Mob drops definitely aren't the same though, I think bats only drop the lava king trident, warship slasher, a bow and the pterosaurs. Guards have much cooler drops.

What did you get??? :O

If you happen to pass by any "Of the Offense" 59 Dagger/Bows, I might be interested! :p

The last offense 59 bow I saw was in AH for only 300 gold, was bought right before I pressed Buy Now :( lol

[Formora]

I'm no Mage, but the way I'm understanding it is this -- while this buff (it is a buff, right?) is active, any damage you take is REFLECTED back at the mob, as in he takes 100% of the same damage. But at lower lvls of the skill, if you only reflect 30%, you would still take 100% of the damage but the mob would take 30%. and so on.

That's what I understand from what others here are saying, but I could be wrong since I don't have a Mage :p

Still sounds like a great skill -- any damage done to you is done to the mob as well. Sounds really useful in pvp.

Yeah, it's probably like that. But it's only for meelee attacks anyway.


What did you get??? :O

If you happen to pass by any "Of the Offense" 59 Dagger/Bows, I might be interested! :p

The last offense 59 bow I saw was in AH for only 300 gold, was bought right before I pressed Buy Now :( lol

Let's see.. The 1h sword and hammer. And a slayer bow.

I'll look out for those.

[Lesrider]

I think i was, and I have that. Just gotta find a slower dagger.

You mean more damage?
I sent you a lvl 30 crafted dagger, but honestly not really sure how good it is. I'm using it on my archer, but melee is so insignificant for me that I haven't bothered looking for better weapons.

[Lesrider]

What did you get??? :O

If you happen to pass by any "Of the Offense" 59 Dagger/Bows, I might be interested! :p

The last offense 59 bow I saw was in AH for only 300 gold, was bought right before I pressed Buy Now :( lol

A friend sold that bow for 900g in less than 20 min (unless there's more than one lvl 59 blue bow?).

[lordwill0]

Anyone else having. Trouble logging in or just me :/

[FluffNStuff]

You mean more damage?
I sent you a lvl 30 crafted dagger, but honestly not really sure how good it is. I'm using it on my archer, but melee is so insignificant for me that I haven't bothered looking for better weapons.

Yeah, this one is fast so it has low high damage, great for off hand. Not sure about the ones you sent, those are level 30.

[Ellyidol]

@Form

Which Sword? Starts with an F of Barbarity?

@Les

Dangggg. Sold for 900? I've seen prices like those but never knew they'd sell! And no, if I'm not mistaken bows go Wind Cutter at 57, then that 59 Blue Bow. Flying bow I think?

I think damage wise it's short by a few points only, have to check again. But it's the 9 crit, roughly .9-1% more crit that sounds good.

[lordwill0]

And yeah average price for red lotus/lightning bow of offense is 1k gold each. Tbh I would just use seals

[FluffNStuff]

Anyone else having. Trouble logging in or just me :/

Thought my wifi-3G thing expired, and went through a bunch of stuff to purchase it. Still not logging in though :(

[Lesrider]

@Form

Which Sword? Starts with an F of Barbarity?

@Les

Dangggg. Sold for 900? I've seen prices like those but never knew they'd sell! And no, if I'm not mistaken bows go Wind Cutter at 57, then that 59 Blue Bow. Flying bow I think?

I think damage wise it's short by a few points only, have to check again. But it's the 9 crit, roughly .9-1% more crit that sounds good.

I looted a wind cutter, but remember being disappointed with it bc the green bow I was using (possibly even a quest item) had higher dps. Still holding onto it, haven't even checked what it's worth, but I'm sure not even close to what the 59 bow is worth.

[Formora]

@Form

Which Sword? Starts with an F of Barbarity?

@Les

Dangggg. Sold for 900? I've seen prices like those but never knew they'd sell! And no, if I'm not mistaken bows go Wind Cutter at 57, then that 59 Blue Bow. Flying bow I think?

I think damage wise it's short by a few points only, have to check again. But it's the 9 crit, roughly .9-1% more crit that sounds good.


It's the fername sword of... Attack I think. Not sure, I will check when I can get back on.

Yeah, I can't log in either.

[Ellyidol]

@Les

Yeah I use a Wind Cutter ONLY because it has the highest weapon damage for a bow, since my skills mainly rely on weapon damage. Tbh I could care less if they removed all the stats on the wind cutter, completely useless. Lol

@Form

If it's the Babarity piece, good money :)

[Formora]

@Les

Yeah I use a Wind Cutter ONLY because it has the highest weapon damage for a bow, since my skills mainly rely on weapon damage. Tbh I could care less if they removed all the stats on the wind cutter, completely useless. Lol

@Form

If it's the Babarity piece, good money :)

I'm pretty sure it's either Attack or Offense. Either way, I just want to be able to play again lol.

[Lesrider]

I'm pretty sure it's either Attack or Offense. Either way, I just want to be able to play again lol.

Too nice a a day here anyway. The disgustingly humid heatwave is over and I'm gonna enjoy the gorgeous weather. I'll likely be on tonight, though, debating whether to farm with my warrior or lvl one of my weakling alts :p

[Ellyidol]

I'm pretty sure it's either Attack or Offense. Either way, I just want to be able to play again lol.

Offense would sell pretty well too I think, would make a good dual wield weapon. Or I think it'll just be better than Barbarity actually. Lol

[Formora]

Too nice a a day here anyway. The disgustingly humid heatwave is over and I'm gonna enjoy the gorgeous weather. I'll likely be on tonight, though, debating whether to farm with my warrior or lvl one of my weakling alts :p

Haha, it's midnight here so I just wanna play a bit before sleeping. Go level your alt, and farm when you get bored :)

On second thought, I may level a ranger instead of monk. We'll see how things change after my mage is 60.


Offense would sell pretty well too I think, would make a good dual wield weapon. Or I think it'll just be better than Barbarity actually. Lol

Blah, the hammer and lighting bow are "slayer" items. Useless. The sword is attack.

[Doubletime]

Anyone looking for leather gear around level 33-36 or so. I am starting to get those as green drops in the isles and don't have anything to do with them other than liquidate. I would rather mail if someone needs them.

[BlazeMystic]

Rapid Shot? Are you talking about the talent that adds 2% more damage to RS per point? :) If so, then you probably don't need that as an Assassin.

The bonus damage poison is really good for an assassin though. You can apply it to both weapons, both having the chance to do a bonus of 225 (at level 60 upgrade) pure poison damage to the target. With your 2 daggers that attack pretty fast + that skill later on in the assassin tree (if you get it) that adds attack speed everytime you crit, that's a whole lot of chances to add that bonus poison damage pretty quick.


Ok I won't bother maxing out rapid shot

This poison skill looks really useful. Does it automatically apply the poison bonus to each weapon for 30 mins or do you have to purchase/find any materials to use for the skill to work? Sorry for my ignorance.

Formora - have you surpassed my level 39 yet? I've been on this level for ages and it's only 39! I dread to think how long later levels are going to take.

I agree stone skin is a complicated spell, made more complicated when you also have energy shield activated. I was also hoping that it would reflect all damage entirely, but sadly it doesn't. When that spell is maxed out (100%), whatever damage you take from melee, then same the same amount of damage is also reflected back to the other player. And if you have energy shield also activated and have the ability to reflect 100% back, then you end up only reflecting a small amount of damage back due to the shield. So it isn't as powerful as I originally thought.

[joeychandler]

You have to manually apply poison to each weapon every 30mins.

As for the stone armour reflect, I find it helps wear down assassins in PvP. In PvE, it's not much use

[Formora]

Okay, thanks for the clarification about stone spike.

I am still level 33, I have been farming with my warrior for a few hours now instead of grinding. It is such a pain to grind... Anyone know a good spot for 33-35?

[Kabog]

Vega.

Honestly on my way to my first 60 I hardly grind.
There should be enough quests on most places.
Some of the quests gets triggered on a certain level.


Okay, thanks for the clarification about stone spike.

I am still level 33, I have been farming with my warrior for a few hours now instead of grinding. It is such a pain to grind... Anyone know a good spot for 33-35?

[Formora]

Vega.

Honestly on my way to my first 60 I hardly grind.
There should be enough quests on most places.
Some of the quests gets triggered on a certain level.

Thanks, but I already knew that. It's I'm possible not to grind at some point, my warrior had to for 1-2 levels every map.

[Lesrider]

All you assassins out there -- should I respec my archer as an assassin? I'm finding it to be a really slow and boring grind to 60 since I have to stand back and avoid monster spawn points with my archer. Is assassin more fun or is it just a watered down version of warrior with less defense?

[Doubletime]

Okay, thanks for the clarification about stone spike.

I am still level 33, I have been farming with my warrior for a few hours now instead of grinding. It is such a pain to grind... Anyone know a good spot for 33-35?

Formora, you can start picking up quests again at level 33-34 in the Fallen Star Strait area. I am at 33 right now on my mage alt (Doubletimexx) and ran out of quests from Vega except for the daily and the repeatable one. Honestly, Vega is a little stressful for my taste to spend a lot of time grinding mobs there.

So I just went on over to the Strait (you can just teleport), did the first kill fishfolk quest, went on to the Hall of Reverie because I need to be 34 for the next and did the kill fishfolk daily there. The Fishfolk mobs are at level for you, so you should be able to take a couple at a time and there are enough of them you don't have to spend a lot of time waiting for spawns. I'm there now. I will be off for a couple hours, but back on later. Shoot me a PM if you want to team up and grind some.

