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[Moogerfooger]

The only Rift boss I know is the Elemental King, its in Vita Springs Twilight. From what I know, Eclipse and a lot of other people camp it though.. Only source of General's Symbol that I know of so far too..

Dang...well I can't handle 60 elementals, haha. Maybe when some of us are higher/close to 60 we can get a BanHammer/Tragic symbol hunting party together.

Warriors, I unlocked Alerting Shout in the Guardian branch and bought what skill books to upgrade that I could...very handy when dealing with mobs higher than you. It is a buff that costs no morale, and boosts your dodge/defensive skills for 30 secs. Noticeable difference. I am trying to unlock Ankle Slash at 15 in Guardian (to possibly replace the underpowered Vortex Blade) and thought I would give it a try. Pleasant surprise.

[Benaorn]

There is a Talent Calculator out now. You can guys can use it to plan your talents. Below is my plan for 60.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Warrior/index.html?class=Warrior&talents=105305100351100440110131121303103100000000 00

[Doubletime]

OK -- I bought the Master level blue 2H sword recipe (level 50). It can be crafted into a purple, but requires Essence of God (100 runes). I have all the mats to make two or three, except for the Colonel symbols. It takes three per sword and farming them has been a real pain the last couple days. Always really crowded with 60s there, so I don't have a good chance to farm them at 52.

If anyone is interested in getting one let me know. I am planning to craft one for me and for Les so far. It just may take a couple days to find an opening to get the neccessary symbols.

[Moogerfooger]

There is a Talent Calculator out now. You can guys can use it to plan your talents. Below is my plan for 60.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Warrior/index.html?class=Warrior&talents=10XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX110131121303103100000000 00

Sweet site, thanks for the heads up!

[Lesrider]

OK -- I bought the Master level blue 2H sword recipe (level 50). It can be crafted into a purple, but requires Essence of God (100 runes). I have all the mats to make two or three, except for the Colonel symbols. It takes three per sword and farming them has been a real pain the last couple days. Always really crowded with 60s there, so I don't have a good chance to farm them at 52.

If anyone is interested in getting one let me know. I am planning to craft one for me and for Les so far. It just may take a couple days to find an opening to get the neccessary symbols.

Dt, I bought some master blue recipes and they all require general symbols. Are you sure there's one that uses colonel symbols?

[BeardedBear]

There is a Talent Calculator out now. You can guys can use it to plan your talents. Below is my plan for 60.

http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Warrior/index.html?class=Warrior&talents=105305100351100440110131121303103100000000 00

Nice Ben. I haven't played in about a week, but just messed around with it and surprise, our lvl 60 build is exactly the same. :)

[Doubletime]

Dt, I bought some master blue recipes and they all require general symbols. Are you sure there's one that uses colonel symbols?

Yeah -- I'm an idiot. It requires General symbols. I need to read more carefully. Now I need to level to 58 to even have a shot at a General symbol assuming I can find it when someone else isn't camping the boss.

[Moogerfooger]

Yeah -- I'm an idiot. It requires General symbols. I need to read more carefully. Now I need to level to 58 to even have a shot at a General symbol assuming I can find it when someone else isn't camping the boss.

I am at about 54.5 and running into quests requiring fighting multiple 58 mobs, so I may switch to grinding out a lvl or two tonight at the 54 elites not far from the Suspended City, if you have been there and want to join up. I want to get to 55 so I can get use my cool blue Ech-provided superhammerofDOOM :D

[Lesrider]

Yeah -- I'm an idiot. It requires General symbols. I need to read more carefully. Now I need to level to 58 to even have a shot at a General symbol assuming I can find it when someone else isn't camping the boss.

Yeah I'll prob wait on that till I'm 60 and have nothing better to do but stand and wait. Even then, I dunno how log I'd put up with that. 2 hr spawns are ridiculous.

[Doubletime]

I am at about 54.5 and running into quests requiring fighting multiple 58 mobs, so I may switch to grinding out a lvl or two tonight at the 54 elites not far from the Suspended City, if you have been there and want to join up. I want to get to 55 so I can get use my cool blue Ech-provided superhammerofDOOM :D

I haven't been there but im game. I can't log until.about 9 eastern. But ill look for you when I do.

[Lesrider]

I am at about 54.5 and running into quests requiring fighting multiple 58 mobs, so I may switch to grinding out a lvl or two tonight at the 54 elites not far from the Suspended City, if you have been there and want to join up. I want to get to 55 so I can get use my cool blue Ech-provided superhammerofDOOM :D

I might be in for some of that.
Ooh, what's the hammer called?

[Moogerfooger]

I might be in for some of that.
Ooh, what's the hammer called?

There are some really good exp/quest gears from the Suspended City quests, and only one of them was nasty. A two-man team could do them fairly easily.

Lvl 55 Earth Splitter (blue): 168-181 dmg, 3.2 speed, 54.5 DPS. +16 Str, +17 Agility and +17 attk power, +17 hit level.

You get a cool axe that has 49ish DPS from a quest, and a 47ish DPS orange sword, but I bought a polearm with huge damage but slow as dirt speed (think Gurgox Hammer of OC) for cheap and am using that, it has 47ish DPS but the big base damage and +40something attack power deals the occasional big hit. But I am itching to try that Earth Splitter.

In a group of two- or three 50+, the 54 elites would be doable for some good xp pretty easily. The 52 elite fishfolk (Wrestlers) are easier, but less xp.

[Lesrider]

Yeah I did some suspended city quests with Freja today. That big gargoyle dude killed me twice. And that graveyard is stupid far from the place. Long walk back each time. That gargoyle looks freaking' awesome, but he hurts like hell.

Hmm the Earthsplitter is a crafted foundry item -- doesn't Ech make leather? I'm confused.

[Echelong]

Yeah I did some suspended city quests with Freja today. That big gargoyle dude killed me twice. And that graveyard is stupid far from the place. Long walk back each time. That gargoyle looks freaking' awesome, but he hurts like hell.

Hmm the Earthsplitter is a crafted foundry item -- doesn't Ech make leather? I'm confused.

Yeah I craft leather not weapons though.

[Moogerfooger]

Yeah I did some suspended city quests with Freja today. That big gargoyle dude killed me twice. And that graveyard is stupid far from the place. Long walk back each time. That gargoyle looks freaking' awesome, but he hurts like hell.

Hmm the Earthsplitter is a crafted foundry item -- doesn't Ech make leather? I'm confused.

Yeah, his flying entourage got me a couple of times. There is a quest where you get a rune to disable his shield which makes him easier to kill a bit later. Just avoid him on the earlier quests, or that is what I did.

I don't know where Ech got it....I was just happy it just showed up in my mailbox (I owe ya Ech!)

[Lesrider]

Yeah, his flying entourage got me a couple of times. There is a quest where you get a rune to disable his shield which makes him easier to kill a bit later. Just avoid him on the earlier quests, or that is what I did.

I don't know where Ech got it....I was just happy it just showed up in my mailbox (I owe ya Ech!)

We had the potion, and Freja managed to use hers and kill him once. But I died during that battle (still counted towards the quest) and then I tried again after and ran like crazy when low on hp, but I just kept running into other mobs lol. I'm avoiding him now, as awesome as he looks.

[Lesrider]

Btw, anyone know where I can loot some master smithing recipes?

[MITSUISUN]

There are couple quests that require you to use/hotkey useable quest items in order to take mob down. If you are seeing you are hitting 0's on a mob, run away and regroup and check out the requirement/tips in quest.

Rift has some awesome fun quests that I am enjoying very much. Nice that I grinded from 49-52 and started questing and having a blast.

I have found 7 dailies so far, each gives from 15K-23K exp each.

@lv55 steady questing and exploring rift map; I am gonna do battle orc war and permafrost undead mage when I finalize my archer ranger and divine monk.

[Kabog]

We had the potion, and Freja managed to use hers and kill him once. But I died during that battle (still counted towards the quest) and then I tried again after and ran like crazy when low on hp, but I just kept running into other mobs lol. I'm avoiding him now, as awesome as he looks.

I did that quest twice lol, the first time I threw the potion after i finished the quest and i couldn't finish it.
I did it again and viola done deal.

You get that quest from that lil shack south of the first place at the rift.

I had to use the monk godly skill that you can't die for 15 seconds which is enough to kill him then you ran like crazy after that lol.

[Kabog]

Any divine monk lvl 50+?
If so how do you like it?
Does fire of faith have enough damage?
any advice would be great.

[Lesrider]

Any divine monk lvl 50+?
If so how do you like it?
Does fire of faith have enough damage?
any advice would be great.

Royce is a divine monk and swears by it. But he doesn't come here anymore. He's in our guild, but haven't seen him on in the last few days. You can always shoot him an email in-game ;)

[Kabog]

Yo what's his in game name?

True I forgot about the email lol.


Royce is a divine monk and swears by it. But he doesn't come here anymore. He's in our guild, but haven't seen him on in the last few days. You can always shoot him an email in-game ;)

[MITSUISUN]

Any divine monk lvl 50+?
If so how do you like it?
Does fire of faith have enough damage?
any advice would be great.

My divine monk is a healing focused monk, so when I repec for the first time, I actually skipped any damage spell point and focused on other skill build. I never soloed with monk since she is not atk/spell damage at all. I don’t see the point of it.

Monk is not my main so I been neglecting her. I am sure I have enough points to tap into divine tree damage spell – there’s only 2, but I don’t see a point in that, since my gears are healing+ focused, not spell + focused. So even if I use arrow of faith or fire of faith and spell book to rank them up, I could do more damage by meleeing and not waste cast time, save cast time for heals etc. One big divine light with critical chance, let your partner deal with damage go down to 50% hp and heal. Rinse and repeat.

