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[Ellyidol]

The screens were more there for the "don't spawn kill me I didn't do that to you". Pictures seem the best way to prove a story, and twist the truth a whole lot less than words do.

Anyway Red and Elly seem happy with this finished, cause like I said it's my word against yours. If you have any pics that show you in a better view, please post them ^^

After talking to both parties, I have to say, it's really a big misunderstanding.

Can't say anything more than that, big misunderstanding. Whatever happens from now on is personal not guild-related.

[Lesrider]

Let's cool down so we don't get this thread REALLY locked.

As for this whole pvp issue, if anyone from my guild is ganking lowbies (for no good reason), please let me know. But don't just go by hearsay. Let's please let this go and not turn it into an all-out war?

[Ellyidol]

Let's cool down so we don't get this thread REALLY locked.

As for this whole pvp issue, if anyone from my guild is ganking lowbies (for no good reason), please let me know. But don't just go by hearsay. Let's please let this go and not turn it into an all-out war?

Fully agree!

I just spoke to everyone, and it's still standing that lowbie camping is out of the question unless with a reason.

Camping 60s is perfectly acceptable to me though, so if that's happening, I personally don't think anything is wrong with it, lowbies is a different story.

So yes, back to game only topics and off the guilds.

[Benaorn]

No matter which guild we are in, some of us still talk and help each other out. Echelong was nice enough to let me tag along with Lord Barlock farming the other day on my level 49 monk. Elly and Mit with all their great info on the game are helpful. No problem with guild switching since we are just basically chatting and sometime helping each other out. There is no raid or anything that require a lot of people.

[SuicideKings]

Hm ok guys, how did this end up here? Want to flame? Post it in the O&C forums. You guys crying about being camped think it happens only to you, grow up! I hope this thread gets closed so you can actually start posting on the right forum to flame the correlated game. I'm sick and tired of cry babies whining about how the game mechanics work. Why don't you make your own mmo and build a no camping zone or just stick to Pocket Legends? Get out of O&C kids.

[Lesrider]

Hm ok guys, how did this end up here? Want to flame? Post it in the O&C forums. You guys crying about being camped think it happens only to you, grow up! I hope this thread gets closed so you can actually start posting on the right forum to flame the correlated game. I'm sick and tired of cry babies whining about how the game mechanics work. Why don't you make your own mmo and build a no camping zone or just stick to Pocket Legends? Get out of O&C kids.

Way to show your true colors. Especially after it's been dropped.
And FYI, there are enough ppl unhappy withthe current situation for GL to commit to making graveyards safe zones.
Please leave this thread if you don't like it instead of coming here to bash the rest of us and try to get the thread locked.

[FluffNStuff]

I noticed a lot of talk on AP to damage before the flaming, and just wanted to clarify how it works on melee (will check range).
14 Attack Power = 1 damage / second add regardless of weapon speed.
Now what that does is to calculate actual damage add, you multiply it by the weapon speed. So for different weapons:
Speed = 2, 14 AP = 2 damage.
Speed = 1.5, 14 AP = 1.5 damage.
Speed = 2.2 (best dagger) 14 AP = 2.2 damage.
This is why slower weapons are even more powerful then they look.

[Lesrider]

I noticed a lot of talk on AP to damage before the flaming, and just wanted to clarify how it works on melee (will check range).
14 Attack Power = 1 damage / second add regardless of weapon speed.
Now what that does is to calculate actual damage add, you multiply it by the weapon speed. So for different weapons:
Speed = 2, 14 AP = 2 damage.
Speed = 1.5, 14 AP = 1.5 damage.
Speed = 2.2 (best dagger) 14 AP = 2.2 damage.
This is why slower weapons are even more powerful then they look.

Interesting. So when you said you were looking for slower weapons, you really meant it -- I was wondering why you worded it that way instead of "higher damage." Will have to explore this more. Finally lvl 57 and can use my windcutter, soon will need to look for some other gear.

[Ellyidol]

I noticed a lot of talk on AP to damage before the flaming, and just wanted to clarify how it works on melee (will check range).
14 Attack Power = 1 damage / second add regardless of weapon speed.
Now what that does is to calculate actual damage add, you multiply it by the weapon speed. So for different weapons:
Speed = 2, 14 AP = 2 damage.
Speed = 1.5, 14 AP = 1.5 damage.
Speed = 2.2 (best dagger) 14 AP = 2.2 damage.
This is why slower weapons are even more powerful then they look.

By the AP x Speed here, do you mean the AP from the weapon? Or your total AP in the stats page?

@Les

The Windcutter is really the best weapon for rangers so far. Since the main damage for rangers comes from skills, Rapid, Snipe, ES, etc, it mainly bases off the main damage we get, and the Windcutter just adds so much more because of its speed and higher weapon damage.

The Flying Bow of Offense brought down my Snipe crit in PvE by about 200, and 300 in PvP :(

[Benaorn]

I noticed a lot of talk on AP to damage before the flaming, and just wanted to clarify how it works on melee (will check range).
14 Attack Power = 1 damage / second add regardless of weapon speed.
Now what that does is to calculate actual damage add, you multiply it by the weapon speed. So for different weapons:
Speed = 2, 14 AP = 2 damage.
Speed = 1.5, 14 AP = 1.5 damage.
Speed = 2.2 (best dagger) 14 AP = 2.2 damage.
This is why slower weapons are even more powerful then they look.

Also we spam a lot of our skill and the higher the damage the better. Its usually 50%, 100%, 150%, and 200% of main hand weapon damage. For assassin, I think it's usually slow high damage main hand and fast weapon on the off hand.

[FluffNStuff]

By the AP x Speed here, do you mean the AP from the weapon? Or your total AP in the stats page?



To give you an example from Dark Breaths (level 38 blue, best till Seal)
Damage on Weapon = 68
Attack Power = 402 (what is listed)
DPS = 28.7 (Listed next to attack power)
Speed = 2.2
So Added damage = 63
That makes damage = (68 + 63) * 1.1 for dagger master
which Gives the 145 I see on the melee attack page.

Also checked on Range.
listed damage = 78
AP = 566 (40.4 DPS)
Speed = 2.1
Damage = 2.1 * 40.4 + 78 = 162 Ranged Damage
Damage = 78

[Ellyidol]

Gotcha, thanks heaps for the numbers Fluff! :)

[FluffNStuff]

Also we spam a lot of our skill and the higher the damage the better. Its usually 50%, 100%, 150%, and 200% of main hand weapon damage. For assassin, I think it's usually slow high damage main hand and fast weapon on the off hand.

Fast off hand is good early to apply more poison, but at level I would just go with added stats, like crit or agility.

[MITSUISUN]

I noticed a lot of talk on AP to damage before the flaming, and just wanted to clarify how it works on melee (will check range).
14 Attack Power = 1 damage / second add regardless of weapon speed.
Now what that does is to calculate actual damage add, you multiply it by the weapon speed. So for different weapons:
Speed = 2, 14 AP = 2 damage.
Speed = 1.5, 14 AP = 1.5 damage.
Speed = 2.2 (best dagger) 14 AP = 2.2 damage.
This is why slower weapons are even more powerful then they look.


hoooraaa, thanks Fluff! Will have to test when I have time.

This was my list of things to do in Cal201, I wanted to understand the reason behind slower/higher dmg.

Because all I lived by so far, is always go for the highest damange > dps

Meaning: (numbers made up below, not real)
Item A: 90-120dmg, 3.0 speed, dps 80
Item B: 98-110dmg, 2.5 speed, dps 90

I would always go for the Item A cuz it has 120dmg, meaning all my skills related to weapon will be much higher, because of that 10dmg effects/multiply my AP/DPS/skill damage/crit = my ultimate big yellow numbers

@Ben
Ben is rightt

[MITSUISUN]

So, I am raising 2 more alts:
an Elf Battle Warrior (BW) to compliment my Orc Guardian Warrior (GW)
an Elf Military Monk (MM) to compliment my Human Divine Monk (DM)

My lv60 GW and DM are fully built with the Guardian and Divine trees, with very minimal points into opposite tree, just like my Elf Archer and Undead PermaFrost Mage (PFM)

I don’t like to respec and fill up my storage with too much sets, so this way I can compare and enjoy the game again from beginning to realize the full potential of different tree, so I am not building a balanced/hybrid type, yet.
(call me weird :p but I am PvE focused, not into PvP unless I am not busy, future arena or duel with friends to discuss strategy/fun)

So in addition reading the GL’s O&C forum, like to get some opinion from PL players.

Keep in mind my builds are extremely PvE focused / group oriented.

My future lv60 BW build (2points unallocated) :
http://oacdb.com/tools/build#k=warrior.1050151503500005511151311013000000 0000000000

I left 2 more points unfilled. Can’t decide if I would go Staunch for 10% AC increase, or Cleave so I can AoE 3 targets total, I wonder if I add Cleave, how is my morale going to affected since 100% increase; but I do have 5 Warpath points to help just in case. I thought about Rotor Storm as well, but given this is full attack focused build, so I eliminated passive/defensive skills. Perhaps I might need increase hit chance, but I guesstimted I would have 97-98.2%, which should be enough and can raise with monk buff / scroll.

For now I am sticking with 2hand, I might think about DW(dual wield), but I like seeing big yellow numbers. And I feel DW’s sole purpose is to raise morale fast.
Focus on STR/AP gear.

Comments/suggestions on BW?

My future lv60 MM build
http://oacdb.com/tools/build#k=monk.0050150500310000000000510151035010130 503011

Purpose of this toon, is to enjoy full damage potential as a monk, with enough heal/buff power that can be self-efficient/backup emergency heal in group.
I think I will focus on STR/WIS gear on this toon.

Welcome feedback if like to discuss/compare.

Btw, not sure if this has been mentioned before.
str helps dodge, agi helps parry, block seems only effect by wielding shield or passive block+

I forgot the exact number but will note it down next time when I am crunching numbers.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Can anyone tell me:

What kind of attributes you get for 1 STRENGTH POINT? 1 AGILITY POINT? 1 WISDOM POINT?
How do warriors get gear that are resistant to magic? I have zero resistance on any element :(
What does attack damage do? Increase your DPS?
What does AC mean?

Thanks in advance

[Kabog]

Mitsu - strength doesnt add too much damage compared to Agility for Crits.

I have hermitis set for rainbow, thunder, and the one for strength/wisdom.

Strength/wisdom adds main damage but it doesn't justify it compared to agility/wisdom.

Agi gives you better crit chance (I know it's a small percentage but you'll be surprise how often it crits) and slightly better dodge.