Also, there is the Daily from the camp below Vega to kill the One's Legacy. It gives a good bit of xp but the mob is a 38. I can sign on my main and take it out with you so you can turn in if you Whisper me in-game. My main is close by it in Vega still.

[Echelong]

All you assassins out there -- should I respec my archer as an assassin? I'm finding it to be a really slow and boring grind to 60 since I have to stand back and avoid monster spawn points with my archer. Is assassin more fun or is it just a watered down version of warrior with less defense?

Assassin isn't boring at all but its a lot harder to level. You will consume more potions and will have to eat more food between enemies. Also for an archer its easy to kill a mob 2 or 3 levels above and for an assassin its a chore and you will only be able to kill one or 2 of those then rest.

IMO stay archer till 60 then you can respec if you want but for 1v1 pvp but archers are really good at it too. My highest crit is 2,300 while Mits has done 2,800+

[Formora]

Formora, you can start picking up quests again at level 33-34 in the Fallen Star Strait area. I am at 33 right now on my mage alt (Doubletimexx) and ran out of quests from Vega except for the daily and the repeatable one. Honestly, Vega is a little stressful for my taste to spend a lot of time grinding mobs there.

So I just went on over to the Strait (you can just teleport), did the first kill fishfolk quest, went on to the Hall of Reverie because I need to be 34 for the next and did the kill fishfolk daily there. The Fishfolk mobs are at level for you, so you should be able to take a couple at a time and there are enough of them you don't have to spend a lot of time waiting for spawns. I'm there now. I will be off for a couple hours, but back on later. Shoot me a PM if you want to team up and grind some.

Also, there is the Daily from the camp below Vega to kill the One's Legacy. It gives a good bit of xp but the mob is a 38. I can sign on my main and take it out with you so you can turn in if you Whisper me in-game. My main is close by it in Vega still.

I just hit 34 at the vega mobs. Pretty quiet now, but I'll head over to strait. I already did the fishfolk quest.

My mage is Signos, feel free to add me. Will be grinding a bit now.

[FluffNStuff]

Assassin isn't boring at all but its a lot harder to level. You will consume more potions and will have to eat more food between enemies. Also for an archer its easy to kill a mob 2 or 3 levels above and for an assassin its a chore and you will only be able to kill one or 2 of those then rest.

IMO stay archer till 60 then you can respec if you want but for 1v1 pvp but archers are really good at it too. My highest crit is 2,300 while Mits has done 2,800+

Only 24, but I am enjoying assassin. Biggest issue seems to be vigor. Killing one mob is easy (its blind the whole time), but after that your vigor becomes a huge issue. Also, your best attacks come when invisible or the mob is stunned, so excited about getting the 'in fight' shadow, or what I think is in fight shadow.

Unrelated, I am 24 now and the only quest I have is 'Lord of the Swamps' which seems to be 28-29 mobs. Am I missing some quests? I do have two others, but those are collect worms and ruins, and seem to just repeat.

[Lesrider]

Only 24, but I am enjoying assassin. Biggest issue seems to be vigor. Killing one mob is easy (its blind the whole time), but after that your vigor becomes a huge issue. Also, your best attacks come when invisible or the mob is stunned, so excited about getting the 'in fight' shadow, or what I think is in fight shadow.

Unrelated, I am 24 now and the only quest I have is 'Lord of the Swamps' which seems to be 28-29 mobs. Am I missing some quests? I do have two others, but those are collect worms and ruins, and seem to just repeat.

There are some quests at the library, but you may be too low lvl for them. Have you finished all the Miskatonia quests? There should be some in Eolter (I hate that place), but lvl 24 is pretty low for that as well. I know at some point around lvl 25 you maybe need to farm fishfolk near the library for a level or two.

[FluffNStuff]

All you assassins out there -- should I respec my archer as an assassin? I'm finding it to be a really slow and boring grind to 60 since I have to stand back and avoid monster spawn points with my archer. Is assassin more fun or is it just a watered down version of warrior with less defense?

As long as you are taking your first shot from the shadow, archer is gonna be a much faster 'grind'.
As for fun, guess that is relative. The way I see assassin vs warrior is warrior is gonna go in the front door, while the assassin needs to find a better way :) Surveying an area, looking for a good 'staging' spot, and get in, kill, get out is pretty fun to me.

[FluffNStuff]

There are some quests at the library, but you may be too low lvl for them. Have you finished all the Miskatonia quests? There should be some in Eolter (I hate that place), but lvl 24 is pretty low for that as well. I know at some point around lvl 25 you maybe need to farm fishfolk near the library for a level or two.

I did the necromancer quests, the town rumors quest, and the orlande quest. Is the library the necromancer quests?

[Echelong]

Only 24, but I am enjoying assassin. Biggest issue seems to be vigor. Killing one mob is easy (its blind the whole time), but after that your vigor becomes a huge issue. Also, your best attacks come when invisible or the mob is stunned, so excited about getting the 'in fight' shadow, or what I think is in fight shadow.

Unrelated, I am 24 now and the only quest I have is 'Lord of the Swamps' which seems to be 28-29 mobs. Am I missing some quests? I do have two others, but those are collect worms and ruins, and seem to just repeat.

At low levels its harder, after you get surprise attack it becomes easier. I just use stun and 2 dagger stabs and target should be dead if at least one of them crits, then go to the next mob use surprise attack and 2 dagger stabs, rinse and repeat. If you get more than 1 mob at a time then vigor is really an issue. I suggest use evade (if you have it upgraded to 50% dodge because blind will drain your vigor pretty fast.

I only wish our 3 talents spent on the vigor talent would be like the one archers have that adds 20 vigor and you don't lose vigor when hit below 50.

For the quests have you checked the other towns? The one close to the pvp area and the one at the east? In the swamps there are a lot of quests maybe you need a level or 2 more to be able to get the quests.

[Formora]

Only 24, but I am enjoying assassin. Biggest issue seems to be vigor. Killing one mob is easy (its blind the whole time), but after that your vigor becomes a huge issue. Also, your best attacks come when invisible or the mob is stunned, so excited about getting the 'in fight' shadow, or what I think is in fight shadow.

Unrelated, I am 24 now and the only quest I have is 'Lord of the Swamps' which seems to be 28-29 mobs. Am I missing some quests? I do have two others, but those are collect worms and ruins, and seem to just repeat.

Hate to say it, but you have to grind till 25/26. Then you can finish up the eoltarblod/olande quests.

[FluffNStuff]

At low levels its harder, after you get surprise attack it becomes easier. I just use stun and 2 dagger stabs and target should be dead if at least one of them crits, then go to the next mob use surprise attack and 2 dagger stabs, rinse and repeat. If you get more than 1 mob at a time then vigor is really an issue. I suggest use evade (if you have it upgraded to 50% dodge because blind will drain your vigor pretty fast.

I only wish our 3 talents spent on the vigor talent would be like the one archers have that adds 20 vigor and you don't lose vigor when hit below 50.

For the quests have you checked the other towns? The one close to the pvp area and the one at the east? In the swamps there are a lot of quests maybe you need a level or 2 more to be able to get the quests.

Using mostly shadow attack then dagger stab now, of course pretty low level, so just got dagger stab, and none of the 'upgrades'.

[Lesrider]

I did the necromancer quests, the town rumors quest, and the orlande quest. Is the library the necromancer quests?

You mean necro academy quests? And the rumors quest was glimmermoore. There aren't many in Miskatonia at first, but more Olande quests become available later. Teleport to the library if you haven't been there yet and you should get a few quests --- they may be tough for a lvl 24, tho. I think I was 26-27 when I got them. But you can pick them up and then farm the lvl 26 fishfolk (not the lvl 27 -- they're nasty archers). They're fish that can't swim, so stay near the edge and farm the ones that are loners. If you get into trouble, just run out into the water and they'll stop attacking :)

[Echelong]

Using mostly shadow attack then dagger stab now, of course pretty low level, so just got dagger stab, and none of the 'upgrades'.

This is my current build I still have 4 unused talent points that I would put into cutthroat and apnea if it wasn't bugged.
http://www.war-tools.com/t72427.html?b=904101s350150311551311305121

I have pin feet because for higher level mobs its easier to pull them and play archer with them till they get close and then use surprise attack and dagger stab to finish them up without taking damage. Also pin feet is very good for pvp and CC.

[FluffNStuff]

This is my current build I still have 4 unused talent points that I would put into cutthroat and apnea if it wasn't bugged.
http://www.war-tools.com/t72427.html?b=904101s350150311551311305121

I have pin feet because for higher level mobs its easier to pull them and play archer with them till they get close and then use surprise attack and dagger stab to finish them up without taking damage. Also pin feet is very good for pvp and CC.

No Sneak attack?

[Echelong]

No Sneak attack?

Nope. You only use the sneak crit once per fight and even if it crits its not that big a deal to change the tide of battle. If it was added crit % to dagger stab while the target is stunned I would take it but the way it is its worthless. You will use 5 talent points to get about 400 damage to a fight at it only works once. There are far better talents than that and at the end levels you will crit a lot when sneaking.