I would say get fires of faith for sure, at rank 1 it does like 393 damage, don’t know how far it can go up and how damage increase, there’s a talent will of Zealot that increase your spell+, which can boost your damage output if you cast arrow/fire of faith a lot; and go like 6 points in military to maximize your buff. 50% additional effect my monk buffs like +45 str/agi/sta/wis. These are huge and if add a scroll buff to that, 30 mins of good times.

You will make a lot of friends if you are full divine healing monk with good buffs and people will appreciate you when you focus on heal/support, let damage dealer deal with damage.

Royce can tell you much more for divine monk. I am going to tool around with build, and see if I can still be healing focused divine monk and has military Phoenix AoE skill for damage output.

You really got to play it til you like it, and pick a path to be the type of monk you are. I say there are 2 paths for each of the talent tree, for all 8 talent tree. Really comes down to the type of gear you collect/focus and if you solo / group often.

I dont know enough about hybird monk and at least for now, I dont see the point. I like to go max or extream route, dabble both tree too much will make your toon jack of all trade but master at none.

[Lesrider]

Yo what's his in game name?

True I forgot about the email lol.

Royce :)

[Kabog]

thanks buddy!

I think you answered the things that i was wondering about.

Definitely going to make a hybrid gold farmer.


My divine monk is a healing focused monk, so when I repec for the first time, I actually skipped any damage spell point and focused on other skill build. I never soloed with monk since she is not atk/spell damage at all. I don’t see the point of it.

Monk is not my main so I been neglecting her. I am sure I have enough points to tap into divine tree damage spell – there’s only 2, but I don’t see a point in that, since my gears are healing+ focused, not spell + focused. So even if I use arrow of faith or fire of faith and spell book to rank them up, I could do more damage by meleeing and not waste cast time, save cast time for heals etc. One big divine light with critical chance, let your partner deal with damage go down to 50% hp and heal. Rinse and repeat.

I would say get fires of faith for sure, at rank 1 it does like 393 damage, don’t know how far it can go up and how damage increase, there’s a talent will of Zealot that increase your spell+, which can boost your damage output if you cast arrow/fire of faith a lot; and go like 6 points in military to maximize your buff. 50% additional effect my monk buffs like +45 str/agi/sta/wis. These are huge and if add a scroll buff to that, 30 mins of good times.

You will make a lot of friends if you are full divine healing monk with good buffs and people will appreciate you when you focus on heal/support, let damage dealer deal with damage.

Royce can tell you much more for divine monk. I am going to tool around with build, and see if I can still be healing focused divine monk and has military Phoenix AoE skill for damage output.

You really got to play it til you like it, and pick a path to be the type of monk you are. I say there are 2 paths for each of the talent tree, for all 8 talent tree. Really comes down to the type of gear you collect/focus and if you solo / group often.

I dont know enough about hybird monk and at least for now, I dont see the point. I like to go max or extream route, dabble both tree too much will make your toon jack of all trade but master at none.

[seller]

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[Lesrider]

Ok tell me I don't look awesome.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/5efeac57.jpg

Just need some nice spiky shoulders again. All the npcs have them, why can't I? :(

[Zojak]

that looks pimppppp!

[Ellyidol]

Nice one les!

Btw, finally managed to catch the spawn of the Elemental King in rift, my bro and I got the loot too, unfortunately no symbol. It was pretty quick, 5 seconds? I was just tapping the spot it'd respawn and tapping my skill. Lucky first hit and rest was history :)

[Lesrider]

Nice one les!

Btw, finally managed to catch the spawn of the Elemental King in rift, my bro and I got the loot too, unfortunately no symbol. It was pretty quick, 5 seconds? I was just tapping the spot it'd respawn and tapping my skill. Lucky first hit and rest was history :)

But how long were you waiting there? I'm not very good at getting first hit :(

[Ellyidol]

But how long were you waiting there? I'm not very good at getting first hit :(

Luckily a guildmate told us the exact time of previous death,
So we were literally in and out of the spawn point, respawn time seems to average at 2.5-3 hours.

And yeah, I am not a big fan of camping at all :( I'd rather have a fixed respawn time but anywhere in the map.

[Lesrider]

Luckily a guildmate told us the exact time of previous death,
So we were literally in and out of the spawn point, respawn time seems to average at 2.5-3 hours.

And yeah, I am not a big fan of camping at all :( I'd rather have a fixed respawn time but anywhere in the map.

Ugh I quickly gave up on the fish king after my initial accidental encounter with him. I doubt I'd have the patience to compete with everyone over one boss.
Just wish people sold some of the stuff they make with it -- I never see a single blue crafted piece in the AH for high lvl players.

[Ellyidol]

Ugh I quickly gave up on the fish king after my initial accidental encounter with him. I doubt I'd have the patience to compete with everyone over one boss.
Just wish people sold some of the stuff they make with it -- I never see a single blue crafted piece in the AH for high lvl players.

Most seem to epic it, which I don't understand why either. There's about one page of epic gear in AH last I checked.

The one I want to make using a captain symbol, Reinfofced Guardian Leather Coat, someone listed for 900 gold. Lol.

[Lesrider]

Most seem to epic it, which I don't understand why either. There's about one page of epic gear in AH last I checked.

The one I want to make using a captain symbol, Reinfofced Guardian Leather Coat, someone listed for 900 gold. Lol.

The captain symbols ones aren't even high lvl, right?
They made all the high lvl recipes use the same symbol that drops from only one boss and each recipe needs 3 :/

[Ellyidol]

The captain symbols ones aren't even high lvl, right?
They made all the high lvl recipes use the same symbol that drops from only one boss and each recipe needs 3 :/

Nope captains are from whispering elite, it's only an advanced recipe even, but I think it's the best one before master recipe stuff, which is almost impossible. Lol

[Formora]

So tempted.... But I will wait until at least next Friday when holidays start. I promise :p

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

My username: LIGHTNINGGOD

I just started :)

[lordwill0]

IGN: Defiled - lv 43 monk. Lightninglord, are the letters all capital? cause its case sensitive

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

IGN: Defiled - lv 43 monk. Lightninglord, are the letters all capital? cause its case sensitive

Yeah all capital

[shmoo]

For our warriors. :)

http://www.war-tools.com/t72477.html

The icons are still from WoW but if you look closely they skill tree seems good to plan your warrior skill tree. :)


Here is another more complete talent tree calculator. :banana:

http://orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

For our warriors. :)

http://www.war-tools.com/t72477.html

The icons are still from WoW but if you look closely they skill tree seems good to plan your warrior skill tree. :)


Here is another more complete talent tree calculator. :banana:

http://orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/

Omg thank you so much

[Zojak]

So i might not be around in OAC for a few days, going to try to push my enchantress to 56 on PL, i've been wanting to hit for ages, but im only 52 atm, PM me if you need a char promoted or anything :D ill make sure theres plenty of administrators to invite as needed too :)

[Moogerfooger]

Hit 60 on PaleRider last night! :D I tried to keep up with Mits, but couldn't do it. Prepping for a cross-country move and doing final social/friends rounds is more impt right now.

So I am playing my monk (Moogz) a little, only at lvl 11, what a totally different mindset from the warrior. I am going mostly military. If any monks have any siggestions, I'd appreciate it.

On that note, if anyone has cool metal/cloth armor for a monk up to about lvl 20, pls shoot it my way, I can send mats or pay for it :)

Hope everyone is well!

[Ellyidol]

Hit 60 on PaleRider last night! :D I tried to keep up with Mits, but couldn't do it. Prepping for a cross-country move and doing final social/friends rounds is more impt right now.

So I am playing my monk (Moogz) a little, only at lvl 11, what a totally different mindset from the warrior. I am going mostly military. If any monks have any siggestions, I'd appreciate it.

On that note, if anyone has cool metal/cloth armor for a monk up to about lvl 20, pls shoot it my way, I can send mats or pay for it :)

Hope everyone is well!

Congrats!!! :)

I have been very jealous of warrior farming at 60, machines really.

Good luck on the move too, hope you can get back to us soon :p

PS: Just a quick tips on military monks :

When levelling, I initially went for Polearm - the big weapon damage and the impression of being like a 2H warrior was appealing, but after consideration I feel like a Fist/Mace setup would work faster and better. Fist/mace gives more stats (since 2 weapons), better DPS - nothing is more annoying than waiting for that 2+ 2H weapon to attack a mob with almost 0 HP left to kill, and faster skill usage (Tiger Claw is really good in single target damaging).

A few advantages in polearm using is the crit, IMO. If you get that Mantis Cudgel upgrade of 5 sec daze and 1% crit each point (the crit only works if your using polearm), you can get quite good crit as a polearm monk. A polearm would work better for an AoE type too (I suggest spec-ing as one towards the grinding levels, 40-60).

Expect to eat too, a lot. That was one hurdle I constantly had to face as a military monk until 60, the mana. Depending on the mobs I would fight, I'd say an average of 4-5 mobs I'd have to sit and eat. It only got better towards the later levels when I could mob up and AoE them to maximise mana usage.

Also, the game seems to think that Str/Stam is the ideal military monk stats. I don't think it works well, str only adds damage and stam only adds HP. I would go for agi/wisdom while levelling and pure agi/crit when 60. Agi gives dodge and crit (good for levelling since mana is a problem, maximise each skill by crit. You also have that mana % gain per dodge/parry, so the more dodge the more mana gained), and wisdom gives more mana pool so when you do sit and eat, you get as much mana as you can :)

Uh kinda rambled there, hope it made sense :p Just a few of my observations on military monks.. Heh. Monk is full divine now after archer, useful for boosting people :)

[MITSUISUN]

Hit 60 on PaleRider last night! :D I tried to keep up with Mits, but couldn't do it. Prepping for a cross-country move and doing final social/friends rounds is more impt right now.