Just my 2 cent :)


So, I am raising 2 more alts:
an Elf Battle Warrior (BW) to compliment my Orc Guardian Warrior (GW)
an Elf Military Monk (MM) to compliment my Human Divine Monk (DM)

My lv60 GW and DM are fully built with the Guardian and Divine trees, with very minimal points into opposite tree, just like my Elf Archer and Undead PermaFrost Mage (PFM)

I don’t like to respec and fill up my storage with too much sets, so this way I can compare and enjoy the game again from beginning to realize the full potential of different tree, so I am not building a balanced/hybrid type, yet.
(call me weird :p but I am PvE focused, not into PvP unless I am not busy, future arena or duel with friends to discuss strategy/fun)

So in addition reading the GL’s O&C forum, like to get some opinion from PL players.

Keep in mind my builds are extremely PvE focused / group oriented.

My future lv60 BW build (2points unallocated) :
http://oacdb.com/tools/build#k=warrior.1050151503500005511151311013000000 0000000000

I left 2 more points unfilled. Can’t decide if I would go Staunch for 10% AC increase, or Cleave so I can AoE 3 targets total, I wonder if I add Cleave, how is my morale going to affected since 100% increase; but I do have 5 Warpath points to help just in case. I thought about Rotor Storm as well, but given this is full attack focused build, so I eliminated passive/defensive skills. Perhaps I might need increase hit chance, but I guesstimted I would have 97-98.2%, which should be enough and can raise with monk buff / scroll.

For now I am sticking with 2hand, I might think about DW(dual wield), but I like seeing big yellow numbers. And I feel DW’s sole purpose is to raise morale fast.
Focus on STR/AP gear.

Comments/suggestions on BW?

My future lv60 MM build
http://oacdb.com/tools/build#k=monk.0050150500310000000000510151035010130 503011

Purpose of this toon, is to enjoy full damage potential as a monk, with enough heal/buff power that can be self-efficient/backup emergency heal in group.
I think I will focus on STR/WIS gear on this toon.

Welcome feedback if like to discuss/compare.

Btw, not sure if this has been mentioned before.
str helps dodge, agi helps parry, block seems only effect by wielding shield or passive block+

I forgot the exact number but will note it down next time when I am crunching numbers.

[MITSUISUN]

Hmmm gotcha. Thnx Kabog, I need to study more on monking on oc forum for sure grr

Looks like I need to verify couple more facts. Thnx again

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Well, I officially need to stay away from O&C. >.< I am now getting addicted (in the bad way) :/

[Darkchylde]

Has anybody tried Celtic heroes mmo rpg I downloaded it fri well any way you cAn play warrior, Druid, rogue ,ranger ,mage plus they have clans Aka guilds well any way I know y'all are playin O/C online,,, oH an PL ant trying to diss your game

[Darkchylde]

Well it's kinda like O/c jus not as pretty but I believe its a work n progress got a lot of servers to play on

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Well it's kinda like O/c jus not as pretty but I believe its a work n progress got a lot of servers to play on

does it require monthly prescriptions like O&C or WoW?

[Zeus]

Umm, so I just bought 20 100% Elixirs and 20 50% Elixirs, was this recommended?

[Darkchylde]

Nope its all free subscription they sell certain stuff kinda like PL does

[Darkchylde]

Add me if u decide to check out Darkchylde ///servers morrigan an Rhiannon

[Lesrider]

Lol just made an account since it's free... But couldn't bring myself to create a character. They're so god**** ugly! That game is not gonna get very far with graphics like that. And from the screens, it doesn't look like it's changed much since I last heard of it months ago. Everything still looks really stiff.
No thx, I'll stick to O&C.

[CryoBlade]

Hmm, I'm gonna go ahead and try Celtic Heroes just to see how bad the graphics really are, then laugh.

[Lesrider]

Hmm, I'm gonna go ahead and try Celtic Heroes just to see how bad the graphics really are, then laugh.

Lol the character creation screen will be enough to get you screaming and running far away.

[CryoBlade]

"Unable to check account availability. Please try again." Screw that, not worth going through all that trouble for a laugh.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

O.o if it's really that bad then no thank you lol im sticking to O&C too.

[Darkchylde]

It's really bad but it need some updates but it Is free

[Zeus]

Hmm, for some reason, the register button on O&C forums won't let me make an account? It gives me an error code of some sort. The hyperlink doesn't even open up when I hit register. It says the following:

8: Undefined index: language
File: /opt/data/www/onlinegames-forum.gameloft.com/documents/Sources/Register.php
Line: 82


Any help/suggestions? I already tried different browsers/computers. If it helps, I'm on a Mac.

[Moogerfooger]

It was unlocked, Dawn. Nuff said.

[Lesrider]

The thread wasn't unlocked, it just got reverted because of the 5-day roll-back. Idk if anyone has mentioned this, cause I haven't read through all the pages yet.

No, it got reverted and we pleaded with Red not to lock it again, but he did so anyway. I had to bring it to Sam's attention to get it unlocked again.

[Otukura]

Hmm, for some reason, the register button on O&C forums won't let me make an account? It gives me an error code of some sort. The hyperlink doesn't even open up when I hit register. It says the following:

8: Undefined index: language
File: /opt/data/www/onlinegames-forum.gameloft.com/documents/Sources/Register.php
Line: 82


Any help/suggestions? I already tried different browsers/computers. If it helps, I'm on a Mac.

Tried it for you, same thing, with diff browsers/computers/phones.

EDIT: Maybe it's a hidden message.. stay true to PL!!

[DawnInfinity]

*whistles innocently*

So the weather has been kind of hot lately..

[Darkchylde]

i need a new guild thers nobody on the old guild what are the guilds now i know ther are a few

[BlazeMystic]

i need a new guild thers nobody on the old guild what are the guilds now i know ther are a few

The PL based guild is outlaws - ask Lesrider if you want to join. A fair few of other PL players have joined Toughie's guild Tragic.

[Darkchylde]

Ok thanks a lot :)

[Formora]

i need a new guild thers nobody on the old guild what are the guilds now i know ther are a few

I can send you an invite to Outlaws now, what is your IGN?

[Darkchylde]

It's Darkchylde ,,,cool invite me ok

[Inching]

By the AP x Speed here, do you mean the AP from the weapon? Or your total AP in the stats page?

@Les

The Windcutter is really the best weapon for rangers so far. Since the main damage for rangers comes from skills, Rapid, Snipe, ES, etc, it mainly bases off the main damage we get, and the Windcutter just adds so much more because of its speed and higher weapon damage.

The Flying Bow of Offense brought down my Snipe crit in PvE by about 200, and 300 in PvP :(

then which is the best bow for rangers for highest damage? i think its called the lightening bow of the wind or something?

[Formora]

It's Darkchylde ,,,cool invite me ok

Yep, welcome to Outlaws :)


then which is the best bow for rangers for highest damage? i think its called the lightening bow of the wind or something?

No, it is the level 57 wind cutter.

Btw, do you guys think this is a good assassin build? http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=100000000000000000000053151313555110023131 51

What does "cannot be broken" mean for deep sneak? Do you assassins use shadow strike often?

[Ellyidol]

Yep, Wind Cutter. The damage difference from the speed + weapon damage is just so much better than any of the stats that you get from the Lightning Bow.

I'm not sure what deep sneak means either.. Maybe you can do skills and all that while still being in sneak? Not sure..

[Formora]

Yeah, that might be possible. I'll have to ask around, maybe Fluff or Cryo knows.

[Inching]

cannot be broken means that when u r in sneak mode, u will remain in sneak even if u are attacked. currently archers when in sneak mode, when they engage in battle they instantly become visible again but cannot be broken "I think" means they remain in sneak mode...

thats my interpretation of it anyway but im not assassin so i cant say 100% sure.

[Formora]

cannot be broken means that when u r in sneak mode, u will remain in sneak even if u are attacked. currently archers when in sneak mode, when they engage in battle they instantly become visible again but cannot be broken "I think" means they remain in sneak mode...

thats my interpretation of it anyway but im not assassin so i cant say 100% sure.

Ah cool, so you get to use 1-2 more skills while still being in sneak? If that's the case, then I will put points into it.

I really want to try being an assassin. But I'm only level 49, can't use the seals yet. Would you guys still recommend me switching now?

[Ellyidol]

Ah cool, so you get to use 1-2 more skills while still being in sneak? If that's the case, then I will put points into it.

I really want to try being an assassin. But I'm only level 49, can't use the seals yet. Would you guys still recommend me switching now?

It sounds like it, since even normal sneak can't be broken through external stuff anyway, once your in sneak, you're hidden.

I think it would be easier to level as an archer, then respec at 60. But if respec-ing now would give you a better overall feel for an assassin, and you're in no rush, why not :)

[Lesrider]

If wind cutter is best, why is that other bow worth so much?

[Ellyidol]

If wind cutter is best, why is that other bow worth so much?

For archers only, the offense bow has better stats for assassins/warriors :)

The Offense bow definitely gives me about .7% more crit, but I lose too much damage as an archer, which isn't good at all.

[Lesrider]

People spend 1k gold on a bow for warriors/assassins??? You only get a coup of shots in with a bow anyway before the mob gets to you.

[Ellyidol]

People spend 1k gold on a bow for warriors/assassins??? You only get a coup of shots in with a bow anyway before the mob gets to you.

Haha, no not to shoot with. Just for the stats :)

Just like how archers spend, assuming you use gold to buy, about 250 gold on each seal. I don't melee at all in PvP, but the stats it gives me for my ranged attacks are nice :D

[Lesrider]

Haha, no not to shoot with. Just for the stats :)

Just like how archers spend, assuming you use gold to buy, about 250 gold on each seal. I don't melee at all in PvP, but the stats it gives me for my ranged attacks are nice :D

Ah I see. So pvp is a gold sink :p

[Ellyidol]

Ah I see. So pvp is a gold sink :p

Yes actually, like those Red Lotus of Offense Daggers, Heartforger Staves. Crazy price tags on them.

In a way, I guess we're lucky as archers that the wind cutter is actually the best bow, and that it's really bad. Less pressure to getting it :p

[Lesrider]

Yes actually, like those Red Lotus of Offense Daggers, Heartforger Staves. Crazy price tags on them.

In a way, I guess we're lucky as archers that the wind cutter is actually the best bow, and that it's really bad. Less pressure to getting it :p

Yeah, if it cost 1k g, I wouldn't be using it (even tho I looted one). The whole BoE thing means at some point In the future the items bought for all that gold will be liquidated when it comes time to upgrade.

[Formora]

It sounds like it, since even normal sneak can't be broken through external stuff anyway, once your in sneak, you're hidden.

I think it would be easier to level as an archer, then respec at 60. But if respec-ing now would give you a better overall feel for an assassin, and you're in no rush, why not :)

Yeah, I think it would be better if I switch now so I can better understand the class. But I don't want to spend so much money on seals etc just to switch back to archer if I don't like it.