[FluffNStuff]

Nope. You only use the sneak crit once per fight and even if it crits its not that big a deal to change the tide of battle. If it was added crit % to dagger stab while the target is stunned I would take it but the way it is its worthless. You will use 5 talent points to get about 400 damage to a fight at it only works once. There are far better talents than that and at the end levels you will crit a lot when sneaking.

Wonder if it would be worth to respec yet. I have points in cutthroat and apnea, but I heard those are bugged like it doesn't actually stop the target from casting. I also have 3 or 4 points in Sneak Attack, but I guess at this level the damage is good, so maybe waiting a levels to respec might be the way to go.

[Ellyidol]

Wonder if it would be worth to respec yet. I have points in cutthroat and apnea, but I heard those are bugged like it doesn't actually stop the target from casting. I also have 3 or 4 points in Sneak Attack, but I guess at this level the damage is good, so maybe waiting a levels to respec might be the way to go.

I've heard that too but it's always worked for me in PvE and pvp actually.

Just remember that warriors and archer mobs can't be silenced, since they use skills and not spells, same in pvp. Only monks and mages can be silenced.

[FluffNStuff]

Doesnt smoke bomb put you into sneak mode during a fight giving you another sneak crit chance, or is that not viable with vigor limitations. Also, there is a level 25 blue called assassins dagger. Is this a crafting item or drop. If thete is a high damage dagger coming soon from quest, let me know or will buy.

[shmoo]

I'm not sure I can respect Tragic as a whole guild yet, as I've been spawn camped and ganked by some of their members. But you're right, there shouldn't be any hate between PLers cos of a guild switch. I still chat with some Tragic members (Teena, Echelong...) and we help each other out. (Shmoo please give me a chance at that elite crab
Sometime man? ;) ).
Outlaws4eva.....
@icantgetkills No. that is all

Haven't been back at that crab for quite a while a now as I am training a boxer monk :banana:

Here is what that crab looks like:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/shmoo83/Order%20and%20Chaos%20Online/karla_krab.png

[shmoo]

I hope we get the new O&C update soon. I need something else to do other than duel.

Make 7 more 60's! One for each tree in each class... :banana:

[shmoo]

You still take damage, that would be OP as hell if you didn't. I'm still unsure if it reflects skill damage because the description sort of indicates that it doesnt ^^

I agree if it would reflect damage and the mage won't be taking damage making it OP! (especially since its paired with energy shield)
It does reflect 100% at level 3 (max level) so if a warrior will use Swift Strike and crit you for 500 damage, you get 500 damage and the warriors gets 500 damage as well. Kinda like an eye for an eye. What I find confusing is that since you get +8000 armor, that 500 will be reduced, I was hoping the reflected damage won't be reduced but I think since the damage that hit you is reduced, logically the reflected damage is reduced... I have not tested this yet.

I don't think it works with ranged damage, I tried with Elly's Snipe, although the damage is greatly reduced. I think Elly hit me with Snipe Crit damage for only 300? (With stone armor and energy shield up) XD

What I also experienced is that a lot of aggressive melee attackers that die in duels due to reflected damage and hence can't be resurrected lol... and must respawn in graveyard. XD

[shmoo]

Don't they? I've gotten a Lava King from both, guess it was just coincidence..

@joey

Haven't received any yet :)

Might be better to send in-game mail instead? :D

[shmoo]

Anyone looking for leather gear around level 33-36 or so. I am starting to get those as green drops in the isles and don't have anything to do with them other than liquidate. I would rather mail if someone needs them.

Maybe Lone would want some?

[MITSUISUN]

Make 7 more 60's! One for each tree in each class... :banana:

Lol

Man maybe that's really what I am doing... On 3rd and 4th now. Maybe i really would, but i would need to think of new names...

Ok, maybe in July for battle war and military monk

[Echelong]

I've heard that too but it's always worked for me in PvE and pvp actually.

Just remember that warriors and archer mobs can't be silenced, since they use skills and not spells, same in pvp. Only monks and mages can be silenced.

I'll try it maybe it gont fixed. When I used it against casters it didn't interrupt spell and didn't silence them. Also smoke bomb didn't work well on pvp because the other player could still see me and target me I am not sure if this was fixed.

Fluff Respec at 40 minimum that is when you can have the better skills and you will see the ones you like the most and suit your play style.

[Echelong]

Lol

Man maybe that's really what I am doing... On 3rd and 4th now. Maybe i really would, but i would need to think of new names...

Ok, maybe in July for battle war and military monk

Mįtšuįsūn
Mïtśuiśun
Etc etc. (this is not a name though but can be used too @.@)

[Ellyidol]

Yes Shmoo, my usual 2K+ crit snipe on mages turned to 300 on you -.- lol

Taught me a really good lesson though, waste of vigor and time trying to damage a buffed up opponent, so DoTs all the way - they aren't reduced unless it's a direct % reduction (like monk buff of 50% less damage taken).

Btw, I came across a thread in OC forum that might help assassins's vigor problem. Apparently someone found out a bug, or a typo. You know those gear that add "Gain X mana after 8 seconds"? They work for vigor.

The usual vigor gain is 10 every second I think? So having one of that 8 mana gain gear would make it 18 every second, and so on. Really good IMO.

[shmoo]

Yes Shmoo, my usual 2K+ crit snipe on mages turned to 300 on you -.- lol

Taught me a really good lesson though, waste of vigor and time trying to damage a buffed up opponent, so DoTs all the way - they aren't reduced unless it's a direct % reduction (like monk buff of 50% less damage taken).

Btw, I came across a thread in OC forum that might help assassins's vigor problem. Apparently someone found out a bug, or a typo. You know those gear that add "Gain X mana after 8 seconds"? They work for vigor.

The usual vigor gain is 10 every second I think? So having one of that 8 mana gain gear would make it 18 every second, and so on. Really good IMO.

Lol more bugs! :banana:
Next thing you know, adding more wisdom to a warrior gets your morale up... XD

[Ellyidol]

Lol more bugs! :banana:
Next thing you know, adding more wisdom to a warrior gets your morale up... XD

I've heard that too! Moog might even attest to that, last I heard he tried it with a few wisdom rings.

It'd be cool in a way, more diversity in builds, etc. Just kinda weird IMO.

Just like how there was speculation that archer/warrior skills followed the % crit of spell power and the ranged attack crit rate only worked for normal attacks. Doesn't work that way, but just goes to show how much speculation there is going around. Lol.

I kinda believe that vigor regen though. Though I haven't tried it personally, it does make sense and very possible.

[Formora]

Okay, I got to level 37 on my mage. I already got the quest that took me to desert, and did the one after that (killing the wolves). The next quest is greyed out so I guess I have to grind the last 30k exp needed to 38. Killing the level 40 sacrathar elites aren't really effective, they're 3 levels higher and resist quite a bit. So, I think I'll stick with graveyard zombies.

[Lesrider]

Okay, I got to level 37 on my mage. I already got the quest that took me to desert, and did the one after that (killing the wolves). The next quest is greyed out so I guess I have to grind the last 30k exp needed to 38. Killing the level 40 sacrathar elites aren't really effective, they're 3 levels higher and resist quite a bit. So, I think I'll stick with graveyard zombies.

Dang, now how'm I supposed to catch up with you? :p

[Moogerfooger]

Okay, I got to level 37 on my mage. I already got the quest that took me to desert, and did the one after that (killing the wolves). The next quest is greyed out so I guess I have to grind the last 30k exp needed to 38. Killing the level 40 sacrathar elites aren't really effective, they're 3 levels higher and resist quite a bit. So, I think I'll stick with graveyard zombies.

Dude, slow down. Some of us are getting ready to drive across the US, how are we gonna farm together if you are 50 in two days at the rate you are going? ;)

[Formora]

Just hit 39, been aoe-ing the desert elites since 38. They're actually pretty easy, but if the area is crowded and the spawn times are messed up then it sucks. Especially when your group is almost dead and suddenly another one pops up.


Dang, now how'm I supposed to catch up with you? :p

I thought you said you could catch up by tomorrow :p


Dude, slow down. Some of us are getting ready to drive across the US, how are we gonna farm together if you are 50 in two days at the rate you are going? ;)

I was waiting on you today :( Grinding on non-elites on island was hell lol. I'm trying to get to 41, excited to get meteor storm! But I will slow down next week.

[Echelong]

Dude, slow down. Some of us are getting ready to drive across the US, how are we gonna farm together if you are 50 in two days at the rate you are going? ;)

What level is your monk? You are mostly military right?

[Moogerfooger]

What level is your monk? You are mostly military right?

36.5 with no quests, so was grinding on the hard-hitting rock dudes at Hall of Reverie but Formora indirectly mentioned the zombies in the Graveyard, which don't hit as hard so may head back there. Mostly military, polearm. Will switch to Divine at 45-50, but I am an offense type of guy (or offensive, take your pick, ha)

[Ellyidol]

Form, in the 39/40 elite desert area, are those "stuck" archer mobs still there?

Last I checked with brother there were like 20 of them just "stuck". You can target, but they're technically dead. Somehow their sprites just got left behind.

It really sucked bad because of that max number of sprites in the screen thing, so to see an actual mob, you'll have to move practically next to it.