On that note, if anyone has cool metal/cloth armor for a monk up to about lvl 20, pls shoot it my way, I can send mats or pay for it :)

Hope everyone is well!

Grats Moog~

Hell, I tried to keep up with Elly and Ech and couldn’t do it as well :p Finally got both archer ranger and divine monk to 60 on Saturday and been having some just running around like a mad man.

Orc battle war and undead permafrost mage this week; might farm a little just for some gold to feed the new toons and check AH stuff, big busy work weeks to come til mid-June. So see you when you are back fully etc.

Anyone need some questing help and etc just let me know in guildchat or whisper.

Teena’s at master cloth, I am sure she can hook us up on crafted cloth lowbie items. I think mostly need geradine etc.

Ech’s divine monk is lv30 now and starting to craft, so I will start to send all cloth mats to him and get up crafting.

I ran my toons to first town in Arcadian forest last night. God I forgot how beautiful the environment looks and cant wait to be a lowbie again lol

[Echelong]

@Mits Well technically I couldn't keep up with you since you already have 2 60s.

Monk is 31 at the moment and I got him today to advance cloth crafter. Took me about 30+ gold to get it there but the first 2 levels are really hard to get the currency needed.

Not its all wool and exquisite armor scraps which I farm a lot. I am going to make mostly military stuff unless some divine monk needs me to buy a specific recipe but when I hit master level I will buy all of them.

Elly remember that str also gives armor 5 armor for each point of str. I am going for str and wisdom for farming and for pvp I am still thinking but I think str, stam and agl should be primary nto sure about this one though.

But I am able to kill players up to 2 levels above me without much problems no matter the class hehe.

[Moogerfooger]

Thanks for the tips guys. I may switch to divine later on, but for now, will play this a bit as a mainly military, and still farm a bit with the warrior. I have about ten recipes I picked up along the way, I am curious to go try a few out and see if they are better than the end game 55-60 armor. Then again, I am not a big fan of standing around for hours trying to camp recipes. I am only intermediate foundry anyway, it would take ages for me to get to crafting to where Les is.

[Lesrider]

Moog, grats on 60! I have t been really focused lately on getting my warrior to 60 for some reason.

As for crafting, the master recipes don't really seem worth the trouble right now, especially if you're not going to upgrade them to purples (which I won't). I hope an update will bring some better high-lvl recipes, but till then it just doesn't seem worth the time. When I get to 60 I may see if I can grab a couple of people to farm some general symbols (so we have a better chance at it), but truthfully I don't see myself farming a 2-hr spawn boss. You need 3 symbols PER recipe, and the boss doesn't even have 100% drop rate. Sounds awful. So till then, those blood ore recipes seem to be the best I can make, and we've all outgrown those as well.

[Moogerfooger]

Thx Les! Yeah, like Mits I ran out of quests other than the repeatables at lvl 58, so I just went to the beach, spent like 4 bucks on runes to get some xp pots, and ground out on bloodbeachbatz. I did get a Lava King Trident that I sold for dirt cheap to Asi, he was stoked. I bought that big a** green 58 sword, Starship Slayer or whatever, it is pimp.

One thing I noticed, and I don't know if my skills were just requiring more morale, but it seemed once I upgraded my spells to the last levels, I really struggled with morale to the point of annoyance sometimes. Oh well.

Yeah, Les, recipe camping sounds about as much fun as dragging my sensitive bits along a dull rusty razor blade :p Maybe we can party it up at some point.

Speaking of that guys (Elly, Les, Ech) can monks wear metal armor? If any of you guys have lowbie stuff, lemme know.

I added some of you on Moogz, and since I have one device, can't invite myself to guild, haha. I will try and ping you when on.

Thanks for the advanced monk tips, SmEllyIdol :D

[Lesrider]

Wow you looted one of those? When I get to a high enough lvl for it, I'll be asking for specifics ;)

I'm pretty sure monks can only wear cloth -- apparently their armor comes mostly from a passive skill they have. Royce would know more.

I'd like to get my archer past the orlande escort quest if any higher lvls feel like helping me. I had to do it three times on my warrior and want to just get it done quickly with my archer.

I'm finding Rift a bit too dark and too much walking for my tastes. Bc of this, I haven't felt like playing much. I kinda miss the open desert (as bland as it may have been) that let me just follow the arrow in a straight line without worry of mountains or lava.

[Moogerfooger]

Wow you looted one of those? When I get to a high enough lvl for it, I'll be asking for specifics ;)

I'm pretty sure monks can only wear cloth -- apparently their armor comes mostly from a passive skill they have. Royce would know more.

I'd like to get my archer past the orlande escort quest if any higher lvls feel like helping me. I had to do it three times on my warrior and want to just get it done quickly with my archer.

I'm finding Rift a bit too dark and too much walking for my tastes. Bc of this, I haven't felt like playing much. I kinda miss the open desert (as bland as it may have been) that let me just follow the arrow in a straight line without worry of mountains or lava.

I may be on for a bit tonight, I can pop by and try to help with the Orlande one. Yes, I got a LK Trident on a drop, I'll tell you where specifically later, although I am beginning to think the odds are random....all three "good" drops I got were unexpected.

I love Rift, but it IS dark, I wish the sky was lighter. It is difficult to see some of the mobs sometimes until they are rightonyououchiewhatwasthat? Those stupid nearly-black boars that charge/knockdown are the worst.

You do rack up quite a bit of gold doing the repeatables, I ended up just tele-ing between the four places as needed and still had a good chunk of gold. Although I started skipping the rabid bulette/rockheart dailies because they are not massive xp and require going into the PvP zone usually.

[Lesrider]

Omg I HATE those boars! You can't run through them bc they keep knocking you down.
Yeah, I'll likely start teleporting between towns once I have a better idea of what's where. I still don't really know my way around Rift.
So wish there was better lighting there. The mobs look cool, the lava looks cool, but the area is just so dark and depressing.

[Benaorn]

How many daily quests are in Rift? I think I only done 7 so far and each give about 15k and gold. 105k exp isn't bad at all. Anyone know the timer on the daily quests? I think I was able to do two daily quests in a few hours apart on the same day.

[Moogerfooger]

How many daily quests are in Rift? I think I only done 7 so far and each give about 15k and gold. 105k exp isn't bad at all. Anyone know the timer on the daily quests? I think I was able to do two daily quests in a few hours apart on the same day.

Yeah, I am not sure on the timer, sometimes it seemed I could do them twice in less than 24hrs. Plus I think each person has their own timer, I am not sure if it is like PL where the Dailies became available at the same time every day for everyone.

Not sure if you are counting them, but there are two near Bulrinto Outpost for the Black Beach (kill 8 mobs for one on the beach, kill the Black King for another) that are 17k and 23k respectively, and relatively easy as a solo 55+ warrior, or 51ish+ in a party. One is given in Bulrinto, the other by an orc sitting on the ground right outside the gate. Oh, and they pay like 7g collectively.

Some of the quests are 'daily' and some are repeatables, so I never figured out how many exactly there were....I just did 'em.

[Lesrider]

I just got killed bc of lag. Why are the cemeteries in rift so godd*** far from where you die????

[Echelong]

This time around I am doing all the quests I can I think I've only left a few including the ghost quest for the second trinket because its bugged.

After I got phoenix and roundhouse upgraded asi and me where clearing groups of 3-6 mobs with only using two spells each. That was some super fast grinding especially in highly populated areas where its easier to gather mobs. I have almost 1,300 armor which is almost the double of what my ranger has at 60.

To minimize downtime I am using mana pots every few fights if I have almost full health and only need mana if I am almost dead without mana then I stop and eat. Its expensive but a lot faster.

[Moogerfooger]

I just got killed bc of lag. Why are the cemeteries in rift so godd*** far from where you die????

Couple of them are way off, but some are pretty close by. There was one where I thought, WTH why did I get stuck way over here? You must have found that one lol.

[joeychandler]

This time around I am doing all the quests I can I think I've only left a few including the ghost quest for the second trinket because its bugged.

After I got phoenix and roundhouse upgraded asi and me where clearing groups of 3-6 mobs with only using two spells each. That was some super fast grinding especially in highly populated areas where its easier to gather mobs. I have almost 1,300 armor which is almost the double of what my ranger has at 60.

To minimize downtime I am using mana pots every few fights if I have almost full health and only need mana if I am almost dead without mana then I stop and eat. Its expensive but a lot faster.

From this I take it that there are only 2 trinkets and they are quest only quest items. I've never seen any in AH anyway.

Just tried buying food and eating between fights, and it turns out I was an idiot to let my mana regen do that job, should be on track with catching up to you guys.... (36 going on 37 now ^^)

I can send Moogz some cloth stuff too

[Ellyidol]

Yeah cloth only for monks, chunk of armour comes from that passive skill where you gain 5 armour for every 1 strength or agi you have :)

I'm starting to think drops are random too, especially if the mob is within the level range of the weapon. That larynx dagger and the proud sillar staff has dropped for me from the ghost mob area, 55 mobs - best place to farm gold btw.

For dailiessss, there's 3 in strangers, one in far outpost, and 2 in the bulrino outpost I think :) they definitely give you a huge chunk in XP, I even do the ones in desert when I was levelling, easy 30k xp.