Cryo tells me assassin is really good though, dagger strike crits pretty high with a fast cooldown. I'm guessing the only downside is range, but with stuns, smoke bomb and blinding powder I don't think it's a big problem. And with regen gear vigor won't be a problem either.

Blah, I think I'll make the switch now to see if I like it. I'll post how it feels compared to archer.

[Ellyidol]

Yeah, if it cost 1k g, I wouldn't be using it (even tho I looted one). The whole BoE thing means at some point In the future the items bought for all that gold will be liquidated when it comes time to upgrade.

True, good in a way though, the BoE thing.


Yeah, I think it would be better if I switch now so I can better understand the class. But I don't want to spend so much money on seals etc just to switch back to archer if I don't like it.

Cryo tells me assassin is really good though, dagger strike crits pretty high with a fast cooldown. I'm guessing the only downside is range, but with stuns, smoke bomb and blinding powder I don't think it's a big problem. And with regen gear vigor won't be a problem either.

Blah, I think I'll make the switch now to see if I like it. I'll post how it feels compared to archer.

Vigor might be a problem too. Before this vigor regen bug was found, the main problem I heard from assassins was the amount of vigor they could use. The skills use up quite a lot, not to mention the regen is only a base of 10 vigor/second I think? Plus the fact that you lose vigor everytime you get hit (not sure if that talent reducing this is worth it).

[Benaorn]

Where are all the good items drop from? Is it only from the elemental guard (this place is over camped and only a few spawn)?

[Ellyidol]

Where are all the good items drop from? Is it only from the elemental guard (this place is over camped and only a few spawn)?

I heard Umbra has the same drops, but not really sure. I tried farming the mobs there for about an hour or two, didn't get a single piece of equipment.

Safe choice for the real end-game gear is the Elemental Guards really..

[Benaorn]

I tried Umbra for few hours and only got a level 60 warrior helm and bunch of cloth. I went to Vita Spring and saw that there are like 2 people at every spawn point so I left. I guess I will wait for dungeon.

[Ellyidol]

I tried Umbra for few hours and only got a level 60 warrior helm and bunch of cloth. I went to Vita Spring and saw that there are like 2 people at every spawn point so I left. I guess I will wait for dungeon.

Yup it's extremely crowded now.. A few weeks back you could pretty much get 2-3, if lucky the whole area actually, when EK wasn't expected to spawn soon. Now there's just people all the time. Lol.

Yup! Dungeons! Here's to hoping they come out this July!

[FluffNStuff]

Yeah, I think it would be better if I switch now so I can better understand the class. But I don't want to spend so much money on seals etc just to switch back to archer if I don't like it.

Cryo tells me assassin is really good though, dagger strike crits pretty high with a fast cooldown. I'm guessing the only downside is range, but with stuns, smoke bomb and blinding powder I don't think it's a big problem. And with regen gear vigor won't be a problem either.

Blah, I think I'll make the switch now to see if I like it. I'll post how it feels compared to archer.

What level are you now? Assassin is mad fun, but gets powerful at 38 (dark breaths + completed stun/stab combo). BTW, if deep sneak lets you attack and still stay hidden, that is a HUGE game changer and I gots to spend the points to find out.

[Benaorn]

I thought deep sneak would cancel out all dot on an assassin and let you go into sneak mode. I think when you got dot on, you can't just use smoke bomb because the damage from dot would bring you out but that is not how it works.

[Lesrider]

So how would dungeons work? Kinda like PL's instances? Cuz seems like that has the potential to destroy the economy (even more).

[Ellyidol]

So how would dungeons work? Kinda like PL's instances? Cuz seems like that has the potential to destroy the economy (even more).

Not exactly sure, but they said it was replayable, how replayable I'm not sure..

They might introduce BoP gear for the looted epics though, which will pretty much save the economy still.

They also mentioned that each region would have a dungeon, normal mode is the region level, and legendary mode (or some name like that) would make it fit for max levels to do the dungeon.

[Lesrider]

Not exactly sure, but they said it was replayable, how replayable I'm not sure..

They might introduce BoP gear for the looted epics though, which will pretty much save the economy still.

They also mentioned that each region would have a dungeon, normal mode is the region level, and legendary mode (or some name like that) would make it fit for max levels to do the dungeon.

Just wondering if we'll have to fight over the dungeons like we do the bosses or will there be a way for us to enter even if tons of other people want in.

As for BoP, god I wish they'd make those transferable between chars on the same account. It would suck to get an epic item on one of your chars that can't use it and be stuck with it (like the recipes).

[Ellyidol]

Just wondering if we'll have to fight over the dungeons like we do the bosses or will there be a way for us to enter even if tons of other people want in.

As for BoP, god I wish they'd make those transferable between chars on the same account. It would suck to get an epic item on one of your chars that can't use it and be stuck with it (like the recipes).

Ah, no I don't think you'd have to fight to enter those dungeons.

I think one of the main reasons why they implemented dungeons (along with that safezone in GYs) is to cater to the PvE only crowd. Also to deal with all that EK camping. If they make dungeons first come first serve, it'll bring that whole EK thing up again, which I hate! Lol.

Idk about the BoP. From my small experience in WoW, BoP is literally BoP, so no mailing/moving to other character..

[Benaorn]

If it's anything like WOW, then dungeon will be located in a zone like Rift where there is a portal for you to enter. You will need to make group before you enter the dungeon. Once you kill the first boss in a dungeon all group members will have a timer on them (maybe 3 or 12 hours) where they can't enter the dungeon again. This will make you play longer because you can't just farm a dungeon over and over in the same day. Most items in dungeon are BoP. I am just basing this off WOW since O&C is similar. I don't really know what O&C dungeon will be like.

[Lesrider]

3-12 hrs? Holy hell. Guess you're not supposed to have a life outside the game?

[Ellyidol]

3-12 hrs? Holy hell. Guess you're not supposed to have a life outside the game?

I don't think it'll be that long :)

Possible, but I hope not.

They mentioned in that interview thread that O&C was going to be a more in-depth game rather than casual, but they have to keep in mind the limitations of the mobile devices, so versus a PC for WoW, I think they'll have to rethink the dungeon timer too.

But yeah, 3-12 hours is just...

[Benaorn]

No the timer just mean you can't enter the dungeon again for another 12 hours or whatever. Boss will always drop one or two items. If they don't do it like that then people can farm all day long in dungeon and get their set in one day. Maybe you can clear dungeon in an hour. Most of us play more than an hour on one session anyway :).

The most fun part about WOW is raiding where 40 men/women work together for 5 hours just to get 10 or so epics. Raid dungeon reset every 3 days I think. That is what keep people playing. Everybody wants to get the best items.

[Formora]

Vigor might be a problem too. Before this vigor regen bug was found, the main problem I heard from assassins was the amount of vigor they could use. The skills use up quite a lot, not to mention the regen is only a base of 10 vigor/second I think? Plus the fact that you lose vigor everytime you get hit (not sure if that talent reducing this is worth it).

Yeah, base is 10/s. I just switched to assassin, and vigor is fine. Although it is weird having 20 less max vigor. I might get that reduce vigor loss skill later.


What level are you now? Assassin is mad fun, but gets powerful at 38 (dark breaths + completed stun/stab combo). BTW, if deep sneak lets you attack and still stay hidden, that is a HUGE game changer and I gots to spend the points to find out.

I'm level 50, using one dark breaths only atm because I'm so poor. What stun/stab combo are we talking about? I have the dagger stab and surprise attack, both with maxed upgrades if that's what you mean.

Like I said the main problem I'm having with assassins is our range. I haven't figured out a way to isolate an enemy so I can take him out yet. I try opening with rapid shot, but when I smoke bomb the mob just resets. So maybe I should just surprise attack after. I rely too much on the sneak stun.

In short, assassin is a very fun class with cool skills. But it takes a bit of getting used to.

[Ellyidol]

No the timer just mean you can't enter the dungeon again for another 12 hours or whatever. Boss will always drop one or two items. If they don't do it like that then people can farm all day long in dungeon and get their set in one day. Maybe you can clear dungeon in an hour. Most of us play more than an hour on one session anyway :).

The most fun part about WOW is raiding where 40 men/women work together for 5 hours just to get 10 or so epics. Raid dungeon reset every 3 days I think. That is what keep people playing. Everybody wants to get the best items.

In a way, I want to be able to keep doing something though. I understand that they have to keep it limited, so fully agree on some sort of timer there. I just hope it's not too short to do, yet wait for hours to do again :p

Good for casual gaming I guess, get on for an hour or so, off until the next timer.

[Lesrider]

Haha yeah that sounds more like my taste. I don't want to be forced to play for 5 hrs at a time to get anything good.

And isn't vigor regen 10/8sec, not 10/sec?

[Formora]

Haha yeah that sounds more like my taste. I don't want to be forced to play for 5 hrs at a time to get anything good.

And isn't vigor regen 10/8sec, not 10/sec?

Don't think so, it regens pretty quick doesn't it?

[Ellyidol]

Haha yeah that sounds more like my taste. I don't want to be forced to play for 5 hrs at a time to get anything good.

And isn't vigor regen 10/8sec, not 10/sec?

Nope, it's 10 per tick, which is per second I think.

Mana is the one that goes by 8 seconds :)

[Formora]

Even for the mana bug, I think it's x/1 sec. Well for vigor anyway.

[Ellyidol]

Just read that O&C is out for Android, any truth to that?

[FluffNStuff]

Even for the mana bug, I think it's x/1 sec. Well for vigor anyway.
Actually, a tick is a half second :)

[FluffNStuff]

So I respected and have been playing with this deep sneak. It has the potential to set up a devastating combo, but have been practicing on the dummies and the timing is really rough.

[Lesrider]

Argh!!! I thought during the day it'd be easier to do pvp quests. I was trying to kill crocs near miskatonia with my monk and some archer pinned me. I logged off. Don't have the patience to deal with this crap.

[DawnInfinity]

Argh!!! I thought during the day it'd be easier to do pvp quests. I was trying to kill crocs near miskatonia with my monk and some archer pinned me. I logged off. Don't have the patience to deal with this crap.
I can help you if you want!

[Otukura]

Just read that O&C is out for Android, any truth to that?

The APK is, but it's not in the market.

Downloading is free(at least from where I got it from). Probably still need the subscription, I'll look later.

[Ellyidol]

The APK is, but it's not in the market.

Downloading is free(at least from where I got it from). Probably still need the subscription, I'll look later.

I clicked the link from the Twitter announcement of GL that it's out for Android, and it led me to the Android Market where I saw O&C for $6.99 AU, not sure though since that was the first time I was there. Lol :)

[Benaorn]

So for assassin, you open with with Shadow Strike (stun 3 secs?) fellow by dagger stab. After stun wore off you would use surprise attack to stun for 5 seconds, then smoke bomb, dagger stab, shadow strike (deep sneak will not bringing you out from dagger stab), surprise attack, assassin's contract, and repeat smoke bomb? Will you have enough vigor to do all that?