[Echelong]

36.5 with no quests, so was grinding on the hard-hitting rock dudes at Hall of Reverie but Formora indirectly mentioned the zombies in the Graveyard, which don't hit as hard so may head back there. Mostly military, polearm. Will switch to Divine at 45-50, but I am an offense type of guy (or offensive, take your pick, ha)

I took Elly's suggestion and went hybrid at 50 and its a lot better than military alone. I got all the talent points till I was able to get Divine Breath which gives you 80% mana regen in 5 seconds and has a 1 min cd. All the rest of the points are in military so you can get all the AOE spells and have good mana regen. Since I did that I've only used 5 mana pots while grinding one whole level on elites higher level than me and not a single stop for food.

I am placing points in fist master because those 10% hit points are a lot and get me close to 90% hit. I am using mostly military gear and I have about 400 mana regen with 5600 mana if I use wisdom I can get more but kill slower. So far I still don't have the AOE spells I need but killing 1 at a time its more efficient for now and when I was grinding with asi he was killing while I supplied mana, healing and helped with the killing process.

I will see what I can craft for you and send it in.

Thanks Elly for the advice it was well worth it.

[Ellyidol]

I took Elly's suggestion and went hybrid at 50 and its a lot better than military alone. I got all the talent points till I was able to get Divine Breath which gives you 80% mana regen in 5 seconds and has a 1 min cd. All the rest of the points are in military so you can get all the AOE spells and have good mana regen. Since I did that I've only used 5 mana pots while grinding one whole level on elites higher level than me and not a single stop for food.

I am placing points in fist master because those 10% hit points are a lot and get me close to 90% hit. I am using mostly military gear and I have about 400 mana regen with 5600 mana if I use wisdom I can get more but kill slower. So far I still don't have the AOE spells I need but killing 1 at a time its more efficient for now and when I was grinding with asi he was killing while I supplied mana, healing and helped with the killing process.

I will see what I can craft for you and send it in.

Thanks Elly for the advice it was well worth it.

Lol no credit at all to me, I was just amazed at what it could do when I actually tried it myself :)

There was this pure AoE PvE build I was thinking of for a monk, one sec let me whip out the talent calculator :)

[Echelong]

Lol no credit at all to me, I was just amazed at what it could do when I actually tried it myself :)

There was this pure AoE PvE build I was thinking of for a monk, one sec let me whip out the talent calculator :)

This is the one I am thinking I prefer the 10% hit over the daze and 5% crit because if you can't hit your target what purpose does crit have right?

http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html?b=95c5101301552011e10015151035010031g

[Benaorn]

Ech, if you switch to 2h your hit will go up. Your hit will take a hit if you dual weild.

[Formora]

Form, in the 39/40 elite desert area, are those "stuck" archer mobs still there?

Last I checked with brother there were like 20 of them just "stuck". You can target, but they're technically dead. Somehow their sprites just got left behind.

It really sucked bad because of that max number of sprites in the screen thing, so to see an actual mob, you'll have to move practically next to it.

Yeah, they are gone. There use to be 2-3 when I was on my warrior.

[Ellyidol]

This is the one I am thinking I prefer the 10% hit over the daze and 5% crit because if you can't hit your target what purpose does crit have right?

http://www.war-tools.com/t72470.html?b=95c5101301552011e10015151035010031g

Yeah thats true.

I was thinking this for PURE PvE/AoE :

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=035015050550100000100051005100501313000000 0

Polearm, all AoE, and only self-healing needed.

And yeah Bebaorn is right, only dual causes the hit to go down. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but the crit % you gain from the Mantis upgrade was only for polearms too.



Yeah, they are gone. There use to be 2-3 when I was on my warrior.


Thank God! Those were the most annoying things I've come across yet. Lol

[Echelong]

Yeah thats true.

I was thinking this for PURE PvE/AoE :

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=035015050550100000100051005100501313000000 0

Polearm, all AoE, and only self-healing needed.

And yeah Bebaorn is right, only dual causes the hit to go down. I'm not sure if they fixed it, but the crit % you gain from the Mantis upgrade was only for polearms too.





Thank God! Those were the most annoying things I've come across yet. Lol


Ok going to try a polearm and see if my hit % goes up. Now all I need is to find a good polearm for lvl 50....

[Ellyidol]

Ok going to try a polearm and see if my hit % goes up. Now all I need is to find a good polearm for lvl 50....

I think there's a good trio to follow once you hit desert.

The first one would be the last quest from that huge dragon, he gives a good trident looking polearm.

Next would be a blue one from the humanoid elites in the tower (forgot name). It looks like a trident still, with reddish marks on the tips of the trident.

I think that would do you good until you get to 58 for the Lava King Trident :)

[Echelong]

I think there's a good trio to follow once you hit desert.

The first one would be the last quest from that huge dragon, he gives a good trident looking polearm.

Next would be a blue one from the humanoid elites in the tower (forgot name). It looks like a trident still, with reddish marks on the tips of the trident.

I think that would do you good until you get to 58 for the Lava King Trident :)

Yeah gonna check the AH later to see if I can find a suitable weapon. I saw your spec and its good. I was thinking of a pve build for solo and groups and if I don't lose hit% with polearms then with 8%hit I could be close to 100% depending on how much I lose or gain.

Here is the one I am thinking. I am using tiger claw because the CD is 2seconds and it hits pretty hard with claws but gonna have to check with a polearm.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005015031551102001100051015142101013000000 0

[Ellyidol]

Yeah gonna check the AH later to see if I can find a suitable weapon. I saw your spec and its good. I was thinking of a pve build for solo and groups and if I don't lose hit% with polearms then with 8%hit I could be close to 100% depending on how much I lose or gain.

Here is the one I am thinking. I am using tiger claw because the CD is 2seconds and it hits pretty hard with claws but gonna have to check with a polearm.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005015031551102001100051015142101013000000 0

Yeah I'd choose your build if your definitely going for Fist/Weapon and single targets only.

I moved one talent point though, I was never a big fan of the 1% Health/Mana talent, so I just moved that to Tiger Claw upgrade, and 1 to that 1% Str/Agi gain thing :)

I actually haven't seen that build in pvp yet, divine enough for 80% restore but military for tiger claw.

[Benaorn]

Ech, it hits harder with polearm. You just don't get the chance for 2 or 3 hits. Even if you use polearm, I think you should invest 1 point into tiger claw because it does pretty good damage for 1 points and 3 second cool down on single target.

[Ellyidol]

Ech, it hits harder with polearm. You just don't get the chance for 2 or 3 hits. Even if you use polearm, I think you should invest 1 point into tiger claw because it does pretty good damage for 1 points and 3 second cool down on single target.

Tiger Claw hits harder with polearm? If it doesn't proc, then definitely.

But with all the procs, etc, polearms only hit harder on Mantis Cudgel because of the pure weapon damage needed. For TC and even Lions Breathe, Fist/Weapon would hit harder because of the split weapon %s it goes through.

[Kabog]

This is correct.

Tiger strike is a must have skill regardless of polearm or fist your using.
It's very useful skill to spam for PVE and PVP.
Believe me on that one.


Ech, it hits harder with polearm. You just don't get the chance for 2 or 3 hits. Even if you use polearm, I think you should invest 1 point into tiger claw because it does pretty good damage for 1 points and 3 second cool down on single target.

[Echelong]

Tiger Claw hits harder with polearm? If it doesn't proc, then definitely.

But with all the procs, etc, polearms only hit harder on Mantis Cudgel because of the pure weapon damage needed. For TC and even Lions Breathe, Fist/Weapon would hit harder because of the split weapon %s it goes through.


Got a polearm and the difference in hit% is 10%. At the moment I have 2 points in fist master and I have 96+% on hit when using a polearm, that is a lot. I am gonna invest in staff master cause 2 points seem enough for my hit%.

Regardless if you are using fist or 2h weapons tiger claw is a very nice skill and the 2 points invested in fist master for a 4% hit is a good use of talent points IMO.

Wich makes me think that an archer would be better off using only 1 weapon and leaving the offhand with nothing. 10% hit could bring an archer to 100% hit, off course this is just in theory but could be good to test that.

[Benaorn]

Ech, can you compare the damage with 1h and 2h on your main hand? Is 2h double that of 1h fist?

[Echelong]

Ech, can you compare the damage with 1h and 2h on your main hand? Is 2h double that of 1h fist?

2h is polearm or staff. Damage is a bit more per hit but the speed is a lot less. I think DPS wise fist is a bit better but with the hit% reduction real DPS would be less but I would have to test that out.

I noticed if I use only 1 fist only my hit% goes to 100%. I want to test this on an archer. Elly test that and let me know hehe.

[Ellyidol]

2h is polearm or staff. Damage is a bit more per hit but the speed is a lot less. I think DPS wise fist is a bit better but with the hit% reduction real DPS would be less but I would have to test that out.

I noticed if I use only 1 fist only my hit% goes to 100%. I want to test this on an archer. Elly test that and let me know hehe.

Yeah tested before, Polearms only do more damage than Fist/Weapon when Tiger Claw doesn't proc and on Mantis Cudgel.

Mantis goes directly % of main hand damage, I think, so the higher weapon damage polearm wins. If the Tiger Claw doesn't proc, the higher weapon damage polearm wins again.

For Dragon Kick though, damage there seems pretty fixed. It was doing constant 1k if I crit on either polearm/fist. For Lion Breathe, the fist/weapon definitely does more. It goes 200% of each hand, somehow giving it more. Not sure on exact numbers but I'm definite it's more. If you use LB with a fist/weapon, the skill splits in two hits, which I'm not even sure if it'd roll as one crit or two separate ones. Crazy good if both those split attacks would crit separately.