No problem BoogerFooger ;)

[Benaorn]

You missed one more at Suspended City where you kill 6 elites right outside the city. Anyone having problem with target when using your skill. This is causing a problem for me in PVP. I was dueling with this guy and when I use one of my skill, I lost the target. I then used charge and instead of charging him, I charged a level 48 and killed him. I thought I won, but then got killed. I feel bad for the level 48.

[Lesrider]

Guys, I just killed the leader in Dompeii Ruins and got my new awesome axe. But I have no more story quests. They're all dailies. Where do I get the next quests?

[Ellyidol]

You missed one more at Suspended City where you kill 6 elites right outside the city. Anyone having problem with target when using your skill. This is causing a problem for me in PVP. I was dueling with this guy and when I use one of my skill, I lost the target. I then used charge and instead of charging him, I charged a level 48 and killed him. I thought I won, but then got killed. I feel bad for the level 48.

Ah yeah that one. :)

Yup targeting is still a flaw in both pve and pvp unfortunately. Hopefully a fix soon :)


Guys, I just killed the leader in Dompeii Ruins and got my new awesome axe. But I have no more story quests. They're all dailies. Where do I get the next quests?

What level are you? And where'd you get your last quests from?

If I remember correctly, the rift series went Strangers Root - Some small camp in the lavas - Suspended City - Fariders Outpost - Bulrigo Outpost - Umbra Rift. Then I found quests in Travelers Home just before I hit 60.

[Moogerfooger]

Guys, I just killed the leader in Dompeii Ruins and got my new awesome axe. But I have no more story quests. They're all dailies. Where do I get the next quests?

There are a few in the Monastery of Flame, and each of the Outposts (Farstrider and Bulrinto) have some, although some of the Bulrinto ones have you going up against 56-59 (some elite) mobs.

Umbra Rift has a few, but they also were higher end quests. And some are level-unlocked probably as well.

[Lesrider]

I'm only lvl 52, avoiding the dailies from the beginning on my own bc I don't like entering pvp area alone.

I can't find anymore in the suspended city, the Dompeii Ruins quests were partially from there and partially from a guy standing outside the ruins. So should I move on to another area or grind? As it is, the mobs here are lvl 54 and take a good chunk of hp off me -- especially since they all seem to come in groups now.

[BlazeMystic]

I teamed up with Asi yesterday and we went into the vega square area. I was appalling and kept getting killed, in fact I felt totally embarrassed at how awful I was - it was tough trying to keep up with a monk! My poor old mage kept running out of life and mana way too quickly. Not used to the frantic pvp area where you not only have other players trying to kill you but in addition tons of mobs and the good old level 60's hanging around the graveyards. It felt like everything had sped up because you fear that if you stop moving you will get targeted. I'm used to kiting and planning my attacks with my mage and not being constantly in the thick of it all. So my apologies Asi if you're reading this!

[Ellyidol]

I'm only lvl 52, avoiding the dailies from the beginning on my own bc I don't like entering pvp area alone.

I can't find anymore in the suspended city, the Dompeii Ruins quests were partially from there and partially from a guy standing outside the ruins. So should I move on to another area or grind? As it is, the mobs here are lvl 54 and take a good chunk of hp off me -- especially since they all seem to come in groups now.

Yeah sounds like you need some grinding. 52 sounds perfect for the elite fishfolk mobs by the beach in the north :)

I think at 53/54 some Suspended City quests should open up that will eventually lead you to the F-Outpost.


I teamed up with Asi yesterday and we went into the vega square area. I was appalling and kept getting killed, in fact I felt totally embarrassed at how awful I was - it was tough trying to keep up with a monk! My poor old mage kept running out of life and mana way too quickly. Not used to the frantic pvp area where you not only have other players trying to kill you but in addition tons of mobs and the good old level 60's hanging around the graveyards. It felt like everything had sped up because you fear that if you stop moving you will get targeted. I'm used to kiting and planning my attacks with my mage and not being constantly in the thick of it all. So my apologies Asi if you're reading this!

If you get spawn camped or picked on message me, if I'm not busy camping or farming I'm always eager to get PvP done, same with the guild. Not to mention if they're Eclipse :p

[BlazeMystic]

Thanks Ellyidol, I find the pvp areas stressful - kind of defeats the object of playing a game for pleasure really! I think I need to go to pvp school or something and sort out my phobia! lol.

[Lesrider]

Do I have to go through pvp to get back to the fishfolk? I forget bc I was always with someone else when I went there.

And Blaze, don't feel bad -- most of us hate those pvp areas. Even the obnoxious players who camp those areas for lower lvl players have admitted to hating it when they were lower lvl. Too bad they decided that instead of combatting that and taking down the gankers, they decided to add to the problem :/

[Ellyidol]

I think the route from Suspended City to the beach is pvp free Les, just the route from Strangers Root puts you in the mode for a bit, but enough to make you wait the 5 minutes.

[Moogerfooger]

Les, there is a way to get to the 52 fishfolk without getting a PvP tag via the Suspended City, if you tele there. (Oops got beat to it).

Anyway, I am getting busy pre-move but will try and be on a little tonight and can help if I can like Elly. I don't PvP much, but I can hold my own (right Elly? :D :D :D although you would prolly own me hard now), or at least tie them up for a little bit.

Blaze, I don't think we are friends in game, add PaleRider ;)

[BlazeMystic]

Thanks Les that's good to know, hopefully the devs will do something about it soon.

Mooger, I go by a different name on O&C - ColdShiver, so I believe I am on the friends list :)

[Moogerfooger]

Thanks Les that's good to know, hopefully the devs will do something about it soon.

Mooger, I go by a different name on O&C - ColdShiver, so I believe you are on the friends list :)

Aha, I was wondering who that was, lol. You ran right past me somewhere, maybe Silence or Bellshoal or soemwhere and I was like, errrwhodat? Observation fail on my part :rolleyes:

[BlazeMystic]

Aha, I was wondering who that was, lol. You ran right past me somewhere, maybe Silence or Bellshoal or soemwhere and I was like, errrwhodat? Observation fail on my part :rolleyes:

Haha, not a problem, you must have been thinking who was that lurker! ;)

[Lesrider]

Ugh I got TO the fishfolk pvp-free, but on the way back to town to mail stuff to my mule to sell, I got flagged. While I was at the mailbox, some jerk 60 attacked me. Same ol' same ol'.

[Moogerfooger]

Ugh I got TO the fishfolk pvp-free, but on the way back to town to mail stuff to my mule to sell, I got flagged. While I was at the mailbox, some jerk 60 attacked me. Same ol' same ol'.

Just go back to Suspended City and tele back...well worth the 50 silver which is chump change at that point to avoid such shenanigans :D

[Lesrider]

Problem is, I have no idea where the pvp zone starts and ends and how to avoid it. Wish the main road would be pvp-free, at the very least.

[Moogerfooger]

Yeah I have a rough idea of where it starts, but that is about it. I got tired of hassling with it, so I would do my runs to that beach from Suspended City and avoid all the potential silliness, and just tele back to Stranger's Roost if I needed to mail/stash (There are some scattered mail and stashes around, but that is the only with both, I think).

I do know it starts when you take the main road out of the first town heading west, then it bends due south...about halfway down that short (on the map) north/south stratch, it starts. However, it extends considerably to the east (lava lakes area, where the Rabid Bulettes, elder livingrock big clue things are), and the problem with that is it is difficult to navigate that lava lakes area, with being forced to go a certain direction, without inadvertently getting flagged.

If you go after the Bulette and Livingrock dailies, you're gonna get flagged, not to mention it is a pain getting in and out of there, compared to some others. I quit doing those two pretty quick...only like 8k each, and you can get that in ten-twenty minutes of grinding the 52 elite fishfolk, the 54 elite bandits at your lvl.

[Lesrider]

Ok guys, I just hit lvl 53 and have 2 points to use. I also want to plan out my last few points to 60. So any advice would be appreciated. I.e. Which skills you've used that I don't have that you either would recommend or tell me to avoid. I don't what to have to respec, as I've been pretty careful overall not to waste any points.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/9a250707.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/b81b97fd.jpg

Thanks!

[Ellyidol]

We should try again some time Moog, my spec works especially well against warriors :p

Les I think that AoE skill from the Battle tree does well, the circle of swords thing. My brother uses it and he seems to like it a lot. Lol

Btw, what's the ratio on that armour to charge/pounding damage at level 3? 3 damage to 100 armour?

[Lesrider]

We should try again some time Moog, my spec works especially well against warriors :p

Les I think that AoE skill from the Battle tree does well, the circle of swords thing. My brother uses it and he seems to like it a lot. Lol

Btw, what's the ratio on that armour to charge/pounding damage at level 3? 3 damage to 100 armour?

Does your bro use a 2h weapon? From the description, it seems Vortex blade might be better for dual wield bc it says it strikes with 100% dmg of both weapons. I think my other skills like swift strike and pounding glow do more than that.

And I think it's 1 extra dmg per 25 for charge and 33 for pounding glow, but I'll double check when I'm on next.

[Ellyidol]

Does your bro use a 2h weapon? From the description, it seems Vortex blade might be better for dual wield bc it says it strikes with 100% dmg of both weapons. I think my other skills like swift strike and pounding glow do more than that.

And I think it's 1 extra dmg per 25 for charge and 33 for pounding glow, but I'll double check when I'm on next.

Yup 2H for him. Still seems to do good damage I think, 200% on my monk pole arm wasn't that bad, so 100% shouldn't do as bad too I think, though dual weapons definitely did more.

And thanks :)

[Lesrider]

Did anyone notice this?

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa373/xenacrazy/5534d1ab.jpg

I love all the little details.