[Otukura]

I clicked the link from the Twitter announcement of GL that it's out for Android, and it led me to the Android Market where I saw O&C for $6.99 AU, not sure though since that was the first time I was there. Lol :)

Got it for free then... woops. :)

[WoundedEagle]

Clarifies alot!!! thanks :)

[FluffNStuff]

So for assassin, you open with with Shadow Strike (stun 3 secs?) fellow by dagger stab. After stun wore off you would use surprise attack to stun for 5 seconds, then smoke bomb, dagger stab, shadow strike (deep sneak will not bringing you out from dagger stab), surprise attack, assassin's contract, and repeat smoke bomb? Will you have enough vigor to do all that?

I am just working on the one piece now, which is smoke bomb -> shadow strike -> dagger stab. If the dagger stab goes off before the deep sneak ends, you have a 75% of landing a stun crit, which is pretty insane.

[Lesrider]

Are you android players able to log onto the same servers as us?

[Otukura]

Are you android players able to log onto the same servers as us?

Yes. And we do need a subscription.

[Benaorn]

When you are in sneak mode, wouldn't Shadow Strike stun your opponent for 3 seconds? If it does why would you need deep sneak since it only last 3 seconds?

[Lesrider]

More competition for mobs/quests! Woo!

Nah, glad you guys can join in on the fun. Just hope GL doesn't screw it all up by oveoading the servers with more players than there are mobs (or have we already hit that point?).

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Damn you Vega Square!

I hate how people attack you out of nowhere. I think archers are overpowered in pvp, seriously they stun you for quite a while and just kill you to death right there.

I need a team to grind at wind, snow, earth, fire, tattooed strikers/defenders :/...

Anyone wiling to help?

[Ellyidol]

From O&C Forums:

Found it. Question: "Does iOS and Android share the same servers?"
Answer: "Not for now but it's planned. Our first priority was to bring the game to you."

[Lesrider]

From O&C Forums:

Found it. Question: "Does iOS and Android share the same servers?"
Answer: "Not for now but it's planned. Our first priority was to bring the game to you."


Interesting. Good to know. Guess we won't be able to see our Android buds. Maybe after the whole server merging thing?

[FluffNStuff]

Damn you Vega Square!

I hate how people attack you out of nowhere. I think archers are overpowered in pvp, seriously they stun you for quite a while and just kill you to death right there.

I need a team to grind at wind, snow, earth, fire, tattooed strikers/defenders :/...

Anyone wiling to help?

What is your IGN? Or just add Asausagenate

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

What is your IGN? Or just add Asausagenate

IGN is LIGHTNINGGOD (yes they're all capital)

I can't go online atm, but when i do, ill be sure to send you a message. :)

Also are you in the Outlaws/Toughie's guild? I wan to join either of those guilds.

[Otukura]

From O&C Forums:

Found it. Question: "Does iOS and Android share the same servers?"
Answer: "Not for now but it's planned. Our first priority was to bring the game to you."

Hmm.. the free download is a cracked version, maybe that's why I could?

[FluffNStuff]

IGN is LIGHTNINGGOD (yes they're all capital)

I can't go online atm, but when i do, ill be sure to send you a message. :)

Also are you in the Outlaws/Toughie's guild? I wan to join either of those guilds.

Added you, if you need help with the tatoo dailies, just message. I get a quick 4K to kill em :)

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Added you, if you need help with the tatoo dailies, just message. I get a quick 4K to kill em :)

Alright thanks :)

[Lesrider]

Wow I'm amazed. For the first time ever, I went to do the olande escort quest and he was just standing there waiting for me. No one else there and no one bothered me the entire quest. I thought it would be worse with all the new players from the sale, and it's nighttime. Weird. But not gonna complain :)

[Zeus]

So, I'm 34 now, using an awesome blue crossbow Mits gave me. Critting 550+ every other hit or so, I'm in love with it. Hoping to be 35-37 by tonight.

[DawnInfinity]

Just hit level 40. :o Snipe is intense. If it crits, I'll hit a good 1500 and then kill off the enemy with another hit

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Just hit level 40. :o Snipe is intense. If it crits, I'll hit a good 1500 and then kill off the enemy with another hit

O_O oh damn, next time I duel you, I will die within seconds ;_;

[Ellyidol]

Just hit level 40. :o Snipe is intense. If it crits, I'll hit a good 1500 and then kill off the enemy with another hit

Yup! An archer isn't completely an archer until Snipe IMO ;)

[Moogerfooger]

Aww man I got six levels to go until I can unlock snipe ;)

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Aww man I got six levels to go until I can unlock snipe ;)

I was messaging u in game didnt u c??? =\?? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Ellyidol]

Aww man I got six levels to go until I can unlock snipe ;)

It starts with Paralyzing, then Avulsion makes it a bit more complete. Snipe fully unlocks archers though :p

[Lesrider]

Yeah with a windcutter at lvl 57, snipe crits for over 2k :)

[Moogerfooger]

I am about to unlock Avulsion at 35, already have both toxicities. I rarely use Paralyzing though unless mobs are fast.

Lightning, I was in the middle of talking to someone else. I can't respond to every single message, although I try if I can.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

I am about to unlock Avulsion at 35, already have both toxicities. I rarely use Paralyzing though unless mobs are fast.

Lightning, I was in the middle of talking to someone else. I can't respond to every single message, although I try if I can.

oh my bad. >.<
Also this is an open question: what kind of attributes increases when I get wisdom?

and one more thing...for a warrior, which is more important...stamina or crit? I put all my skills in guardian (except for one in battle which increases my attack damage ;))

[Moogerfooger]

Wisdom is for mana regeneration only, as far as I know. Kinda useless on warriors, as everything is morale-based. I never played full Guardian so I don't know if it matters for Guardian warriors.

Crit is for additional damage hits kinda like PL, stamina ups your h/s although I think it indirectly makes some other attributes a little better...but health regeneration is the main one from what I can tell.

[Lesrider]

Moog, give paralyzing toxicity a chance. I tried both, and paralyzing is by far the most useful. It gives you more time to attack, including regular attacks. Much more damage than the little bit you get if the other poison kicks in (it doesn't bleed -- just a one-time extra damage, so I find it pretty useless).

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Wisdom is for mana regeneration only, as far as I know. Kinda useless on warriors, as everything is morale-based. I never played full Guardian so I don't know if it matters for Guardian warriors.

Crit is for additional damage hits kinda like PL, stamina ups your h/s although I think it indirectly makes some other attributes a little better...but health regeneration is the main one from what I can tell.

allrighty thank you. :)

[chrononh]

Haha, no not to shoot with. Just for the stats :)

Just like how archers spend, assuming you use gold to buy, about 250 gold on each seal. I don't melee at all in PvP, but the stats it gives me for my ranged attacks are nice :D

Interesting. How much does the Seal improve the ranged attacks? Will two Seals be better than just one? I looted two Seals (three, actually, but sold one) and can't decide whether to equip them or not on my archer.

[Lesrider]

Interesting. How much does the Seal improve the ranged attacks? Will two Seals be better than just one? I looted two Seals (three, actually, but sold one) and can't decide whether to equip them or not on my archer.

Dang either you have incredible luck or are just playing way way way more than I am ;)

[Formora]

Interesting. How much does the Seal improve the ranged attacks? Will two Seals be better than just one? I looted two Seals (three, actually, but sold one) and can't decide whether to equip them or not on my archer.

Freja?

[chrononh]

Freja?

Heya. :)

[Darkchylde]

ok i know a few people dogged celtic heroes but it is pretty cool i been playin it at work not as good as order an chaos though but it is free to play several servers too and thats pretty cool but the devs patched the game tues morning added a few items an more gold ,its a work in progress as much as i can tell one dev said they are gonna hav a major patch via the app store the devs are in the game too an in the forums an listening to the fans kinda like spacetime studios does which is better than gameloft cause i barely see nothin posted on ther forums like all of yall i am waiting on the patch too http://www.onethumbmobile.com/celticheroes/forum/index.php?sid=c7aecccdc6933cdb144a3c0fa22fd785 heres the link if you are interested i think this game is gonna get better with each new patch well any way thats my 2 cents


http://www.celtic-heroes.com/its not a wow clone as everybody has compared order and chaos as an gameloft for copying games i love all mmo rpg an they all should get a chance


oh and G i aint dissin on your game PL i jus think everybody should hav ther chance at makin new games specially a free one like yours ..yours is a master piece i think this one will be good too with time

[Formora]

Heya. :)

Yooo. If I was as lucky you I would definitely use those seals. I mean I'd get a few more after an hour of farming :p

[Ellyidol]

Freja, if you don't mind me asking, where did you get the seals? If you remember :)

[Formora]

Freja, if you don't mind me asking, where did you get the seals? If you remember :)

Elemental guards.

[Ellyidol]

Elemental guards.

Seals? Guards drop the Lotus if I'm not mistaken.

I know the ghost area drops seals, but I'm not aware of anywhere else..

[FluffNStuff]

Seals? Guards drop the Lotus if I'm not mistaken.

I know the ghost area drops seals, but I'm not aware of anywhere else..
Just hit 54 so my main goal right now is to loot a seal (hee hee). Have the gold to buy one, but it would be more fun to loot, so I only have till I hit 56, which is tricky with double dailies. Anyway, the word is any 55-56 mobs can drop the seal, so I am farming ghost town and the elite screamers.

[Benaorn]

Just hit 54 so my main goal right now is to loot a seal (hee hee). Have the gold to buy one, but it would be more fun to loot, so I only have till I hit 56, which is tricky with double dailies. Anyway, the word is any 55-56 mobs can drop the seal, so I am farming ghost town and the elite screamers.

Try to farm it while you're lower level if you don't like farming at 60 (maybe less boring because you are farming and getting exp). The daily quests will get you to 60 fast before you notice. Ghosts drop good money and lot of junks.

[Ellyidol]

Btw, I think it would be a good idea to stop any plan on buying/spending of gold. With the new update coming (even Update 1), there's some new armour or stuff that's coming along, so I'm pretty sceptical if these armour would replace what we have..

Personally will only be looking for inflow of gold, no outflows :p

Good luck on the seals! Ironic how crowded a "ghost town" is :(

[chrononh]

Seals? Guards drop the Lotus if I'm not mistaken.

I know the ghost area drops seals, but I'm not aware of anywhere else..

It's the ghost area right outside of Farstrider. I was just farming them for gold and random items to liquidate when these dropped. I was really surprised when the first one dropped. Then the second one dropped just a few minutes later. When I went back the next day, I got the third. Haven't had much of a chance to farm them since because the area is really full of farmers now. BTW, the Blood Moon cloak comes from there too. And I think the Labaulan lvl 53 warrior helm.