Phoenix is fixed no matter what since it's a spell.

[Benaorn]

2h is polearm or staff. Damage is a bit more per hit but the speed is a lot less. I think DPS wise fist is a bit better but with the hit% reduction real DPS would be less but I would have to test that out.

I noticed if I use only 1 fist only my hit% goes to 100%. I want to test this on an archer. Elly test that and let me know hehe.

Your best 1h fist and 2h polearm. I want to see how much more damage if the fist master proc. It's 50% main hand weapon damage + 48 for tiger claw.

Edit: Do you guys think 5 points in Selfless Muse is worth it? If your mana regen is 400/8 seconds that would give you 440/8 seconds and does the 440/8 seconds apply when you are in combat? I know mana regen when in combat but not sure if it's 100% regen.

[Echelong]

Your best 1h fist and 2h polearm. I want to see how much more damage if the fist master proc. It's 50% main hand weapon damage + 48 for tiger claw.

Edit: Do you guys think 5 points in Selfless Muse is worth it? If your mana regen is 400/8 seconds that would give you 440/8 seconds and does the 440/8 seconds apply when you are in combat? I know mana regen when in combat but not sure if it's 100% regen.


Polearm Slave Hunter Spike hits with tiger claw 380 average and crits 765
normal hits 240

Fist Gladiator Terminator hits with tiger claw where 330 average and 658 crits.
normal hits 125

On tiger claw like I said difference is marginal but if it procs you will get a lot more damage from fist cause damage is multiplied by 2 or 3. But you and elly opened my eyes on the hit reduction.

Selfless muse is worth it for me if I am using str gear because it gives me about 35 more mana regen and it helps. If you are using wisdom gear its not worth it cause you already regen enough. For spell damage gear it might be worth it.

The one I think its not worth it is Natural body. a 3% is not enough at least IMO. You will get 7 or 8 more str and agl. The mana I like it because of divine breath.

Elly what I want you to test the hit % is taking the off hand dagger on your archer and see if you get 100% hit and count the misses in at least 20 hits. Dodges don't count only misses. I will test this on my ranger but archer is the one suited for this.

[Ellyidol]

I think it'll only affect my melee hit % though, since my ranged hit % is 100%, while melee is at 88%. I also like the extra stats from my second dagger :p

[Echelong]

I think it'll only affect my melee hit % though, since my ranged hit % is 100%, while melee is at 88%. I also like the extra stats from my second dagger :p

Ok right the hit% between range and melee are different. Forgot about that mostly because I am focused on melee.

[Kabog]

Useless skill if you ask me I would rather put it on FOF + improvement.


Your best 1h fist and 2h polearm. I want to see how much more damage if the fist master proc. It's 50% main hand weapon damage + 48 for tiger claw.

Edit: Do you guys think 5 points in Selfless Muse is worth it? If your mana regen is 400/8 seconds that would give you 440/8 seconds and does the 440/8 seconds apply when you are in combat? I know mana regen when in combat but not sure if it's 100% regen.

[Kabog]

The only problem with fist weapon with tiger strike + improvement is that it doesn't proc enough for me which doesn't justify the damage output compared to polearm.
That's just what I feel about it since I've tried both significantly and the benefit of polearm with mantis + daze is incredible for pvp and pve compared to the fist + tiger that hardly procs.

[CryoBlade]

Do you guys think that my talent tree for a ranger is good so far?
http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=105013113015001000000000000000000000000000 00

[Lesrider]

Do you guys think that my talent tree for a ranger is good so far?
http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=105013113015001000000000000000000000000000 00

You like split shot? I find it utterly useless and will get rid of it when I respec. Explosive shot does much more damage and usually knocks them down. Split shot causes more harm than it's worth.

[CryoBlade]

Well, there's nothing better to put it on at my level. I try to use it only on one target to make the kills go faster, but I will respec and get rid of it when I'm high level enough to get explosive shot.

[Lesrider]

Well, there's nothing better to put it on at my level. I try to use it only on one target to make the kills go faster, but I will respec and get rid of it when I'm high level enough to get explosive shot.

Yeah, that's why I took it -- was the only other skill besides rapid shot. But it's really awful. That point is much better used on passive skills.

[CryoBlade]

Just killed a rare spawn boss and got a Master Sergeant's Symbol. Is this used for crafting?

[Lesrider]

Just killed a rare spawn boss and got a Master Sergeant's Symbol. Is this used for crafting?

Yep, I believe it's for lower level blues if I remember correctly (like 25ish).

[CryoBlade]

Oh nice, perfect for my level. Do I just need one or more?

[Lesrider]

Oh nice, perfect for my level. Do I just need one or more?

You need a recipe that uses them :p
What's your craft? I know for smithing there's at least one weapon that uses a MS symbol.

[CryoBlade]

My craft is the leather thingy. Forgot what it was called

[Inching]

Do you guys think that my talent tree for a ranger is good so far?
http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=105013113015001000000000000000000000000000 00

having 1 pt in split shot is fine but dont put anymore to it.... its useless really.... also u need to max out pin feet tree if u want to make it in the higher levels because your lter skills like snipe takes time to aim and shoot and if u dont have pin feet maxed u wont have enough time to use them effectively.

[Inching]

anyone uses "shooter stance" ??? is it any good? thx

[Lesrider]

Lol I got this awesome new helm that reminded me of PL.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/96530452.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/2b352fa0.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/511f9121.jpg

[Lesrider]

having 1 pt in split shot is fine but dont put anymore to it.... its useless really.... also u need to max out pin feet tree if u want to make it in the higher levels because your lter skills like snipe takes time to aim and shoot and if u dont have pin feet maxed u wont have enough time to use them effectively.

Eh, I'm getting rid of it. I don't use it at all bc it does the same damage as rapid shot but uses much more vigor and has a longer cooldown. I use explosive when I can and rapid all other times.

[Ellyidol]

anyone uses "shooter stance" ??? is it any good? thx

I've seen a few who try and use it to get more DPS on mobs like the Elemental King, but I don't think it works well.

To fully maximise it you'd need 1 point in the stance, then 5 more in the upgrade so it actually lasts long. Not too worth 6 points, IMO, unless you're going for pure DPS where you can probably remove points elsewhere.

[Ladylove]

Lol I got this awesome new helm that reminded me of PL.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/96530452.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/2b352fa0.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/511f9121.jpg

OMG lol. That's a good one. Not many would think of that.

[Ellyidol]

Btw Les, I noticed all your skills are in your sidebar, do you use the sidebar for your archer?

PS: For the monks out there, I read in the forum that the -10% mana reduction per skill talent only works on Divine skills? While all the military skills still cost the same. Not sure, can anyone confirm?

[BlazeMystic]

Les - Loving the bald look, lol

Ellyidol - I use the sidebar for my assasin, but have to use both the wheel and sidebar for my mage as there is not enough room. I hope the devs improve this as it's really cumbersome having to switch between the wheel and side bar all the time.

Formora and I reached Level 41 - he liked gained 6 levels compared to my 1! lol. Finally have Ice meteor, its pretty cool, 1 meteor per person within the area, but has a very slow cool down.

[Ellyidol]

Yeah I use the wheel on my archer just because I need the view and constant moving, so I kinda like the wheel for that.

Definitely used the sidebar for military/divine monk though, too much skills for the wheel. Lol

[Formora]

Just got to 43, I have all the active spells already so nothing to look forward to :( Except for skill books, I'm getting all the aoe and stone armor upgrades at 44 :D

Yeah ice meteor is really awesome. It hits all targets for 600-700 normally and crits for 1k. Cast time is 3 secs, not very long and mobs can't even touch you when you aoe. They will all be frozen from frost blast or immobile from permafrost. It's cd time is 20 secs, but you only need to use it once.

I have a question for all frost mages. Did you guys max the +hit and +mana regen passive? I don't have any mana problems when aoe-ing, but against single targets I need to eat after 3-4 mobs.

Should I also put any points into blasting flame, fireflow, or cyclone? The only skyfire spells I have are fireball and shockwave, which I use frequently so the + critical chance and fire damage seems good. Cyclone also looks like a nice interrupt.

If I choose to add more points into skyfire I will have to sacrifice the two frost passives I mentioned.

Edit : I have decided not to invest in added spell hit. I just checked mine, and it's at 97%. Still debating about the mana regen though. This (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015000000000000000331003501103351513051 1) will probably be my new build at 60.

[Inching]

I've seen a few who try and use it to get more DPS on mobs like the Elemental King, but I don't think it works well.

To fully maximise it you'd need 1 point in the stance, then 5 more in the upgrade so it actually lasts long. Not too worth 6 points, IMO, unless you're going for pure DPS where you can probably remove points elsewhere.

ya... agreed

[shmoo]

Btw Les, I noticed all your skills are in your sidebar, do you use the sidebar for your archer?

PS: For the monks out there, I read in the forum that the -10% mana reduction per skill talent only works on Divine skills? While all the military skills still cost the same. Not sure, can anyone confirm?

I tried it out on my monk and noticed that the Mantis Cudgel still costs 150 mana. I thought maybe it computes after that.. but just displays the original. I will check if it works on Restore when I level up.

[Register]

*sigh*
l...o...l
OFTO

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

I'm a human warrior and I'm owning everyone my level ^.^ but for some reason I can't beat some of the monks...