[Moogerfooger]

Yup. That's the Rift for you.

[Lesrider]

I just got my old vyx helm back :) there was a lvl 53 blue helm in the shop -- tons of it -- so I bought one for 7g and it ended up being the same design. I had the other horns before, but this one gives me almost 50 more armor. Not bad. Any idea why it's so cheap, tho?

[Ellyidol]

I just got my old vyx helm back :) there was a lvl 53 blue helm in the shop -- tons of it -- so I bought one for 7g and it ended up being the same design. I had the other horns before, but this one gives me almost 50 more armor. Not bad. Any idea why it's so cheap, tho?

Chests before the nerf :p I have 5 of those helms for plate, and another 5 of each for cloth/leather. It was almost as common as every other chest you open before, I even got 2 of the same helms in one chest.

I finally got my symbol!!! And I'm happy to say the 2 epic recipes from the npc for leather only need 1 and 2 general symbols.. But still. Lol

PS: Mits was asking for the Master Recipes from NPC that can go epic, and for anyone else interested:

Stealth Hunter Pants (Superior-Epic) 1 General Symbol needed.

133 - 180 Armour
18 - 23 Agi
14-25 Stam
30-36 Ranged Attack
18-26 Crit

Stealth Hunter Coat (Superior - Epic) 2 General Symbols

152-206 Armour
18-28 Agi
10-18 Stam
45-52 Ranged Attack Power
15-23 Crit

Crazy good, but crazy hard to get :(

[Benaorn]

Was there a forum rollback?

[Formora]

Yes, and this thread is unlocked again :)

[Lesrider]

Whoa... Weird.

[Slush]

This thread was locked? :l

[Lesrider]

This thread was locked? :l

Not by a dev.
Let's see if it stays open this time.

[CryoBlade]

Just got O&C :D My IGN is Cryogenic.
I'm pretty lost in this game so far...

[Lesrider]

Just got O&C :D My IGN is Cryogenic.
I'm pretty lost in this game so far...

Add me, Xanatos. Just message me when you see me on, bc adding a friend doesn't work the same as PL -- I don't get any notice that you added me.
I can help you out if you have any questions.

[DawnInfinity]

Redryder had locked this thread. Since the forums were rolled back, I guess the lock was nullified.

[Lesrider]

Redryder had locked this thread. Since the forums were rolled back, I guess the lock was nullified.

The devs told us we can have one thread to discuss O&C. So I don't think it should be up to Red to decide otherwise. If the devs have a problem with it, they should be the ones to say so and do something about it.

I said my piece, and now will see what happens.

[CryoBlade]

Add me, Xanatos. Just message me when you see me on, bc adding a friend doesn't work the same as PL -- I don't get any notice that you added me.
I can help you out if you have any questions.
I added you. I'm just having some trouble with quests now, don't know where to go.

[Lesrider]

I added you. I'm just having some trouble with quests now, don't know where to go.

I'm not in-game right now. But open your quest list and tick off the quest you want to do. A blue arrow will appear beneath your feet that will direct you to the right area :)

[CryoBlade]

Ohh, didn't notice that blue arrow. Was looking for arrows in the map the whole time, lol. Thanks!

[Lesrider]

Also, quests that are ready to be turned in to an npc will show a little open scroll icon on the map if you zoom in. Easier to figure out exactly where you need to go. Unfortunately, that's only the case when the objective is an npc.

[CryoBlade]

What's that orange bar above my level in the top right?

[Lesrider]

What's that orange bar above my level in the top right?

Are you a ranger? I believe that's your Vigor -- need it to use your skills.

[Zeus]

I believe Max wanted this thread locked as his last wish before he left PL, because it was insulting to SpaceTime Studios. We should respect that. :).

[Fatpigwarrior]

All these Ppl on the list are traytors :(


GGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[Ellyidol]

All these Ppl on the list are traders :(


GGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Yes, we do trade in O&C too.

Informing RR to lock again.

[razerfingers]

hwo did this get unlocked?? lol

[Formora]

Why should this thread be locked? I don't get it, the devs already said it was fine to discuss about O&C in Off-Topic, just keep it to one thread. Also, I'm curious as to why the thread starter even created this thread, and let it go on for over 200 hundred pages if he thought it was disrespectful. :confused: I am aware that this started out as a list of PLers playing O&C, but trust me 90% of it was game talk.

Anyways, if any of you are just starting out feel free to add Cyclone, or Signos if you need help.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Pvplegend - TheSavior

Lightninglord67 - LIGHTNINGGOD (Yes, they're all caps)

[Samhayne]

Reopened thread.

We don't mind people who have been avid Pocket Legends players discussing their O&C activities here on our forums, as long as they keep it to a minimum of threads.

[Formora]

Haha this is pretty funny. Thanks Samhayne! Some people just don't know how to handle power.

[shmoo]

So many helpful posts lost.. like discussion about mage talent trees! XD

[Beanmachine]

Sam you totally condradicted Reds intentionxD

[markus]

That's one thing I started to dislike about sts is favoritism towards players. Seems like power/control freaks imo....... I will stop posting though cause I havnt played pl since around gcd update. Imo gcd killed pl for me. Just wasn't the same.

[Formora]

So many helpful posts lost.. like discussion about mage talent trees! XD

You can start again.. By helping me with my frost build!

[Doubletime]

You can start again.. By helping me with my frost build!

Formora,

My I am leveling a frost mage now and am at level 23. So far, I have only put points into shockwave since fireball is the first spell you have. It works pretty well with those two as offensive spells. I have put the other points into frostblast, frost bolt, energy shield, and rock piercing including buffing up those skills. Attacking from a distance with frost bolt to slow, following with rock piercing and fireball usually has the mobs so weak by the time they are close I can finish them with a quick shockwave or frost blast. It is working pretty well.

[Lesrider]

Ugh when do monks become fun to play? I can't do anything without guzzling pots like an alcoholic.

[Zeus]

Ugh when do monks become fun to play? I can't do anything without guzzling pots like an alcoholic.

Idk, should I restart as a bear? I'm up to level 11 as a monk. It's so slow leveling him.

[Lesrider]

Idk, should I restart as a bear? I'm up to level 11 as a monk. It's so slow leveling him.

A bear? There are no bears in this game ;)
If you mean warrior, then yes, they're much easier to play, IMO, than a monk. My monk is lvl 11 now and I'm getting frustrated with either having to guzzle pots or wait forever for my mana to replenish. I'll probably give it some more time, but we'll see.

[Zeus]

A bear? There are no bears in this game ;)
If you mean warrior, then yes, they're much easier to play, IMO, than a monk. My monk is lvl 11 now and I'm getting frustrated with either having to guzzle pots or wait forever for my mana to replenish. I'll probably give it some more time, but we'll see.

How long do you reckon it will take to level a warrior to my current level (11)?

[Lesrider]

How long do you reckon it will take to level a warrior to my current level (11)?

Really quick. They do massive damage and have self-healing. You don't have to rest constantly like with these darn monks.

[Zeus]

Really quick. They do massive damage and have self-healing. You don't have to rest constantly like with these darn monks.

Self healing? How does that work? And is that why it's taken me so darn long just to get to level 11?

[Lesrider]

Self healing? How does that work? And is that why it's taken me so darn long just to get to level 11?

Courage heals you. It has a long cooldown so you can't spam it like a monk can spam healing. But the upside is that you use morale instead of mana. You build morale by taking damage off the mobs with auto attacks. So if you're low on morale, you simply autoattack for a bit to build it up. I rarely ever use food/pots on my warrior. The only time I do is if I'm teamed with someone else and don't want to slow them down at all. But if I solo, I'll break for a few secs if I need rather than eating/potting.

[FluffNStuff]

You guys are around 11? Add HunnySnipet we can team. Was hating the game cause it couldnt find a team.

[Zeus]

You guys are around 11? Add HunnySnipet we can team. Was hating the game cause it couldnt find a team.

Ok, sounds good. I'm going to remake my monk into a bear. Dunno if I should keep him and make my bear character, Venetian or delete herculean (monk) and rename him as a bear.

[Lesrider]

Lol they're not bears ;)

Btw, monks and archers make a surprisingly good team bc of arrow of faith. Still running out of mana way too fast tho :/

Will have to see whether I want to go back to my lvl 25 archer or stick with the monk for a while.

[shmoo]

You can start again.. By helping me with my frost build!

EDIT: Here (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131203501103051013000 0) is the level 38 version
This (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131203501103051013351 1) is what I think should be the minimum you should have at level 48. Only put points in Shockwave AFTER you have gotten Stone Armor, unless you prefer running around back and forth on groups of mobs (2-3). I would advise to put it after you have gotten permafrost as well but it is up to you.

My AoE rotation with that build is to (with energy shield up), pop (activate) Stone Armor, gather mobs (4-6), drop Permafrost, Shockwave, Frost blast, run outside the permafrost area of effect. From here on out you can choose to do another Shockwave to kill of anything the doesn't die out from the Permafrost, or if you are above level 48 and have Ice Meteor, you can use that to finish them off. Keep in mind that using Shockwave often is very mana consuming hence I would think that gather 4-6 or even 8 mobs at once is an efficient number if you keep doing this rotation.

My Single target rotation is Frost Bolt -> Fireball -> Frost Bolt -> Rock Spine -> If still alive, Fireball / Frost Bolt depending on HP.


If I want to be a bit flashy, Frost Bolt -> Water Prison -> Frost Bolt -> Fireball -> Rock Spine.