Elemental Guards drop the Flying Bow, Lotus daggers and the level 60 Redtrophi warrior gear. At least that's pretty much all I've seen from there so far. The Wind Cutter, Hammerbane, Warship Slasher, Lava King stuff (trident and a monk/Mage offhand weapon) and I think the Silar dagger and Silar staff drop from the Black Beach Bats.

Umbra Rift hasn't dropped any blues that I remember when I farmed it for a couple hours. I did get a lot of requests from mages and monks for help to finish their quests. The last straw was when I helped an Eclipse (because he already died a few times doing the boss blood quests and he asked nicely if I'd help him). Never did go back there to farm again.

[Benaorn]

Did they mention anything about new armor/weapon? I only see additional quest for the last two zones and "Additional content and several bug fixes will also be implemented...". I don't know what the additional content is, but it can't be dungeons because it won't be release until update 2. Honestly, I don't really think additional quests are need since the game is already easy to level.

[Ellyidol]

It's the ghost area right outside of Farstrider. I was just farming them for gold and random items to liquidate when these dropped. I was really surprised when the first one dropped. Then the second one dropped just a few minutes later. When I went back the next day, I got the third. Haven't had much of a chance to farm them since because the area is really full of farmers now. BTW, the Blood Moon cloak comes from there too. And I think the Labaulan lvl 53 warrior helm.

Elemental Guards drop the Flying Bow, Lotus daggers and the level 60 Redtrophi warrior gear. At least that's pretty much all I've seen from there so far. The Wind Cutter, Hammerbane, Warship Slasher, Lava King stuff (trident and a monk/Mage offhand weapon) and I think the Silar dagger and Silar staff drop from the Black Beach Bats.

Umbra Rift hasn't dropped any blues that I remember when I farmed it for a couple hours. I did get a lot of requests from mages and monks for help to finish their quests. The last straw was when I helped an Eclipse (because he already died a few times doing the boss blood quests and he asked nicely if I'd help him). Never did go back there to farm again.

Lucky son of a gun! Haven't looted a seal ever, and hours of farming there! Lol.

Those sound about right too, drops and locations :)

I tried Umbra too, no luck though.


Did they mention anything about new armor/weapon? I only see additional quest for the last two zones and "Additional content and several bug fixes will also be implemented...". I don't know what the additional content is, but it can't be dungeons because it won't be release until update 2. Honestly, I don't really think additional quests are need since the game is already easy to level.

I'll check again, but last I remember one of those dot points had "New Armour Sets Implemented" or something, will re confirm.

[matamurman]

Is o&c worth buying? Well let me rephrase its now available for android and does any1 play on an android tha can let me know how the gameplay is pls ? Sry and can I play on 4g or is it stricly wi-fi to play, was kinda. Upset it was for iphone/pad one but now its here and would like to play it also along with pl

[Benaorn]

It's worth buying for me anyway. I am not sure about android and as far as playing on 3g/4g, you can't right now unless you have an unlock phone.

[MITSUISUN]

So, I'm 34 now, using an awesome blue crossbow Mits gave me. Critting 550+ every other hit or so, I'm in love with it. Hoping to be 35-37 by tonight.
Like many other has said, u will enjoy more and more as archer. Well, any class really, that's why I am on my 5th and 6th, as u seen lots of people reroll and having fun with different classes.

Good u like the bow Apollo :) I will craft u stuff as u level up etc.
I say no need to use runes to exp ahead. Save them for future epic or perhaps artifact crafting. Gonna be on less this week until early next weekish.

Forum PM is best way for me to communicate etc.

[DawnInfinity]

After snipe where should I be putting my skill points? :confused: for now, I'm finishing up the thing that adds crit % to explosive shot

[Benaorn]

After snipe where should I be putting my skill points? :confused: for now, I'm finishing up the thing that adds crit % to explosive shot

After snipe, you should go to assassin tree. Get 5% crit and escape then maybe back to archer tree. Escape is great for everything (pve, pvp, and traveling). If you like PVP, also get cutthroat, apnea, and rapid steps.

[chrononh]

After snipe where should I be putting my skill points? :confused: for now, I'm finishing up the thing that adds crit % to explosive shot

I maxed high explosive after I respec'ed and found that I was using more vigor after explosive shot and actually started running out of vigor. Maybe someone can confirm it, but I'm respec'ing my archer again to get rid of that one extra point.

I also put a point in Split Shot after Cryo suggested it. It's my second highest crit after Snipe.

[FluffNStuff]

Ended up just buying a seal for 200 and my assassin will flip over to 56 with tonights dailies. So on another topic, I decided to look at my mage again and he is 18 and a complete mess. For fire mage, do you go fire till the end then add in some frost stuff? Guess I am looking for a fire mage guide.

[MITSUISUN]

I maxed high explosive after I respec'ed and found that I was using more vigor after explosive shot and actually started running out of vigor. Maybe someone can confirm it, but I'm respec'ing my archer again to get rid of that one extra point.

I also put a point in Split Shot after Cryo suggested it. It's my second highest crit after Snipe.

I dont think maxing "High Explosive" would increase your vigor use. Increase cost of vigor/morale/mana, should be determiend by the skill/spell rank, higher rank will cost more and require more cool-down.

Cleave on War battle tree on the other hand, is another story. I added 1 point into it so i can hit 2 targets, so it says morale cost will be 100% increase. I take it that if the regular Swift Strike Rank1 cost 15, it will become 30; if Rank5 is 50, it becomes 100

[Formora]

Hey guys, I recommend everyone give assassin a try lol. Super fun, as good as archers. Here's my build at 60 : http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=150000000000000000000050151313555110033101 51

[chrononh]

I dont think maxing "High Explosive" would increase your vigor use. Increase cost of vigor/morale/mana, should be determiend by the skill/spell rank, higher rank will cost more and require more cool-down.

That actually makes sense. I upgraded the rank to the highest order at the same time I respec'ed. I'm keeping it at the next lower level and see if that helps with the vigor thing.


Cleave on War battle tree on the other hand, is another story. I added 1 point into it so i can hit 2 targets, so it says morale cost will be 100% increase. I take it that if the regular Swift Strike Rank1 cost 15, it will become 30; if Rank5 is 50, it becomes 100

I have three points in Cleave to hit three additional targets. The mana cost increase is only 50%.

[Inching]

Yeah with a windcutter at lvl 57, snipe crits for over 2k :)

my snipe crits at 2400 and my blast crits at 1200

stealth > rapid > snipe > Avulsion > blast > rapid

If i crit all the above which is over 75% of the time, dont care what build or who u r, ur toast. If I dont crit and ur still standing then I usually charge you back in stealth while using escape.... and I shadow strike you.. seeing I have Keen Swing maxed (if ur a magic user, i will silance u instead), I for sure will crit you and then ur toast.

The only trouble I have are with assassins because they stealth like me to begin with and I had a pvp match lasting 10 mins because we couldnt find eachother .... but if ur not assassin, I really think archers will own. At least I have yet to find a non assassin who can own me.

[Formora]

Guys, does bidding in AH actually work? Stuff seems to stay at 0m for hours when it should have expired lol.

[Ellyidol]

Guys, does bidding in AH actually work? Stuff seems to stay at 0m for hours when it should have expired lol.

I think it does, I just don't know whats up with that 0m thing. Lol.

Personally, bidding in the AH will need you to actually camp the AH when the bid is almost done, unless nobody is really after the item :p

So I only bid on those items with a few hours to 0m left.

[Formora]

I was going to bid on a seal, 200g. Whenever I'm on prices are like 250g+. I didn't want to buyout in case I changed my mind because I have like 4 more levels to go.

Anyways it got bought already. Oh well.

[Ellyidol]

I was going to bid on a seal, 200g. Whenever I'm on prices are like 250g+. I didn't want to buyout in case I changed my mind because I have like 4 more levels to go.

Anyways it got bought already. Oh well.

200? Good price, IMO :)

[Formora]

Yep, too bad. I've been questing at the ghost area, a few green drops but nothing else.

[Echelong]

Yep, too bad. I've been questing at the ghost area, a few green drops but nothing else.

If you are an archer there are lotus with better stats for you and cheaper like the wind that gives 15 agl which means 30 ranged AP. the seal dagger is better for assassins IMO.

[Formora]

If you are an archer there are lotus with better stats for you and cheaper like the wind that gives 15 agl which means 30 ranged AP. the seal dagger is better for assassins IMO.

Yeah, I'm an assassin.

[Echelong]

Yeah, I'm an assassin.

Ok then get one asap lol. Also for off hand you can have another seal or get a lotus of offense but I found it a lot more economic and about the same stats getting one of the axe or hammer level 59 of offense which sell for about 100g or less I bought an axe for 40g. You get less DPS from the offhand but same nice stats as the lotus.

[FluffNStuff]

Update on my deep sneak experiment. For me it was a complete fail in PVE because 3 seconds is not enough time to get to the enemy and get off two attacks, and it will not work in battle because smoke bomb causes the mob to reset, so even if you pull it off, you hit for zero's :(.

[Echelong]

Update on my deep sneak experiment. For me it was a complete fail in PVE because 3 seconds is not enough time to get to the enemy and get off two attacks, and it will not work in battle because smoke bomb causes the mob to reset, so even if you pull it off, you hit for zero's :(.

If you use deep sneak and you attack you you don't unstealth? If so can you test it on pvp? If it works like that then sneak attack might be worth it.

If so then this might be a good pvp spec

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Ranger/index.html?class=Ranger&talents=140010000000000000000043151313555110033101 31

[FluffNStuff]

If you use deep sneak and you attack you you don't unstealth? If so can you test it on pvp? If it works like that then sneak attack might be worth it.



I got it to work on posts but in practice it is difficult. The 3 seconds starts when you hit smoke bomb, so you have to get off two hits almost immediately because of GCD (same GCD that killed my daughter and knocked up my dog :) )

[Benaorn]

What's the blinding condition? Your opponent can't see for 8 seconds or their hit just reduce by 75% for 8 seconds?

[Lesrider]

I got it to work on posts but in practice it is difficult. The 3 seconds starts when you hit smoke bomb, so you have to get off two hits almost immediately because of GCD (same GCD that killed my daughter and knocked up my dog :) )

Lol I remember that unfortunate incident! Was justice ever served?

[Echelong]

What's the blinding condition? Your opponent can't see for 8 seconds or their hit just reduce by 75% for 8 seconds?

Hit is reduced by 75% and that is a lot means he will miss 3 of every 4 hits and the one that he can land can be dodged or parried. It is very very usefull but uses a lot of vigor.

[FluffNStuff]

Went to the dessert for the nomad daily today and I am level 56. I joined up with some 40's and was killing nomads quick. They kicked me out because they said they were not getting xp. Were they just confused on how xp works, or is this to prevent higher ups from power leveling lower players?