[Ellyidol]

I'm a human warrior and I'm owning everyone my level ^.^ but for some reason I can't beat some of the monks...

Yeah don't worry, divine monks are the hardest to kill in duels even at 60, IMO.

[Lesrider]

I used to use the wheel on my archer, then got used to the sidebar with my warrior, so it was hard to go back. I don't really like having to turn the wheel, even if archers do have so few mid-battle skills. But will see.

[joeychandler]

I have a question for all frost mages. Did you guys max the +hit and +mana regen passive? I don't have any mana problems when aoe-ing, but against single targets I need to eat after 3-4 mobs.

Should I also put any points into blasting flame, fireflow, or cyclone? The only skyfire spells I have are fireball and shockwave, which I use frequently so the + critical chance and fire damage seems good. Cyclone also looks like a nice interrupt.

If I choose to add more points into skyfire I will have to sacrifice the two frost passives I mentioned.

Edit : I have decided not to invest in added spell hit. I just checked mine, and it's at 97%. Still debating about the mana regen though. This (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015000000000000000331003501103351513051 1) will probably be my new build at 60.

I don't bother with the hit passive or the mana regen. If you use high wisdom gear you'll find your total mana is so high that it barely ever becomes a problem. Hit for me has been 99% for ages, so again I don't need any higher :)

Definitely put leftover points in skyfire, cyclone and the fire cone skills especially. If you want a PvP based build, I'd say use the minimum number of points in permafrost as possible: this is what I'd use at 60-

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=153010531000000000000531003501153301013001 1

[Ellyidol]

I used to use the wheel on my archer, then got used to the sidebar with my warrior, so it was hard to go back. I don't really like having to turn the wheel, even if archers do have so few mid-battle skills. But will see.

True.. I find myself turning the wheel one click to the left/right from my main three at most.

Hope you find the best one :)

[Lesrider]

Ugh vega with my archer is even worse than with my warrior. Wish I could go permanently invisible.

[Formora]

I don't bother with the hit passive or the mana regen. If you use high wisdom gear you'll find your total mana is so high that it barely ever becomes a problem. Hit for me has been 99% for ages, so again I don't need any higher :)

Definitely put leftover points in skyfire, cyclone and the fire cone skills especially. If you want a PvP based build, I'd say use the minimum number of points in permafrost as possible: this is what I'd use at 60-

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=153010531000000000000531003501153301013001 1

Looks good, but I got to get to 60 first lol. I will definitely respec later for pvp, but for now my main priority is aoe grinding.

Btw, why do you need 5% stamina? I'd rather put them in frost or fire damage.

[CryoBlade]

Could anyone lend me 7g? Will pay the person back in a few seconds (literally). I bidded on something that I was going to buy by accident, and now I don't have enough to buy that item... can't cancel the bid.

[BlazeMystic]

I don't bother with the hit passive or the mana regen. If you use high wisdom gear you'll find your total mana is so high that it barely ever becomes a problem. Hit for me has been 99% for ages, so again I don't need any higher :)

Definitely put leftover points in skyfire, cyclone and the fire cone skills especially. If you want a PvP based build, I'd say use the minimum number of points in permafrost as possible: this is what I'd use at 60-

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=153010531000000000000531003501153301013001 1


Ok, how come you didn't put points in wraith of frost (to increase crit) and piercing cold (damage increase). I'm not sure I would bother with earth integrate (stamina) - does that really make much of a difference?

[Lesrider]

Could anyone lend me 7g? Will pay the person back in a few seconds (literally). I bidded on something that I was going to buy by accident, and now I don't have enough to buy that item... can't cancel the bid.

Weird, doesn't it take the money automatically and then return it if you lose the bid? How were you able to bid without the money?

[Formora]

Weird, doesn't it take the money automatically and then return it if you lose the bid? How were you able to bid without the money?

He had enough money to bid or buy it now, but not both. So he accidentally hit bid, and can't afford to buy it now.

Cryo, who are you in-game? I'll lend you the cash.

[CryoBlade]

Nevermind, lost the bid and got my money back now. Thanks though!

[Formora]

Nevermind, lost the bid and got my money back now. Thanks though!

No problem :)

[Lesrider]

He had enough money to bid or buy it now, but not both. So he accidentally hit bid, and can't afford to buy it now.

Cryo, who are you in-game? I'll lend you the cash.

Ohh ok. Misunderstood. And yeah, Cryo, what's your IGN?

[CryoBlade]

My IGN is Cryogenic.

[Formora]

My IGN is Cryogenic.

I knew it! Auto correct already gave me a hint.

[Lesrider]

I knew it! Auto correct already gave me a hint.

Lol yeah, Cryo did you get that name bc of autocorrect? ;)

[Lesrider]

Ok, I was wrong. Vega is actually easier with an archer bc of sneak and I can hide inside small ruins to stay out of sight.
I did get ganked by a player a few lvls higher than me, pinned him and almost won the fight, but we both got down to our last few hp and I lost :(

[joeychandler]

Looks good, but I got to get to 60 first lol. I will definitely respec later for pvp, but for now my main priority is aoe grinding.

Btw, why do you need 5% stamina? I'd rather put them in frost or fire damage.

Ok, how come you didn't put points in wraith of frost (to increase crit) and piercing cold (damage increase). I'm not sure I would bother with earth integrate (stamina) - does that really make much of a difference?

Stamina helps out a lot because of mages naturally low HP. 5% more stamina actually gives a decent amount more health because each stamina point gives about 10HP iirc.

I save the points from ice crit chance and ice damage to put them in skyfire crit chance and overall spell damage. Fire spells do more base damage so crit even higher, plus overall spell damage is obviously better than just ice spell damage. Like i said this is PvP based so its probly not great for PvE :)

Btw when you have both flame proc and ice proc on a mob when you use cyclone, it both crits AND freezes the opponent in place- which is awesome.

[CryoBlade]

Lol yeah, Cryo did you get that name bc of autocorrect? ;)

Yep, people always call me Cryogenic in PL, so why not?
And just got explosive shot on my ranger, loving it :D

[Lesrider]

Ok, archer is a lot more fun once you have more skills. I'm enjoying it at lvl 35 and in some ways finding it easier than warrior. I'm surprised.

[CryoBlade]

Could anyone here help me with the quests at vega square?

[shmoo]

For those complaining about Vega square you can completely skip the area and go to fallen star straight.

I got to 40 on my warrior just by staying at that place... and I even have quests at eristar graveyard and sea shore, but I might skip those and grind in desert elites...

[CryoBlade]

What level should I be to begin training at fallen star?

[Inching]

Ok, archer is a lot more fun once you have more skills. I'm enjoying it at lvl 35 and in some ways finding it easier than warrior. I'm surprised.

rangers are the best solo IMO.... and also the easiest..


Cryo ==> just fyi in case u didn't know, explosive shot is also like split shot... if u have 1 enemy, it hits only 1, but if you have 2 enemies then it shoots 2, ..... up to 3 at a time. So its like an explosive split shot....

[Inching]

For those complaining about Vega square you can completely skip the area and go to fallen star straight.

I got to 40 on my warrior just by staying at that place... and I even have quests at eristar graveyard and sea shore, but I might skip those and grind in desert elites...

i skipped it and just just went straight to desert.... I personally think desert is the easiest leveling in the entire game.... its open and you have a good variety of lvl 40 to 49 bad guys to kill....

Rift is the worst to grind in... OMG it suck royally after playing in the desert.

[CryoBlade]

Just got to Fallen Star, pretty easy monsters there.

[Lesrider]

i skipped it and just just went straight to desert.... I personally think desert is the easiest leveling in the entire game.... its open and you have a good variety of lvl 40 to 49 bad guys to kill....

Rift is the worst to grind in... OMG it suck royally after playing in the desert.

Yeah desert is my favorite area bc it's so open and no need to swim/climb mountains to get from point A to B. Rift has waaaay too much walking, Only 4 places are on the teleporter. And you can't cross lava :(

Can't wait to get my archer to the desert!

[Formora]

I'm not a fan of desert. Easy to navigate, but there are so little quests. Plus the minotaur elites are at the sandstorm area which makes it very difficult to grind 43-45. I'm level 45, with 77k exp left until 46 and no more quests. Found a friendly divine monk to grind with, good exp. I can't really solo the berserkers efficiently though.

[Lesrider]

I'm not a fan of desert. Easy to navigate, but there are so little quests. Plus the minotaur elites are at the sandstorm area which makes it very difficult to grind 43-45. I'm level 45, with 77k exp left until 46 and no more quests. Found a friendly divine monk to grind with, good exp. I can't really solo the berserkers efficiently though.

I look forward to planting myself next to the chest (mobs don't attack) and picking off one demon at a time :) did that by the rocks yesterday, worked wonders. Only got attacked a couple of times by accident bc I stood a bit too close to a spawn point.
Archer's a lot of fun once you have explosive shot and the bleeding shot :)

[Lesrider]

Guys, what do you think of this archer build (once I respec)? Any suggestions? I also can't decide what to do with the last 5 points lol.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=045513033015110150501150001000000000000000 00

[Ellyidol]

Guys, what do you think of this archer build (once I respec)? Any suggestions? I also can't decide what to do with the last 5 points lol.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=045513033015110150501150001000000000000000 00

What do you plan on doing Les? PvE only? Or PvP too? :)

[Lesrider]

What do you plan on doing Les? PvE only? Or PvP too? :)

At the moment I'm not interested in pvp, but who knows after I lvl 3-4 chars to 60?