Based on my recent Fire tree experience, fire seems to be tuned vs single target, wheres frost seems to be for AoE. With fire, I open with Frost Bolt -> Fireball -> Rock Spine -> Cyclone (full talented with 100% crit vs mobs which are burning). Mob dead. Works with those elite level 58 bloodsuckers.. XD

[chrononh]

I gave up on my monk at level 4. My Mage I got to level 10 quickly, then remade him in my main account because I decided to keep him and deleted the monk. Warrior and archer are the fastest to level up, IMO. I got Cleave early on my warrior, and I was never afraid to go toe to toe with a mob of two or three even at lower levels. Archer is squishier, but it's great one on one. Not so much fun when mobs respawn where you stand, though.

[Zojak]

When i do actually play haha, i have a BLAST on my military monk, i don't use arrow much, mostly just my melee attacks, and i shred mobs very quickly, i'm only at level 18, (due to school and PL:D ) and i still don't play a lot right now, but soon ill be more active IG, and be working to rebuild my guild :)

[shmoo]

I went and made a test hybrid mili-divine monk build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=035015051151003000100051305100501013000000 0). What I am thinking is that it will be divine levelling and mage gear until I get Divine Breath, afterwards as I shift to military, gear choice will shift to Polearms + str + wisdom gear.

Might be a strange build.. XD

[Formora]

Formora,

My I am leveling a frost mage now and am at level 23. So far, I have only put points into shockwave since fireball is the first spell you have. It works pretty well with those two as offensive spells. I have put the other points into frostblast, frost bolt, energy shield, and rock piercing including buffing up those skills. Attacking from a distance with frost bolt to slow, following with rock piercing and fireball usually has the mobs so weak by the time they are close I can finish them with a quick shockwave or frost blast. It is working pretty well.

That is pretty much my build as well, all frost mages should be aiming for it. I'd prefer to use rock pierce instead of shockwave/frost blast though, because those are a waste of mp against single targets and rock pierce has no cast time so you can cast while on the move.


Ugh when do monks become fun to play? I can't do anything without guzzling pots like an alcoholic.

I believe it isn't as bad in the later levels? Can't speak for myself though as my military monk is only level 24 when I abandoned him. I guess that's why most opted for the divine/military hybrid? I don't think you should give up on him so early. I did that with my mage and missed out on so much.


EDIT: Here (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131203501103051013000 0) is the level 38 version
This (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131203501103051013351 1) is what I think should be the minimum you should have at level 48. Only put points in Shockwave AFTER you have gotten Stone Armor, unless you prefer running around back and forth on groups of mobs (2-3). I would advise to put it after you have gotten permafrost as well but it is up to you.

My AoE rotation with that build is to (with energy shield up), pop (activate) Stone Armor, gather mobs (4-6), drop Permafrost, Shockwave, Frost blast, run outside the permafrost area of effect. From here on out you can choose to do another Shockwave to kill of anything the doesn't die out from the Permafrost, or if you are above level 48 and have Ice Meteor, you can use that to finish them off. Keep in mind that using Shockwave often is very mana consuming hence I would think that gather 4-6 or even 8 mobs at once is an efficient number if you keep doing this rotation.

My Single target rotation is Frost Bolt -> Fireball -> Frost Bolt -> Rock Spine -> If still alive, Fireball / Frost Bolt depending on HP.


If I want to be a bit flashy, Frost Bolt -> Water Prison -> Frost Bolt -> Fireball -> Rock Spine.


Based on my recent Fire tree experience, fire seems to be tuned vs single target, wheres frost seems to be for AoE. With fire, I open with Frost Bolt -> Fireball -> Rock Spine -> Cyclone (full talented with 100% crit vs mobs which are burning). Mob dead. Works with those elite level 58 bloodsuckers.. XD

I agree with your build for the most part, but here (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=100000000000000000000331003501103051410011 0) is mine. Changed a few things around.

This (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131513501103351513351 1) will be my build by the time I reach 60. What do you think? I don't really have anything else to spend on. Not sure if I will respec to a build with more skyfire, as permafrost aoe-ing is the thing that really drew me to mages.

I will remember that aoe combo, only like 9 more levels to go :p

[razerfingers]

how can people play this game i dont get it it costs money to buy the app then money to have a membership wow...not gonna purchase anytime soon or at all maybe just too expensive im gonna stick to pl its something thats great and i can afford it haha

[shmoo]

This build you posted (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131513501103351513351 1) was my build when I hit 60.

When I got enough crit gear. I switched to Skyfire-Permafrost Hybrid.
When I get the money to respec, I plan to switch to this Fire Barrage build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015131005153031100131203501103001000000 0) and swap out my Lightning Bolt. I found out a new AoE combo today (Shockwave -> Frost Blast -> Run away 10m, face slowed/frozen mobs, Flame Storm) and did not find much use for Lightning Bolt now.

You can swap out Stone Armor too for Elemental Finishing, but I personally would want to get Elemental Finishing only if I have Flaming Mind maxed out (chance-based, makes your next spell instant cast when you crit).

And then when dungeons come out, you can swap Flaming Spirit for Elemental Mastery and / or Improved Fireball since you will be with a monk who will divine breath you when you oom (or preferably before you oom).

This is my current build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015510310153031101131203501103000000000 0) and I think I made a lot of wrong choices. :p

[shmoo]

how can people play this game i dont get it it costs money to buy the app then money to have a membership wow...not gonna purchase anytime soon or at all maybe just too expensive im gonna stick to pl its something thats great and i can afford it haha

If you have ever wanted to play World of Warcraft and could not afford their subscription fee, O&C is the cheaper alternative and is on a device that you jailbreak so you can play on the go (when in a subway, waiting for the bus, in plane [well not in a plane lol]).

To me its like a cheaper, less hardcore World of Warcraft suited to my current lifestyle.
Raiding in WoW took a lot of time, so naturally in O&C you won't have raids that last for more than 8 hours... I am looking forward to what Gameloft has in store within the next 3 months. :banana:

[Ellyidol]

how can people play this game i dont get it it costs money to buy the app then money to have a membership wow...not gonna purchase anytime soon or at all maybe just too expensive im gonna stick to pl its something thats great and i can afford it haha

The subscription is only AU$4 for 6 months, that's less than $1 per month. It cost me $9 to buy the app, so for 9 months (first 3 months free + 6 month subscription + price of app) I only pay $13. If you can't come up with $13 in 9 months yet have an iDevice/Android, then something doesn't add up..

[Formora]

This build you posted (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=103000000000000000000131513501103351513351 1) was my build when I hit 60.

When I got enough crit gear. I switched to Skyfire-Permafrost Hybrid.
When I get the money to respec, I plan to switch to this Fire Barrage build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015131005153031100131203501103001000000 0) and swap out my Lightning Bolt. I found out a new AoE combo today (Shockwave -> Frost Blast -> Run away 10m, face slowed/frozen mobs, Flame Storm) and did not find much use for Lightning Bolt now.

You can swap out Stone Armor too for Elemental Finishing, but I personally would want to get Elemental Finishing only if I have Flaming Mind maxed out (chance-based, makes your next spell instant cast when you crit).

And then when dungeons come out, you can swap Flaming Spirit for Elemental Mastery and / or Improved Fireball since you will be with a monk who will divine breath you when you oom (or preferably before you oom).

This is my current build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015510310153031101131203501103000000000 0) and I think I made a lot of wrong choices. :p

Great minds think alike :D

I remember reading some bug about fire barrage. Like it can only hit those at the edge of the skill area. I'm not really paying much attention to skyfire now since I'm leveling. May check it out afterwards. Right now it just seems like a waste of mana :p

[shmoo]

Great minds think alike :D

I remember reading some bug about fire barrage. Like it can only hit those at the edge of the skill area. I'm not really paying much attention to skyfire now since I'm leveling. May check it out afterwards. Right now it just seems like a waste of mana :p

Yey! :banana: more bugs!

If thats the case then I might go with this build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015510000153231121131203501103000000000 0). At least I have 10% chance on spell crit to get an instant Elemental Finishing in... and also support my team better with longer Windwalker.. XD

[Lesrider]

Ugh I had to use points on stupid stuff like 1% more hp just so I could get to the better military monk skills :/. Was a lot easier not to waste points on my warrior.

[Formora]

Yey! :banana: more bugs!

If thats the case then I might go with this build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Mage/index.html?class=Mage&talents=113015510000153231121131203501103000000000 0). At least I have 10% chance on spell crit to get an instant Elemental Finishing in... and also support my team better with longer Windwalker.. XD

Lol at your edit reason. :banana:!

Not sure, I haven't even studied the skyfire tree properly lol. The actives look awesome though, and I'm jealous about windwalker.

[Formora]

Ugh I had to use points on stupid stuff like 1% more hp just so I could get to the better military monk skills :/. Was a lot easier not to waste points on my warrior.

I wouldn't really consider it a waste, if I had extra points I would invest in those passives.

[Lesrider]

I wouldn't really consider it a waste, if I had extra points I would invest in those passives.

1% hp just seems like such a small gain. I would much rather have more or faster-regen mp right now than slightly more hp :/

[Formora]

1% hp just seems like such a small gain. I would much rather have more or faster-regen mp right now than slightly more hp :/

Oh, so you only need 1 point to unlock the next tier? That sucks but it's not like you have a choice anyway lol. And you get that mana every dodge/parry skill later on, not sure what level that's at. Military monks can't have everything. They have awesome skills and can heal as well, so it's balanced out by their mana.

[Lesrider]

No, I actually needed to use 3, so I I have 5%. Which means, about 35 extra hp. Not worth three skill points AT ALL. Seems like a complete waste of a skill and I think I'm gonna go respec before it costs me more.