[Lesrider]

Went to the dessert for the nomad daily today and I am level 56. I joined up with some 40's and was killing nomads quick. They kicked me out because they said they were not getting xp. Were they just confused on how xp works, or is this to prevent higher ups from power leveling lower players?

Nope, they're right. The xp scales to the highest lvl player in the team. So if you don't get xp, they wouldn't either. I like it that way, and I think it was a good move on GL's part. Don't see much powerleveling because of that.

[FluffNStuff]

Nope, they're right. The xp scales to the highest lvl player in the team. So if you don't get xp, they wouldn't either. I like it that way, and I think it was a good move on GL's part. Don't see much powerleveling because of that.

Totally agree with it, just wanted to make sure. Now I feel bad inviting lower players when doing dailies, as I thought I was helping them :(

[Lesrider]

Totally agree with it, just wanted to make sure. Now I feel bad inviting lower players when doing dailies, as I thought I was helping them :(

Well, if they're just doing the dailies, you are still helping them get it done faster. But if they're there grinding xp, you're not helping ;)

[Formora]

Ok then get one asap lol. Also for off hand you can have another seal or get a lotus of offense but I found it a lot more economic and about the same stats getting one of the axe or hammer level 59 of offense which sell for about 100g or less I bought an axe for 40g. You get less DPS from the offhand but same nice stats as the lotus.

Thanks. I got an axe with better stats than lotus.

[Inching]

Thanks. I got an axe with better stats than lotus.

as an assassin, u want a seal in ur main hand and a lotus in ur off hand and carrying a wind cutter. thats the build.

[Formora]

as an assassin, u want a seal in ur main hand and a lotus in ur off hand and carrying a wind cutter. thats the build.

Actually no... Why would any assassin want a wind cutter? It gives stamina, hit and dodge. The best bow would be flying bow of offense. But the wind whisper is also pretty good and a lot cheaper.


And lotus of offense isn't the only option. If you actually looked at the other 1hs, you would see that the general's frontier axe is just as good. It has 7 strength/hit/crit and 9 attack. You lose 3 attack and 2 crit but gain 7 hit and the other bonuses from strength. Would you really pay 1k for 3 attack and 2 crit? The off hand dps doesn't even matter much, except for surprise attack which is mainly for stun anyway.

Yes I agree with seal, all assassins should have one as main hand for the damage. I got mine today from Freja.

[Echelong]

Actually no... Why would any assassin want a wind cutter? It gives stamina, hit and dodge. The best bow would be flying bow of offense. But the wind whisper is also pretty good and a lot cheaper.


And lotus of offense isn't the only option. If you actually looked at the other 1hs, you would see that the general's frontier axe is just as good. It has 7 strength/hit/crit and 9 attack. You lose 3 attack and 2 crit but gain 7 hit and the other bonuses from strength. Would you really pay 1k for 3 attack and 2 crit? The off hand dps doesn't even matter much, except for surprise attack which is mainly for stun anyway.

Yes I agree with seal, all assassins should have one as main hand for the damage. I got mine today from Freja.

Yep that is the same one I have and yeah I agree the flying bow of offense is the best one but its worth a lot of gold and rare to get it.

[Lesrider]

Yo, can you tell your f'ing guildmate Readtitle to stop duel spamming me in greenmont? No means no! I'm so tired of the treatment we're getting from some Tragic members.

[Sigkill]

Yo, can you tell your f'ing guildmate Readtitle to stop duel spamming me in greenmont? No means no! I'm so tired of the treatment we're getting from some Tragic members.

Josh can be annoying sometimes :)

[Lesrider]

Anyone remember who/what drops the quest item to survey to get the rest of the olande quests? On my other chars I just got it without having to search for it, and now I can't find it on my third char. Anyone remember? I don't want to farm the whole swamps looking for it...

[Formora]

Anyone remember who/what drops the quest item to survey to get the rest of the olande quests? On my other chars I just got it without having to search for it, and now I can't find it on my third char. Anyone remember? I don't want to farm the whole swamps looking for it...

It's at Eoltarblod, the boss at the spinning wheel thing.

[Lesrider]

It's at Eoltarblod, the boss at the spinning wheel thing.

Yeah I figured it out --- thanks!

[FluffNStuff]

Would someone from Tragic like to tell me why ReadTitle and SkimSlim ( a pair of 60's) decided to spawn kill 10 times in Vega? Is it time to go tag hunting?

[Zeus]

Would someone from Tragic like to tell me why ReadTitle and SkimSlim ( a pair of 60's) decided to spawn kill 10 times in Vega? Is it time to go tag hunting?

They were probably doing it to help out another guild member that was being spawned originally. Can't say for sure though, since I haven't been in O&C as of late.

[Lesrider]

They were probably doing it to help out another guild member that was being spawned originally. Can't say for sure though, since I haven't been in O&C as of late.

I highly doubt Fluff was spawn killing anyone. Those two seem to have it out for all Outlaws since their incident with Joey.

[Moogerfooger]

They were probably doing it to help out another guild member that was being spawned originally. Can't say for sure though, since I haven't been in O&C as of late.

That has nothing to do with them spawnkilling Fluff a bunch of times in a row. Those two are low on class.

[FluffNStuff]

They were probably doing it to help out another guild member that was being spawned originally. Can't say for sure though, since I haven't been in O&C as of late.

Are you a Tragic member?

[Ellyidol]

Hey guys, I've already spoken to all the members, I was actually there for some of the Vega stuff yesterday, don't think I encountered you though Fluff. Anyway, I've told them and they're just pissed off since that incident. I'm not getting involved, talk to them if you wanna fix things. I'll be gone for a few weeks anyway, so I cant do much. Rest assured I tell them every time.

[Lesrider]

Hey guys, I've already spoken to all the members, I was actually there for some of the Vega stuff yesterday, don't think I encountered you though Fluff. Anyway, I've told them and they're just pissed off since that incident. I'm not getting involved, talk to them if you wanna fix things. I'll be gone for a few weeks anyway, so I cant do much. Rest assured I tell them every time.

So they have a tiff with one person and take it out on the entire guild? Real mature. Our guild has never done anything to yours, and I'd appreciate if they'd stay away instead of turning this into guild wars.

[romgar1]

Just thought i would post here since there is no other way to talk to my old friends from pl. Hi brooke, fluff, lesrider, redryder, blackryder, and many many more friends i miss.

[Lesrider]

Just thought i would post here since there is no other way to talk to my old friends from pl. Hi brooke, fluff, lesrider, redryder, blackryder, and many many more friends i miss.

Hi Rom! Did you buy it for droid yet? It won't solve your problem of not being able to talk to us, but you can at least see what all the hype is about ;). And maybe one day GL will let us merge servers.

[Ladylove]

Just thought i would post here since there is no other way to talk to my old friends from pl. Hi brooke, fluff, lesrider, redryder, blackryder, and many many more friends i miss.

Hey Dave <3

[shmoo]

Hi Rom! Did you buy it for droid yet? It won't solve your problem of not being able to talk to us, but you can at least see what all the hype is about ;). And maybe one day GL will let us merge servers.

If the population doesn't go up they would probably opt to merge servers...
Has anyone tried a server transfer yet? Since update 1 was already rolled I am assuming GL got it up and running.. XD

[Formora]

If the population doesn't go up they would probably opt to merge servers...
Has anyone tried a server transfer yet? Since update 1 was already rolled I am assuming GL got it up and running.. XD

Is Update #1 out? I don't see an update available. Should be out soon though since June's almost over.

[FluffNStuff]

Just thought i would post here since there is no other way to talk to my old friends from pl. Hi brooke, fluff, lesrider, redryder, blackryder, and many many more friends i miss.

Hey Rom. Really sucks you can't get on the same server right now because guild chat is the main reason I play. So as a droid owner, can I be officially jealous of you now because I would sooo rather be playing Black Star.

[Redbridge]

Hi All

Dipped my toe into O&C this morning, i did have 4 alts over on the european servers and left them there to fester once I realised you were all over on the American servers.

Looking for some tips really?

What guild are you all in - hopefully we can hook up.

Created a Monk on the right server today (IGN Redbridge) unsure what route to take. Miliatry/Divine?

I also fancied getting into crafting and wondered, again if there's a better route to take.

Any hints, tips, etc greatly appreciated.

Suspect I'll be a while catching up... (AGAIN lol)

[Moogerfooger]

Hey Mr. Bridge!

We are split over two guilds (I won't get into that any further), Outlaws and Tragic. Outlaws is more PvE based, Tragic is bigger and concentrates more on PvP, or at least more than Outlaws does from what I can tell.

Most people, when doing monks, go mostly military until about lvl 45, then respec to mostly divine, because there is some grinding required later in the game and having divine monks around makes team grinding a lot easier. Just concentrate on getting gear with Wisdom regardless of which way you go, as it drives mana regeneration which is an issue for military monks until you unlock a couple of skills later on. A few people have high-lvl monks (in Outlaws there are a few of us, and I'm sure Tragic has a bunch) so they know some of the better monk builds/skills.

Crafting is fairly complicated to explain, but fairly simple in concept...someone else who knows more tips about that than me can maybe chime in.

[Lesrider]

Hi Redbridge,

For my warrior, I crafted along the way, stopping in Greenmont between continents to make sure I had all the recipes I could make until the next level of crafting. I liked it, bc it allowed me to have the right gear as soon as I could wear it, and a bunch of my guildmates were warriors at the same time, so I made them all gear as well. It was useful till around lvl 45 or so and then the recipes all need general symbols. On my archer, I did it differently and just have master lvl crafting with no recipes. Not as much fun and cost me lot more, but at the time I decided to do that our guild had no leather crafters. Anyway, if you're going to craft at all, I recommend doing it as you level to give you more variety and that way you can farm the appropriate mobs for mats, get xp from them and not have to spend as much gold on mats.

I never did cloth, but Joey has master lvl cloth -- you could ask him if it's worth it.

[Redbridge]

Hey Moo and Les

I'm thinking Outlaws is gonna be more my thing then.... "I don't PvP" as a well know PLer once (or repeatedly said). Is there any chance someone could point me in the direction of a guild invite?

Ok, I've now read a little bit more and am thinking Monk might not be my best option??

I'm more likely to want to both solo and group play when possible as my timezone is UK so might not be best for everyone else. Although I work a 24hr shift pattern so playing times will be all over the place.

Re: Crafting (and having done a bit of reading) it would appear a good way to 'power-level' my crafting skills would be to craft for others too. Does the guild have a gap? IE one of the three crafts that they need more than the other? Suspect the low level crafting i'm only able to offer, will be surplus to requirements for the time being, would be great to select the right one initially though.

I'm gonna make a warrior and an Archer also and play will all three for a bit and see which i like....