[Ellyidol]

At the moment I'm not interested in pvp, but who knows after I lvl 3-4 chars to 60?

True true. Lol

IMO,

If you want to PvP/PvE :

My build : http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=105513033015510050031150101303000000000000 00

Definitely get that 1 Acute Poison. It's really good against any character that doesn't really have any form of escape. Soft ones = 225 is a bigger portion of HP lost, while tank characters = 225 pure damage, so can't be reduced.

I don't bother with the Hit % talent because at 60, the Hit from the gear I use pretty much gave me 99% Hit.

I also maxed the knockdown chance because I don't use Explosive Shot at all. This is because of the difference in my build though, I went pure crit and disregarded my attack power, so my main DPS is my RS/Snipe/Avulsion.

I had ES too, but I found it really hard to use in PvP. First, it'd AoE even non-groupped guildmates. Second, I found it really costly, especially if it didn't crit/miss/resist entirely, huge chunk of vigor wasted. Easier to resist too due to its fire attribute.

I got the 15% poison upgrade, really good IMO. 35% chance for either the Acute/Paralyzing to kick in.

For assassin side, I got the cut throat ability + silence upgrade.

It actually gives decent DOT. Combine that cutthroat + avulsion, and you'd be doing minimum 1,600 DOT, around 2,000 if the target is moving. It works wonders on mages/monks too, silences them for 6 seconds.

Then I got the Escape upgrade, 50% dodge while Escape is on. Extremely good survival skill, IMO. Perfect for warriors, and works really well against assassins/archers too. Since warriors only have one charge skill, this one pretty much allows you to kite them all the time. You can use Escape even if your knock'd down. I maxed 70% dodge when I had escape on, and warriors couldn't hit me with their Sonic and archers/assassins would miss heaps too :)

I've yet to try a pure PvE spec, but I think it'd go like this :

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=105013033015511155531150001000000000000000 00

[CryoBlade]

Is it worth spending gold on superior quality bows at lv30-40?

[Formora]

Is it worth spending gold on superior quality bows at lv30-40?

No, you will find a better one every 5-10 levels. Of course if it costs around 10g, go ahead. Just don't spend too much gold on something that will be replaced soon. The quest reward weapons are decent anyway.

[Lesrider]

Wait, explosive arrow misses more often bc it's fire? It isn't governed by the same hit% as everything else?

[Ellyidol]

Wait, explosive arrow misses more often bc it's fire? It isn't governed by the same hit% as everything else?

More easily resisted because of fire resistance.

AFAIK, there's no actual resistance to physical attacks other than parry/dodge/block - but even then, I was testing on a pure guardian and pure parry/dodge/block build, it seems that ranged attacks cannot be parried/blocked :o

[Lesrider]

More easily resisted because of fire resistance.

AFAIK, there's no actual resistance to physical attacks other than parry/dodge/block - but even then, I was testing on a pure guardian and pure parry/dodge/block build, it seems that ranged attacks cannot be parried/blocked :o

The damage is so nice, tho.

Btw, the first poison skill doesn't seem as good as the slowing one -- my bleeding shot already does 50-75 bleed. Is 25 really worth using?

[Ellyidol]

The damage is so nice, tho.

Btw, the first poison skill doesn't seem as good as the slowing one -- my bleeding shot already does 50-75 bleed. Is 25 really worth using?

Yeah the spike damage is definitely nice, I levelled up to 60 with it, it was only after a bit of testing that showed me RS > ES in DPS after a few seconds (or 2 RS equivalent) and overtime RS definitely gave more DPS. Works better with my build too since I like to crit as much as possible, so RS is usually maximised.

25 extra poison damage you mean? You can upgrade the Acute skill via spellbooks too, so it goes way more than 25 if it proc's poison. At 60 its at 225 per proc :)

While levelling solo, I definitely used Paralyzing on mobs. One slow proc > than one damage proc, IMO. It's really useful in PvP though, and it's only one point anyway :)

[Lesrider]

Hmm will have to think about it. Right now I have no poison at all.

Btw, GL forums down? :(

[Ellyidol]

Yeah it is, weird.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Umm...I have a problem...

At level 20 something has anyone encountered the quest "Test on Zombies"?

Yea well I was doing that quest and I accidentally dropped the potion...how do I get it back?

Also before I dropped it, for some reason when I used it on the zombies (I was very up close to the zombie) this thing appeared on my screen saying "It cAnt be used in the current area"

What do I do?

[Lesrider]

Umm...I have a problem...

At level 20 something has anyone encountered the quest "Test on Zombies"?

Yea well I was doing that quest and I accidentally dropped the potion...how do I get it back?

Also before I dropped it, for some reason when I used it on the zombies (I was very up close to the zombie) this thing appeared on my screen saying "It cAnt be used in the current area"

What do I do?

Hmm not sure. Maybe try teaming with someone who hasn't done the quest yet? Or see if someone can share it with you? Last resort, try droppin it and see if you can get it again.

And you need to tap on a zombie before using the potion on him.

[Formora]

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo55/CrazedRPG/e663f602.jpg

This is me at level 47, using all spell power gear. 200 spell power now :D I did lose like 900 mana and 80 regen though. But whatever, my outfit matches except for the staff. Hopefully there's one from a quest. Or I have to wait till level 50.

[CryoBlade]

Umm...I have a problem...

At level 20 something has anyone encountered the quest "Test on Zombies"?

Yea well I was doing that quest and I accidentally dropped the potion...how do I get it back?

Abandon the quest, and then restart it.

[Zojak]

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo55/CrazedRPG/e663f602.jpg

This is me at level 47, using all spell power gear. 200 spell power now :D I did lose like 900 mana and 80 regen though. But whatever, my outfit matches except for the staff. Hopefully there's one from a quest. Or I have to wait till level 50.


what class is that? looks pimp!

[Formora]

what class is that? looks pimp!

That's my Mage.

I was having some mana problems when aoe-ing so I switched to half wisdom and spell power gear. I still look the same, just changed my gloves, pants and shoes.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Abandon the quest, and then restart it.

I did restart it, but the potion didn't come back...

And Les, ok, I'll try teaming with someone, thanks :).

[BlazeMystic]

Formora - Your mage looks really cool. Where did you get that staff from? Did you have that when we met briefly the other day? I haven't come across any quests yet that give a mage's staff.

I'm level 43 and quests are getting sparse, where did you grind and until what level? Thx.

[Lesrider]

Formora, what happened to your beloved pterosaur? :p

[Formora]

Formora - Your mage looks really cool. Where did you get that staff from? Did you have that when we met briefly the other day? I haven't come across any quests yet that give a mage's staff.

I'm level 43 and quests are getting sparse, where did you grind and until what level? Thx.

Thanks! Yeah, I've had it since level 38. It's a blue called the branch of souls bounder. Bought it off the AH pretty cheap. It's the best mage staff until level 50. You can get a nice staff reward from the guardian's rest quest series I think, it looks better than mine but a little bit weaker.

I agree that more quests need to be added. I usually unlock a few quests when I level, and coupled with dailies/repeatables it gets me about halfway to the next level. Then I have to grind the rest. I think you can still get okay-ish exp from sacrathar nomads, it should be really easy to take down 6-8 of them at once. Or, you could try one vs one with the minotaurs at the bottom of the map. I wouldn't really suggest those though, the sandstorm is really horrible. Should be okay if you're only fighting one at a time but I've never aoe'd more than 3 mobs at a time before. Their leash seems to be quite short, if you run a bit then they reset. At level 45 you can start to aoe the ankar elites at crimson tower, provided you have a monk to heal. Whatever you do, try to stay away from the nobles. Their ranged fireballs really hurt.


Formora, what happened to your beloved pterosaur? :p

Lol, he was entertaining for awhile but all he does is spin around and stick his tongue out at me. Whereas demons are badass, they can walk on air!

[Moogerfooger]

Hey guys, checking in. Cross country drive complete. I see I have some forum reading and game(s) catching up to do :D first day at new job tomorrow.

[Zeus]

Hey guys, checking in. Cross country drive complete. I see I have some forum reading and game(s) catching up to do :D first day at new job tomorrow.

Nice Moog! Good to see you around :D. Was going through phases of not getting my daily dose of Moogerfooger's interesting, funny, and tactful posts :D.

[Moogerfooger]

Oh yes, always tactful ;)

[lordwill0]

Hey guys made a new char named: Frozen (frost mage) currently lvl 21. If anyone wants to lv with me in the swamps, add me. And if you dont know my main, IGN is Defiled ^^

[Zeus]

Hey guys made a new char named: Frozen (frost mage) currently lvl 21. If anyone wants to lv with me in the swamps, add me. And if you dont know my main, IGN is Defiled ^^

You Defiled imposter! Took that from runescape! Rofl.

[lordwill0]

yeah, i was obssessed with runescape( kind of still am even though i don't play) random things from that game are still floating around in my head :0

[Doubletime]

Glad you completed your road trip Moog! Good luck with your first day!

[MITSUISUN]

Hey guys, checking in. Cross country drive complete. I see I have some forum reading and game(s) catching up to do :D first day at new job tomorrow.

good bro, safe and sound.