Should have put it into Blessing of Battle (I think that's the name), even though it didn't seem all that amazing either.

[Ellyidol]

No, I actually needed to use 3, so I I have 5%. Which means, about 35 extra hp. Not worth three skill points AT ALL. Seems like a complete waste of a skill and I think I'm gonna go respec before it costs me more.

Should have put it into Blessing of Battle (I think that's the name), even though it didn't seem all that amazing either.

Why did you need the extra HP skill Les? If I remember mine right, I didn't need to invest in the HP/Mana talent points.

[Formora]

No, I actually needed to use 3, so I I have 5%. Which means, about 35 extra hp. Not worth three skill points AT ALL. Seems like a complete waste of a skill and I think I'm gonna go respec before it costs me more.

Should have put it into Blessing of Battle (I think that's the name), even though it didn't seem all that amazing either.

I am guessing that this (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=000000000000000000000050010100000000000000 0) is your current build. Am I right?

Definitely get Blessing of Battle, and max Improved Blessing too (when you're higher level). Once you upgrade it with skill books it will be worth it.

[j46g629h]

how can people play this game i dont get it it costs money to buy the app then money to have a membership wow...not gonna purchase anytime soon or at all maybe just too expensive im gonna stick to pl its something thats great and i can afford it haha

If you play PL for a year, it will definitely cost more than O&C, unless you pay money for exp pot or in-game gold which is optional :)

[Lesrider]

I am guessing that this (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=000000000000000000000050010100000000000000 0) is your current build. Am I right?

Definitely get Blessing of Battle, and max Improved Blessing too (when you're higher level). Once you upgrade it with skill books it will be worth it.

Well, yeah plus Body Chasten. I made a big booboo and will correct it soon. Definitely will not buy any more skillbooks until I do.

[Lesrider]

Is my last post ^^^ showing up to anyone besides me? Bc it didn't bump the thread :/

[Formora]

I see it. Well you don't need any points in that skill to unlock the next tier. Just invest in the blessing and its upgrade.

[Lesrider]

I see it. Well you don't need any points in that skill to unlock the next tier. Just invest in the blessing and its upgrade.

Yeah that's what I'll do. Bit I'm wIing. Abot before I respec. Wanna do some research in case I might want to go divine. I'm finding my military attacks to be prett weak compared to arrow of faith even hough I'm using str gear. It also sucks being a healer and never having enough mana to heal ppl :/

[razerfingers]

If you play PL for a year, it will definitely cost more than O&C, unless you pay money for exp pot or in-game gold which is optional :)
i only plan on playing for another 2 weeks or if i get so ething else to play on then ill be on pl longer just possibly not as much

[shmoo]

For those who have recently joined, here is a link (http://onlinegames-forum.gameloft.com/index.php?topic=10978.0) to a Talent Calculator. Its still pretty new but very useful even if the images of certain skills are not all there. I hope you can use it to plan ahead you talent trees. :)

[Moogerfooger]

I went and made a test hybrid mili-divine monk build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=035015051151003000100051305100501013000000 0). What I am thinking is that it will be divine levelling and mage gear until I get Divine Breath, afterwards as I shift to military, gear choice will shift to Polearms + str + wisdom gear.

Might be a strange build.. XD

See I am doing pretty much the opposite. Going almost all military except a few in Divine, currently 32. About to start boosting some of the Divine skills. Using Str and Wisdom gear mix, with polearm. Doing fairly well so far. The first 15ish levels sucked, but having Dragon Kick and Phoenix unlocked, as well as tiger claw, which although is fist-based, still gives decent damage with a Polearm. Not warrior-type damage, but doing aight.

[Moogerfooger]

Yeah that's what I'll do. Bit I'm wIing. Abot before I respec. Wanna do some research in case I might want to go divine. I'm finding my military attacks to be prett weak compared to arrow of faith even hough I'm using str gear. It also sucks being a healer and never having enough mana to heal ppl :/

I am pretty sure I have a pacifier somewhere. If I can do, you can....you have more than 4 functioning brain cells like me :D Just always carry a lot of food and mana pots. Sucks, but it is fairly beast. Like warrior light with healing and buffing abilities.

[joeychandler]

I am pretty sure I have a pacifier somewhere. If I can do, you can....you have more than 4 functioning brain cells like me :D Just always carry a lot of food and mana pots. Sucks, but it is fairly beast. Like warrior light with healing and buffing abilities.

I dunno... My monk seems pathetic in comparison with my warrior. Monks can heal, sure, but lack of dps and decent armour gear. I feel like if anything is underpowered (until dungeons come out), it's monks.

Made a twink :D

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/joeych1andler/075c4f4b.jpg

[Lesrider]

Lol you're Someblackman? I passed by you at some point, didn't know it was you.

And I'm giving monk a chance, but I can see already that it'll take a few respecs before I figure out what I want from him. Warrior was very clearcut. The only skillpoint I feel may have been wasted so far is thundershout bc I never ever use it. I look at divine monk tree and all I can think is "why the he'll does anyone need so many d*** healing spells?" Divine monks, if I counted right, have exactly one attack besides arrow of faith. How are people swearing by them?

[lordwill0]

Do you guys feel assassins are like super OP? Hit, stun, run... Hit, stun, run.... Anyways lvl 56 hybrid monk atm, strongly towards divine(enough points for prayer of pure faith). IGN: Defiled. And yeah, divine monks cannot pvp. or i suck at it. but in pve, they are a boss :)

[lordwill0]

And les, most divines are not pure divine, they put enough points in for either tiger strike + the dragon tail kick or mantis cudgel + dragon kick.

[Lesrider]

And les, most divines are not pure divine, they put enough points in for either tiger strike + the dragon tail kick or mantis cudgel + dragon kick.

But then what gear do they use? Military needs str/agi but divine needs wisdom. So seems like everything would be weaker using a hybrid.

[lordwill0]

i go all str/agi and lure with fire of faith then spam tiger claw. i have like 23% crit, so im usually hitting 1.5k total with crits, and 700 w/o. wisdom on the other hand increases mana and spell crit. With divine breath, i never worry bout mana. The only loss is the slightly lower spell crit, which im willing to sacrafice. When im on a team, i have gear with healing power+ so i just switch out and heal instead.

[Zeus]

i go all str/agi and lure with fire of faith then spam tiger claw. i have like 23% crit, so im usually hitting 1.5k total with crits, and 700 w/o. wisdom on the other hand increases mana and spell crit. With divine breath, i never worry bout mana. The only loss is the slightly lower spell crit, which im willing to sacrafice. When im on a team, i have gear with healing power+ so i just switch out and heal instead.

So should I stick with my monk and make it military monk?

[Thasaint]

add me on O and C. Just got it yesterday, IGN: RampageRush

[lordwill0]

@rangepwnsmeel, yes i would stay milit at lower lvls. its really hard to do anything as divine at low lvls, cause ur weak, and u run outa mana fast.
Heres a broad description of classes IMO, choose what you like from the descriptions:
Warrior - super tank, or high Dps, pretty good to start off. Have up to 8k-9k armor endgame. Pretty easy class to play, high survivability
Ranger/assassin - kinda squishy at first(dies alot) but better end game. At high lvls, they hit, run, and stun, making them almost impossible to kill. really good at pvp
Mage - can either be fire or frost. Fire goes for more dps, frost is more tactical/aoe. Really good for farming if theres a monk with you to heal. also good at pvp
Monk - military or divine. military is more offensive, high hits, have mob killing skills. The last skill, deities infused, is really good because ur invincible for 15 seconds, letting you do as you will. Very effective for taking out bosses. the one and only problem is mana.
Divine on the other hand lets you heal limitlessly after lvl 35, with the skill divine breath. this restores your mana so u can continously heal. prayer of pure faith is also good for teams. At low lvls, i recommend military, and switching to divine/milit after lvl 40.

[Lesrider]

Lordwill, what's your ign?

[Zeus]

@rangepwnsmeel, yes i would stay milit at lower lvls. its really hard to do anything as divine at low lvls, cause ur weak, and u run outa mana fast.
Heres a broad description of classes IMO, choose what you like from the descriptions:
Warrior - super tank, or high Dps, pretty good to start off. Have up to 8k-9k armor endgame. Pretty easy class to play, high survivability
Ranger/assassin - kinda squishy at first(dies alot) but better end game. At high lvls, they hit, run, and stun, making them almost impossible to kill. really good at pvp
Mage - can either be fire or frost. Fire goes for more dps, frost is more tactical/aoe. Really good for farming if theres a monk with you to heal. also good at pvp
Monk - military or divine. military is more offensive, high hits, have mob killing skills. The last skill, deities infused, is really good because ur invincible for 15 seconds, letting you do as you will. Very effective for taking out bosses. the one and only problem is mana.
Divine on the other hand lets you heal limitlessly after lvl 35, with the skill divine breath. this restores your mana so u can continously heal. prayer of pure faith is also good for teams. At low lvls, i recommend military, and switching to divine/milit after lvl 40.

Yeah, I'm currently a level 11 divine monk. That really helped! I'll make the switch as soon as I manage to get 10 gold... I don't even have one piece yet. Lmao. I was wondering why it was so slow leveling. Then again, I was leveling solo, basically.

[Benaorn]

Les, try the build below. You can switch between polearm and fist weapon. For some levels you will have mana problem before you get Lion King Strike. Try to get Lion King Strike ASAP and try to use less dragon kick (rank 2 on single target). Dragon kick uses alot of mana. Use tiger claw and lion king strike on single target. For aoe, I would use dragon kick, phoenix, mantis, then dragon kick.