Looking forward to catching up with a few of you, well half of a few of you anyways...LOL. (i'm not gonna ask)

[MoarPewPew]

Any word on an update so I can start to play again? :(

[Benaorn]

Cloth is definitely worth it. You will loot so many clothes that you won't know what to do with it :). Tailor is the easiest of the three. Level up your crafting when you level as of right now most of the quest reward are better than the crafted except maybe a few where you will need symbol. Everybody can solo in this game. Some faster and better (archer and warrior) than others. You can solo all the way to 60 with any class. As far as when dungeon is released, a divine monk and a guardian warrior are a must have in a group I would think.

[BlazeMystic]

Hi Redbridge, I know Lesrider can invite you if you add Lesrider as a friend and then message for invite.

Don't worry about being left behind, I started playing almost as soon as O&C was released and I am yet to get even one character to level 60! lol (nearing the finish line on one, sort of). I have a lowbie divine monk who is increadibly boring to play and to level up, so if you wanted to, we could team up. She is only level 17 or 18 so it wouldn't take you long to catch up.

[Lesrider]

Hi Red,

Would be glad to have you in our guild :)

I can't get in-game right now (or for the next few hrs). But Moog and Formora can add you. If you see them on, just whisper to them to send you an invite. You need to both be on at the same time for an invite to happen.

And many of us played Warrior first, as it's a great soloing class -- can aoe, heal, take a beating. It's easier to play when still learning the ropes and you don't know your way around so well yet. You can afford to make mistakes because of your high armor and healing. Ranger is great for the sneak/stunning skills, but I ended up quitting around lvl 22 and rolling a warrior, then came back to my archer after. Was much easier then bc I had a better idea of where to go, so could sneak right in and get the job done.

[Redbridge]

Hey Blazemystic, cheers for the advice. Sounds like i have a levelling partner already...lol

Les - I've added all three of you to my friends list, and will look out for you in the meantime. I'm on nights this week so will be on shift (semi-afk) with iPad to one side stalking you guys for an invite....

Looking forward to a new learning experience..

[FluffNStuff]

Hi Red,

Would be glad to have you in our guild :)

I can't get in-game right now (or for the next few hrs). But Moog and Formora can add you. If you see them on, just whisper to them to send you an invite. You need to both be on at the same time for an invite to happen.

And many of us played Warrior first, as it's a great soloing class -- can aoe, heal, take a beating. It's easier to play when still learning the ropes and you don't know your way around so well yet. You can afford to make mistakes because of your high armor and healing. Ranger is great for the sneak/stunning skills, but I ended up quitting around lvl 22 and rolling a warrior, then came back to my archer after. Was much easier then bc I had a better idea of where to go, so could sneak right in and get the job done.

Trying a Warrior now, figure I leveled the tricky class, might as well do an easier one next :) It seems you start with 20 moral, and have to hit to get more. Wouldn't a dual hand with a really fast dagger in off hand get you moral quickly? Also, if you are in a team, does other peoples hits get you moral? Also, what is a good skill progression. Should I get that shout because it only works for 30 seconds, or does it get better as you up it? Figure I should just try everything till 20 then respec.

[Benaorn]

I think moral is based on the damage you deal and the damage you take so depending if you do more damage with a 2h or dual wield. With two 2h you get high burst damage (good for spamming strike and other skills that have % damage from main hand) and with dual wield, I think you get constant damage. With dual wield, you will need to get gears with hit to get your hit up while 2h you don't need much hit from gears. I would get charge (1 point into guardian), offensive shout, ruthless, warpath, sonic slash, cleave (if you like hitting three targets with your strike decreasing your moral) or fence for the first 20 level.

[FluffNStuff]

I think moral is based on the damage you deal and the damage you take so depending if you do more damage with a 2h or dual wield. With two 2h you get high burst damage (good for spamming strike and other skills that have % damage from main hand) and with dual wield, I think you get constant damage. With dual wield, you will need to get gears with hit to get your hit up while 2h you don't need much hit from gears. I would get charge (1 point into guardian), offensive shout, ruthless, warpath, sonic slash, cleave (if you like hitting three targets with your strike decreasing your moral) or fence for the first 20 level.

Thanks, OH, and 60!!!!

Question, are other 60's holding on to repeatable stuff for a quick burst of exp when they raise the cap?

[Lesrider]

Fluff, as a warrior, use your bow or sonic slash as the first hit to aggro a mob. The bow will build morale while the mob comes to you. Means you don't have to run TO them, also. Sonic slash is not often available at the start of anbattle at low lvls. But later when you get Berzerk, sonic slash will be your favorite skill.

[joeychandler]

Thanks, OH, and 60!!!!

Question, are other 60's holding on to repeatable stuff for a quick burst of exp when they raise the cap?

Gratz, and yea I have about 50 of each of those repeatable quest items. I hear some people have about 3k

[Benaorn]

I have over 100 of each on my warrior. Since it was my first character, I was thinking that I would use it to get from 59 to 60 like the repeatable in the desert. When I was able to do all the daily quests and see how much exp I get, I took daily quests route instead of using the repeatable (over 200k a day). I think they are deciding whether to give exp after level 60 or not on that repeatable. I am happy with either decision.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

is anyone around level 40 willing to help me in the Great Desert? There are a few quests I'm stuck on, plus I level too slowly =\.

[Redbridge]

Ok, so AdrianMonk added me (Redbridge) to Outlaws... cheers.

Created a Monk (Redbridge) and a Warrior (Redridge), but have been told to consider binning the monk as they aren't up to much.

Any thoughts? I don't want to waste time on a dud, but I'm enjoying the class so far.

Also starting to build up a pot of materials, I'm suspecting I need to craft for currency to spend on levelling rather than to purchase more lower level recipes. Again any thoughts/advice welcomed.

[Benaorn]

is anyone around level 40 willing to help me in the Great Desert? There are a few quests I'm stuck on, plus I level too slowly =\.

What quests are you stuck with? You shouldn't have any problem with quest in the desert.

[Sigkill]

Ok, so AdrianMonk added me (Redbridge) to Outlaws... cheers.

Created a Monk (Redbridge) and a Warrior (Redridge), but have been told to consider binning the monk as they aren't up to much.

Any thoughts? I don't want to waste time on a dud, but I'm enjoying the class so far.

Also starting to build up a pot of materials, I'm suspecting I need to craft for currency to spend on levelling rather than to purchase more lower level recipes. Again any thoughts/advice welcomed.

Monks get taken down so easily, have no skills to ambush or escape. If you want a fast lvler and a wicked pvper become a ranger, If you want a Fast lvler and like tanking become a warrior, If you like to be a caster and deal damage with spells become a mage which is decent in both lvling and pvp. Monks are the slowest lvlers, apart from the cool animations they fall flat compared to the others

[Redbridge]

Monks get taken down so easily, have no skills to ambush or escape. If you want a fast lvler and a wicked pvper become a ranger, If you want a Fast lvler and like tanking become a warrior, If you like to be a caster and deal damage with spells become a mage which is decent in both lvling and pvp. Monks are the slowest lvlers, apart from the cool animations they fall flat compared to the others

HeHe - You did say that in game.....

Ima gonna level my Warrior for now, and maybe create a Bird, sorry Ranger...lol

[Moogerfooger]

Monks get taken down so easily, have no skills to ambush or escape. If you want a fast lvler and a wicked pvper become a ranger, If you want a Fast lvler and like tanking become a warrior, If you like to be a caster and deal damage with spells become a mage which is decent in both lvling and pvp. Monks are the slowest lvlers, apart from the cool animations they fall flat compared to the others

Totally and utterly false. Did you level a monk to 60? Only monks with no clue get taken down easily. I had no problems with my monk after 30-35, it just takes more planning than a warrior or ranger. You don't need ambush or escape at all. Use arrow of faith or fire of faith (once unlocked, if divine) to aggro the mob, then use mantis cudgel which will 90% of the time stun the enemy as they reach you for 5 secs or until you hit them, preferably with a high damage move. I had a riot with my monk after 30ish, although it is definitely more challenging. I respeced to divine at 45 and very very rarely died due to the awesome healing capability and I had decent armor.

Not to mention I leveled my monk as fast as I leveled my warrior. Mages are far squishier than a decent monk, especially at lower levels and may be the toughest/most challenging class of all.

Not to mention Military Monks are terrific at PvP/elite boss farming, due to their instant cast high-damage Lion King Strike, and they have the skills that makes them near invincible for 15 seconds (I think it is 15)

[Moogerfooger]

HeHe - You did say that in game.....

Ima gonna level my Warrior for now, and maybe create a Bird, sorry Ranger...lol

Don't listen to that post for a single second. Totally an opinion and one I disagree with (and Royce did as well, before he went MIA again, when people tried to dog on monks)

[Sigkill]

Don't listen to that post for a single second. Totally an opinion and one I disagree with (and Royce did as well, before he went MIA again, when people tried to dog on monks)

No, I didn't lvl a monk to 60. I have a monk at lvl 15 and compared with what my ranger did at 15 I didnt like it.

[Redbridge]

Ok - I'll play them all to about 20 and see how it goes.... LOL

[Lesrider]

Ok - I'll play them all to about 20 and see how it goes.... LOL

Just play and enjoy the game :)
All classes offer something different -- and everyone's going to have their own favorite.

[DawnInfinity]

I'm gonna level a monk after my ranger. They are extremely helpful, and seem pretty cool.

[Lesrider]

Guys, please make sure before you ask to join our guild that you actually want to be in it.

Thank you.

[DawnInfinity]

Guys, please make sure before you ask to join our guild that you actually want to be in it.

Thank you.
:( <3

[Ellyidol]

Yeah monks are actually the hardest to take down, if played well. They can actually keep healing and supporting nonstop when you have your mana skill, thus making them essential to any group. It's also quite easy to see a seasoned monk from a new one, timing of spells, etc.

[Benaorn]

I'm gonna level a monk after my ranger. They are extremely helpful, and seem pretty cool.

Monks are good in PVP and PVE (dungeon or group). They aren't that bad in solo pve. Might not be as good as archer and warrior in solo pve. They can beat most classes in duel except a good mage.

[Inching]

Hey Moo and Les

I'm thinking Outlaws is gonna be more my thing then.... "I don't PvP" as a well know PLer once (or repeatedly said). Is there any chance someone could point me in the direction of a guild invite?

Ok, I've now read a little bit more and am thinking Monk might not be my best option??

I'm more likely to want to both solo and group play when possible as my timezone is UK so might not be best for everyone else. Although I work a 24hr shift pattern so playing times will be all over the place.

Re: Crafting (and having done a bit of reading) it would appear a good way to 'power-level' my crafting skills would be to craft for others too. Does the guild have a gap? IE one of the three crafts that they need more than the other? Suspect the low level crafting i'm only able to offer, will be surplus to requirements for the time being, would be great to select the right one initially though.