I am now slacking off and just killing 1 elite spawn and watch hulu 80% of the time hehe

Suddenly I feel taking things very easy and just coast on this game this time around, loving GW and PFM though.

btw Adapt might start playing, he and I msged each other couple times.

[Lesrider]

Ok, I took your advice. This is my new build. I took both poisons and left out explosive shot for now, while I see how I fare without it. I do like that I can now use the wheel again (but gotta acclimate to it once again).
Any advice?

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/284d5d41.jpg


Oh and my archer has finally earned enough of my respect to get a pterasaur :)


And dudes, anyone know what's going on with the GL forums? Been down all day :(

[Ellyidol]

I like it Les :p

Since you got the poison, it might help if you max the Avulsion Shot upgrade, for 15% more chance to proc the poison :)

[shmoo]

Maybe they are re-organizing the forums. Its a bit messy.

Hopefully they will post more announcements and also a game log of sorts of the changes of any updates they have applied or will be applying in the near future.


Here are some AoE grinding images I managed to find...

One from mermans:
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/shmoo83/Order%20and%20Chaos%20Online/merman_grinding.png

And my grinding spot where I hit 60. I recommend using those exp pots / buffs when grinding. It helps alot!
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g136/shmoo83/Order%20and%20Chaos%20Online/grinding_heretics.png

Notice that I chose heretics over the bloodsucker bats. My reason for doing so is because I kill these heretics faster. There a small area where I can haul about 10 heretics and then a group that has 5. And each heretic gives 1k xp with full exp pots (150%). I can clear the 10 & 5 group in a minute or two (maybe less) so thats 15k per (on worst-case) 2 minutes or 7.5k per minute. Doing some math, I think you will get from 59 - 60 in about 45 minutes. So that 1-hour exp buff should be sufficient.

Also the AoE grinding and running around keeps me awake rather than killing bats 1 by 1.. XD

I hope these tips helps fellow mages out there and soon-to-be mages. :banana:

[Inching]

Im lvl 51 and pure ranger as u all know..... i just saw my crit ... i'm hitting for 1,700+ Crit with my snipe shot... holy moly.... i'm taking down guys 4 lvls above me....

Snipe > Avolution > Blast and volia... everyone is toast

BTW, whats the guild name u guys are on... I was on the first STS guild then it disappeared after update... then BanHammer added me and now gone also... wtf????

[shmoo]

Im lvl 51 and pure ranger as u all know..... i just saw my crit ... i'm hitting for 1,700+ Crit with my snipe shot... holy moly.... i'm taking down guys 4 lvls above me....

Snipe > Avolution > Blast and volia... everyone is toast

BTW, whats the guild name u guys are on... I was on the first STS guild then it disappeared after update... then BanHammer added me and now gone also... wtf????

BanHammer changed into Outlaws I think.

Yeah snipe crits are crazy! I may level an archer soon to.. archer seems the best boss hunting class. :)

[Formora]

Im lvl 51 and pure ranger as u all know..... i just saw my crit ... i'm hitting for 1,700+ Crit with my snipe shot... holy moly.... i'm taking down guys 4 lvls above me....

Snipe > Avolution > Blast and volia... everyone is toast

BTW, whats the guild name u guys are on... I was on the first STS guild then it disappeared after update... then BanHammer added me and now gone also... wtf????

Sorry, the first PL guild disappeared after a server update. BanHammer was remade as Outlaws. I'll add you now if you want.

[MITSUISUN]

Im lvl 51 and pure ranger as u all know..... i just saw my crit ... i'm hitting for 1,700+ Crit with my snipe shot... holy moly.... i'm taking down guys 4 lvls above me....

Snipe > Avolution > Blast and volia... everyone is toast


Yup yup, archer is versatile )

I need to get back on to my archer again, currently highest i am doing 3062 Snipe, need to work on mh gear more so i can reach 3500 my next goal )

[Formora]

Anyone want to help me do the bulrinto dailies? Don't know why I'm able to accept them, but bats are way above my level. Not to mention the dragon lol.

Edit: Big thanks to DT for offering to help. 40k exp in like, 10 mins :D

[FluffNStuff]

Anyone else around 30 in the middle of the Island Quests?

[lordwill0]

Hey guys i started blacksmithing on my other char and hes already at advanced ^^ if anyone would be kind enough to send me exquisite armor scraps/ primal iron i'll send you back 1 gold per stack. IGN: Frozen

[FluffNStuff]

If anyone has any extra gear with mana regen level 32 or below that a ranger can equip please let me know :)

[Lesrider]

If anyone has any extra gear with mana regen level 32 or below that a ranger can equip please let me know :)

Does mana regen affect a ranger?

[Lesrider]

Sigh I miss the forums. Hate how there's no way to know what's wrong or how long it'll take before it's back up.

[Inching]

Ohhh so that's what happened to the guild..... Since I lost the original guild I joined a random on called VooDoo, anyone heard of it? It's actually pretty huge almost at 200 people but of course I don't talk to anyone and just do my own thing. I just have the guild banner under name so people don't keep spawn killing me in PvP areas.

Lastly, I'm lvl 53 and snipping a 1900+ crit..... Sweeeeeeeeet !!!!

[Lesrider]

Omg I just unlocked Snipe. Woo! I can almost 1-hit mobs 3 lvls higher than me! I'm sorry I ever doubted my archer lol.

Btw, I'm lvl 40 and ran out of quests. The only ones I can find are whited out. Anyone remember what lvl the next quests open up? I JUST turned 40, so I guess I have a lot of grinding to do. I came to the desert at 38, when I think I came at 40+ with my warrior.

[Inching]

Omg I just unlocked Snipe. Woo! I can almost 1-hit mobs 3 lvls higher than me! I'm sorry I ever doubted my archer lol.

Btw, I'm lvl 40 and ran out of quests. The only ones I can find are whited out. Anyone remember what lvl the next quests open up? I JUST turned 40, so I guess I have a lot of grinding to do. I came to the desert at 38, when I think I came at 40+ with my warrior.

Bro, snipes only gets better when u get closer to 50. When u learn Lvl 2 snipe it's insane but given u maxed out pin feet this v important because it allows u to use snipe within battles and not just before. Also I have maxed Crit on both archer and assassin which means I Crit way over 2000 now MOST of the time, I say 4 out of 5 times I Crit 2000+

[elianel]

:banana:

[Doubletime]

Omg I just unlocked Snipe. Woo! I can almost 1-hit mobs 3 lvls higher than me! I'm sorry I ever doubted my archer lol.

Btw, I'm lvl 40 and ran out of quests. The only ones I can find are whited out. Anyone remember what lvl the next quests open up? I JUST turned 40, so I guess I have a lot of grinding to do. I came to the desert at 38, when I think I came at 40+ with my warrior.

Les, more quests unlock at 41. Also remember you should be able to do the dailys regardless of level. Combine the dailys from the desert with the daily from the outpost right outside the graveyard (One's Legacy) and you should be able to ring up a bunch of XP in less than 30 minutes. May breakup the grinding a little for you. The 41 quests should get you through the central desert town and a few of the dragon quests.

[FluffNStuff]

In the infamous Vega Square :) Question, how do you 'lose' the PVP tag? Not having a problem with people killing me, but it seems impossible to team with people for quests, or can this be done while you have the tag?

[Ellyidol]

In the infamous Vega Square :) Question, how do you 'lose' the PVP tag? Not having a problem with people killing me, but it seems impossible to team with people for quests, or can this be done while you have the tag?

You lose the tag by waiting for the PvP status to come off. It goes for 5 minutes, and refreshes or stays permanently everytime you are in a PvP zone.

You can invite by going into Team in the menu, then typing the character name manually to invite :)

Sucks if its some character you can't type though..

[Benaorn]

Anyone know how group exp works? It seems like you get less exp but not half and half in a group of two. It's better to group than solo in crowded area? I don't like grouping in crowded area because the targeting annoy me.

[Lesrider]

In the infamous Vega Square :) Question, how do you 'lose' the PVP tag? Not having a problem with people killing me, but it seems impossible to team with people for quests, or can this be done while you have the tag?

Go invisible and find some ruins to hide under till your pvp flag wears off. That's what I did to avoid trouble as much as possible.
And you can also invite them to your team from your friends list or if they say something in the chat box, click on their name and invite.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

OMFG! Ok for my level 24 human warrior, I am battling other human warriors a couple levels over me, and I swear I own them when I only lost like half HP

I'm like a demigod or something ;P :banana:

EDIT: (Not LITERALLY, but metaphorically)

[Formora]

Just hit 57, I checked for any new quests but there are none! How do they expect me to earn 300k on my own lol, it's gonna be so boring. I don't know how I did it with my warrior.

I may just continue my monk and come on Mage to do dailies.

[Lesrider]

Just hit 57, I checked for any new quests but there are none! How do they expect me to earn 300k on my own lol, it's gonna be so boring. I don't know how I did it with my warrior.

I may just continue my monk and come on Mage to do dailies.


Yeah I remember that. I think what got me through it was my determination to loot some pterosaurs :p

[Inching]

Yeah I remember that. I think what got me through it was my determination to loot some pterosaurs :p

I just bot one

[FluffNStuff]

Do pets drop in the Whispering Islands, and if so, from what mobs? I accidentally sold my panda to a NPC and feel like farming a pet.

My other thought is to purchase the resolute bear, because if I get drunk enough and squint my eyes, it almost looks like a Pooh Bear :)