I'm gonna make a warrior and an Archer also and play will all three for a bit and see which i like....

Looking forward to catching up with a few of you, well half of a few of you anyways...LOL. (i'm not gonna ask)


Which ever guild you decide I do think you need to join one. This is because there are graveyards in this game located in PvP areas which little kids like to camp and kill players who spawn there and also when questing in a PvP area, if you have a guild tag, you "might" be left alone..... usually you will be is what I have noticed, especially if its a big guild.

I tried to level a monk but I find it very hard to level him.... I have an archer and after that, I just find any other way too hard and too long to level IMO... if u havent tried archer you should, just try for 5 lvls is my suggestion...

[Ebalere]

Any word on this coming to android? After playing for a few months is everyone still happy with it?

[Moogerfooger]

No, I didn't lvl a monk to 60. I have a monk at lvl 15 and compared with what my ranger did at 15 I didnt like it.

Well monks are not that hot until about lvl 30 and not as easy as warriors or rangers even in the end, but they are far from suck, especially once you get the hang of it. Comparing two classes at 15 and saying 'overall monks suck' is like me, who barely PvPs in PL and has played maybe 50 matches total, saying "i have the best build everrr and I know it's the best". I just don't really have the experience to make any claims about PvP knowledge in PL, in that example, to be saying things that I really don't know the whole story about.

Sorry I was a little harsh (not on purpose at all) but to say a class sucks based on 15 short levels out of 60 long ones rubbed me the wrong way, sorry bud.

[Lesrider]

:( <3

You know you can't leave, right, Dawn? You're our Official Guild Suicidial Maniac!

Btw, has anyone seen the monk skill Bruise work? I have 30% and have yet to see it do anything. But you have to max it to get Lion :/

[DawnInfinity]

You know you can't leave, right, Dawn? You're our Official Guild Suicidial Maniac!

Btw, has anyone seen the monk skill Bruise work? I have 30% and have yet to see it do anything. But you have to max it to get Lion :/
Bahaha! You should see me in the lava at Rift.

Lava + Dawn = happiness

[Ellyidol]

Yeah les, seen it work. Not THAT noticeable, but still there I guess :) and yes, Lion is really good and worth the 3 points investment anyway. Lion is best on dual weapons :D

[Lesrider]

Bahaha! You should see me in the lava at Rift.

Lava + Dawn = happiness

Oh no you di'n! Lol you're probably the only one willing to swim in lava. Although, I do run across it when I know it can only take a few hundred hp off me and not boil me alive :P

[Lesrider]

Yeah les, seen it work. Not THAT noticeable, but still there I guess :) and yes, Lion is really good and worth the 3 points investment anyway. Lion is best on dual weapons :D

So how do you know when it's working?
I'm so used to Avulsion Shot and it's killer damage, so was hoping this would get a similar affect, just randomly.

[Ellyidol]

So how do you know when it's working?I'm so used to Avulsion Shot and it's killer damage, so was hoping this would get a similar affect, just randomly.They'd get a status on them, the bruise icon.

[Redbridge]

Les empty your inbox. thanks

[Inching]

They'd get a status on them, the bruise icon.

This only worth if u PVP IMO, otherwise I think for a PVE player they don't really need it.

[Formora]

Hi Bridge!

There isn't really a best class, every class succeeds and fails in different situations. I had a lot of fun playing warrior, mage and ranger. I'm sure monk will be as fun :)

Anyways, as far as I know we have one blacksmith, two leathercrafters and tailors.

[CrimsonTider]

Question for you "traitors" :) who have been playing for months...

After the initial purchase, is there other things that have to be purchased to play? Like using plat for cerain items, elixirs, etc in pl. It just became available for android users and wondering if it will be worth the cost of trying.

Thanks!

[Lesrider]

Question for you "traitors" :) who have been playing for months...

After the initial purchase, is there other things that have to be purchased to play? Like using plat for cerain items, elixirs, etc in pl. It just became available for android users and wondering if it will be worth the cost of trying.

Thanks!

The only money you HAVE to spend is on the subscription when your I trial three months run out. Other than that, it's all optional. But keep in mind, the only way to get the best gear in the game (epics) is through crafting, and those epics can only be made by purchasing an essence with real cash (unless you get lucky enough to find someone selling it for gold in the AH).
Xp pots cost real cash, but this game is so easy to lvl, I never bought a single xp lot and I'm in middle of lvling my third character. The quests give you enough xp that you only have to grind a few times.

Keep in mind, iOS and Android are on separate servers at the moment, so you won't be able to talk/play/trade/anything with us. Just a head's up in case you thought you could join us.

[Benaorn]

So how do you know when it's working?
I'm so used to Avulsion Shot and it's killer damage, so was hoping this would get a similar affect, just randomly.

I read the description on the talent calculator and it said 10% additional physical damage for 8 second so you're just getting 10% damage from your non spell attack + 25% additional damage when you use lion strike. It's not a DOT.

[Lesrider]

I read the description on the talent calculator and it said 10% additional physical damage for 8 second so you're just getting 10% damage from your non spell attack + 25% additional damage when you use lion strike. It's not a DOT.

So in other words, you wouldn't notice it working unless you're watching the status icons?

[Benaorn]

Yeah that is the only way I think. The bruise icon will appear on the mob health bar. When you high level and doing quest in Rift, remember to get gears with healing if you want to go divine. Spell power only increase your attack spell and not healing.

[Lesrider]

Yeah that is the only way I think. The bruise icon will appear on the mob health bar. When you high level and doing quest in Rift, remember to get gears with healing if you want to go divine. Spell power only increase your attack spell and not healing.

Oh really? I thought Royce said otherwise. But he's MIA, so can't ask him...

[Benaorn]

Oh really? I thought Royce said otherwise. But he's MIA, so can't ask him...

Yeah I checked. I tried gears with spell power and it doesn't increase my healing power. Same with crit and spell crit. Both are not the same while AP power on gears apply to both range and melee.

[Lesrider]

Man, seems like I'm gonna have to buy that 100g bag upgrade (and maybe more?) for my monk. Need str, wisdom, now healing gear. Plus all the pots and food. I have no room for anything lol.

Monks are high maintenance.

Btw, I'm testing out a claw/mace vs a polearm, and other than the lack of daze, I like it better. I seem to take down mobs faster with fist/mace than polearm. Will keep testing it, though.

[CrimsonTider]

The only money you HAVE to spend is on the subscription when your I trial three months run out. Other than that, it's all optional. But keep in mind, the only way to get the best gear in the game (epics) is through crafting, and those epics can only be made by purchasing an essence with real cash (unless you get lucky enough to find someone selling it for gold in the AH).
Xp pots cost real cash, but this game is so easy to lvl, I never bought a single xp lot and I'm in middle of lvling my third character. The quests give you enough xp that you only have to grind a few times.

Keep in mind, iOS and Android are on separate servers at the moment, so you won't be able to talk/play/trade/anything with us. Just a head's up in case you thought you could join us.

So it is just like PL: only use real world money as a choice. And yeah, playing with my PL peeps was pretty much my only draw. Are there any PLers playing on android that anyone knows about?

[Lesrider]

So it is just like PL: only use real world money as a choice. And yeah, playing with my PL peeps was pretty much my only draw. Are there any PLers playing on android that anyone knows about?

I think a couple people mentioned they downloaded it, but haven't heard much since, so not sure if they're still playing.
Weird, cuz I remember a bunch of people wanted to play. Maybe the hype died down after such a long wait?

[CrimsonTider]

Thanks for the info Les. Downloading now to give it a try.

[CrimsonTider]

Scratch that. Could not get the game to open. Went to forums and found a looooong list of problems with Gamelofts games and Android devices. Asked for refund and have a newfound appreciation for Spacetime Studios.

Back to PL and my peeps!!

[MoarPewPew]

The only money you HAVE to spend is on the subscription when your I trial three months run out.


Not true. :) You can play with out the subscription. It is optional. The down sides of not paying for the sub is... No mailbox, Auction house and some other features. Also in the fine print of the TOS Gameloft can delete your account at anytime of you are not subscribed.

[Lesrider]

Not true. :) You can play with out the subscription. It is optional. The down sides of not paying for the sub is... No mailbox, Auction house and some other features. Also in the fine print of the TOS Gameloft can delete your account at anytime of you are not subscribed.

Yeah I heard that too. But come on, if you can't do all that, you're not really playing lol.

[Benaorn]

Just say no to 3 double cheese burger and you're set for 6 months of game play. It's healthy for you too :)

[DawnInfinity]

Here's me stuck on a cliff above lava. My favorite! (I blocked out what monk said because I don't want it to be seen on here)

http://i55.tinypic.com/2j5jrkz.png

[Benaorn]

Here's me stuck on a cliff above lava. My favorite! (I blocked out what monk said because I don't want it to be seen on here)

http://i55.tinypic.com/2j5jrkz.png

Did I said something naughty heh? Are you doing your stunt again (jumping off a cliff and swimming in the lava)?

[joeychandler]

Here's me stuck on a cliff above lava. My favorite! (I blocked out what monk said because I don't want it to be seen on here)

http://i55.tinypic.com/2j5jrkz.png

Lol pretty precarious.

Who is xMonkx? I see them a lot in the guild- maybe moogers monk seeing as you blocked the text.


Edit:
Did I said something naughty heh? Are you doing your stunt again (jumping off a cliff and swimming in the lava)?

Oh it's you kk

[DawnInfinity]

Did I said something naughty heh? Are you doing your stunt again (jumping off a cliff and swimming in the lava)?
I actually jumped down and "escape"d my fiery butt out of there. Bahaa. I can tell you in game why I blocked.

[Lesrider]

Btw, guys, I just noticed recently that under the guild tab, you can add a bit of info about each member. Like who's Alts are who, keep track of who's who ;)

[CryoBlade]

That's lame. I can't add info about myself! :(

[Formora]

Okay, I'll start adding their main's name :)

[Lesrider]

Okay, I'll start adding their main's name :)

Just occurred to me -- is the info seen by the whole guild or each person sees only what they write?

[Formora]

Just occurred to me -- is the info seen by the whole guild or each person sees only what they write?

No, I saw the ones you edited.

[Lesrider]

Ok so start adding them :)

[DawnInfinity]

No, I saw the ones you edited.
Is it the same box that shows where the person is located when you click their name?

[noneo]

Hey everyone. Got the android version Saturday (currently lvl 14). Are there any fellow androiders who are playing?

[Necrobane]

Red, if you decide to go monk. Go military until level 35 then immediately switch to divine. At level 35 you get divine breath and you stop being able to run out of mana. Also, you start your first round of grinding between level 38-40 so theres gonna be a need for div monks. As for tips, the best grinding team is div monk +
battle warrior IMO. Some also like div monk + mage because the monk can keep the mages mana up.