Monk Build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005014041030000000000051015150201013053301 1)

[lordwill0]

@Les IGN: Defiled

[lordwill0]

Oh and Range, add me in game if you are having trouble lvling. It really shouldnt be taking too long if you are doing quests. If you run out, feel free to explore around and stuff. I have a friend who got from lvl 1 to 38 in a day, although he knew what he was doing :p

[Lesrider]

Les, try the build below. You can switch between polearm and fist weapon. For some levels you will have mana problem before you get Lion King Strike. Try to get Lion King Strike ASAP and try to use less dragon kick (rank 2 on single target). Dragon kick uses alot of mana. Use tiger claw and lion king strike on single target. For aoe, I would use dragon kick, phoenix, mantis, then dragon kick.

Monk Build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005014041030000000000051015150201013053301 1)

Thanks Ben, will try that after I respec.

Defiled... Sounds vaguely familiar, but don't think I've seen you in-game?

[lordwill0]

Idk, i'm on quite a bit, is your ign lesrider as well?

[Lesrider]

Idk, i'm on quite a bit, is your ign lesrider as well?

Yeah but I was playing as Xanatos till I hit 60. Now back to working on my monk and archer (abandoned my archer at 25 for my warrior).

[Moogerfooger]

But then what gear do they use? Military needs str/agi but divine needs wisdom. So seems like everything would be weaker using a hybrid.

I already answered this in game :\ wear a mix and match of str gear and wisdom gear. Like I already said but you ignored, I am at 33 and doing fine, other than when I am stupid and get mobbed by 4 equal lvl mobs.

[shmoo]

So I went and revamped my build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005000000000000000000051015110501013000000 0), this is for level 33, my monk is currently level 7 :p.

Planning to get all the AoE skills from military tree then divine breathe on divine tree.

Here (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005000000000000000000051015110501013000000 0) is what it will look like at level 59. My chief gear priority will be the "Magma" type (str-wis) and using polearm. Probably will put the last talent point in one of those healing spells (still undecided if its the AoE healing or the big crit heals).

[Moogerfooger]

So I went and revamped my build (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005000000000000000000051015110501013000000 0), this is for level 33, my monk is currently level 7 :p.

Planning to get all the AoE skills from military tree then divine breathe on divine tree.

Here (http://www.orderandchaos.butt3rs.com/Monk/index.html?class=Monk&talents=005000000000000000000051015110501013000000 0) is what it will look like at level 59. My chief gear priority will be the "Magma" type (str-wis) and using polearm. Probably will put the last talent point in one of those healing spells (still undecided if its the AoE healing or the big crit heals).

Haha...that is almost identical to my current build at lvl 33....one point is different :D

There are some wisdom only options for quest gear, one of the lvl 33 helms is 17 wisdom....really helps. I have one Magma pieces but most are pure wisdom or pure Str. I think I have Str shoulders, gloves and pants, rest is wisdom.

[Formora]

Sigh, there are some people at swamps who try to gank me. This 45+ warrior just tried to (couldn't see his level, but he was using the 46 blue polearm). Man he does not know how to use one at all. Had plenty of chances to charge me and I'd be dead but he just ran after me.

Some mages and monks at my level as well, but the mages do not seem to have water prison or just don't know how to use it. Btw, if I silence a monk can he still heal? Would be so awesome if they can't.

Basically I have gotten ganked by about 5 people, I ran away from the high levels and killed most of the rest.

[Moogerfooger]

Re: ^^ post...

So I hopped on PaleRider and "cheerfully strolled alongside Formora, talking about the weather" as he did one of the Olande quests, and right before you go in the cave lo and behold there is a lvl 50 warrior (with aforementioned trident ^^^) nonchalantly strolling around...doing....we know what he was doing (lurking and waiting for lowbies). Seeing as I just got hardcore ganked doing my Vega Square quests repeatedly yesterday, I was in a lovely mood when it comes to gankers. So he sees the group coming, and I purposely go stand between Formora and the others escorting Olande. He sits there. I (accidentally, teehee) let off a Sonic Slash at him. He charges me at the exact same instant I charge. Knock each other down. We get up, I ankle slash him back down, a few button whacks from both of us later and poof Pounding Glow 2k crit. I almost felt bad because I hit first, but then I remembered, there is no good reason for a solo 50 to be there, in the Swamps, near a PvP quest area....oh, and his guild was one guilty of some of my ganks in Vega earlier in the day.

Chumps. Still a lot of ganking going on out there.

[Formora]

Nice story telling :p Yeah, Moog to the rescue!

High levels shouldn't even be able to attack lower levels. Anyways I finished that quest, and now I am at level 24 where there are no more quests available and I have to grind. Oh well.

[Moogerfooger]

Yeah I got stuck at 24 as well. What I did was go to Wyrgast Library via Tele, and right next to the tele in Wyrgast is a beach with 24ish fishfolk mobs. I dropped a few bucks for some runes > xp pots and ground to 26 there. Some of the Wyrgast quests unlock at 25 or 26, I'm not sure which because I didn't check until I hit 26. Those will take you to about 27, then the Port Verecy quests and the orc camp just east of it will take you to almost 30.

[Lesrider]

Yeah, Freja helped my archer out with Olande, and I did a lot of running around bc players kept attacking me. Got it done, then waiting for the timer to wear off back in town, someone attacks me with 5 secs left. I ran and managed to escape (I'm a chicken and I'm not afraid to admit it! :p). It's tough in places like that cave to even tell who's TRYING to attack you and who's just doing it by accident. People join the quest even when they weren't able to GET the quest, so there ends up being a whole jumble of red names in there.

[Lesrider]

The fishfolk are lvl 26, but yeah, that's what I'm doing with my archer till I feel safe enough to attempt the dragontooth quest. Feel free to grind with me, Formora.

[FluffNStuff]

What happens if you are attacked? What do you lose, or is it just annoying?

[FluffNStuff]

Btw leveling a pure assasin cause i was going insane trying to get a team and assasin seems designed to solo. Only archer skll point i used was poison.

[Lesrider]

You don't lose anything when you get pked. Just shows your deaths under your stats.
But if you're doing a quest (like Olande), you have to drop it and start all over if you die (or Olande dies). So ganking people while they're doing a quest like that is the ultimate low, IMO.

So Fluff, does that mean HunnySnipet is gone?

[Moogerfooger]

What happens if you are attacked? What do you lose, or is it just annoying?

It is really annoying. First, there is the whole getting jumped by someone twenty lvls higher than you chicken****...you get interrupted in what you are doing and spawn in a cemetery, and in the Olande quest instance, you can't even beging the quest until an NPC spawns every several minutes and you have to race to be the first few to click on him to get the quest. If you get PKed along the way doing the Olande quests, you have to go back and wait all over again.

In Vega Square on the Whispering Islands, it is the worst. Tons of 50+ lurking around, some just PvPing each other, but I got ganked (while a lvl 31-32) by multiple 38+, usually 50+. Many of the Vega quests MAKE you spend a lot of time directly in the middle of the PvP area...at least the swamp ones there are only a couple, and the area is pretty open so you can run like hell and have a chance. In Vega, there is no where to really run, and the edges of the PvP area are impossible to avoid.

Then when you die in Vega, you respawn in a cemetery....right in middle of the PvP zone, and tons of loser low-life kids sit there and spawnkill. I had to log off for a while, couldn't get out of the cemetery.

[Lesrider]

Moog, I think the cemetery in Vega is in a neutral zone but bc of the timer you can be ganked for 5 min there. Hopefully the update will come soon with the graveyards being safe zones. That would at least allow you to break away to one if you're being ganked or just to let the timer wear off. Not a be-all, end-all solution to the problem, but it will help.

[Formora]

Cool, I will give it a shot. Will be nice to grind outside pvp zone.

I don't plan on buying any runes soon. Leveled my warrior without any pots :)

Are you online now, Les?

[Moogerfooger]

Moot point, because 99% of the time you die in Vega because you had a timer in the first place.

You can tele into Vega and be safe, but the quests take you into the Eristar PvP area immediately next to Vega Square itself which is where most of the problems begin with....

Btw, my Guardian build was a total failure, and Calm (skills cost 9% less) sucks, loss of Beserk is catastrophic to an offensive-minded player(s) like most of us. You can't start a combo from rest with Sonic Slash, you have to use Charge as your opening move from a semi-distance. And the Guardian and Counter stances, although cool in theory, drain morale while the stance is engaged rendering all other skills useless....it is a purely defensive move(s).

The only good thing out of the experiment was that I was surprised that Lacerate > Improved Lacerate is actually pretty damn good when upgraded, ala Sonic Slash. It bleeds a lot of HP off of mobs, and is low morale. I was using it early in my combos, immediately after Charge. It would take a significant amount of mob HP off over time. I can imagine SSlash > Charge > Lacerate would be an excellent combo opener.

Unfortunately it cost me 60g to respec and going to cost me another 60g to get back to my Battle build :(

[Moogerfooger]

The fishfolk are lvl 26, but yeah, that's what I'm doing with my archer till I feel safe enough to attempt the dragontooth quest. Feel free to grind with me, Formora.

The fishfolk immediately to the right/east of the Tele are not 26 if i recall, but 24-25. The ones a little further east where FishieKing spawns near the big boat are 26 and use ranged attacks and are annoying to a non-warrior at first.

[Lesrider]

The fishfolk immediately to the right/east of the Tele are not 26 if i recall, but 24-25. The ones a little further east where FishieKing spawns near the big boat are 26 and use ranged attacks and are annoying to a non-warrior at first.

Nope, there right now. One side is 26, other side is 27(-28?).

What made you respec as a Guardian?
Interesing about Lacerate, though. I still have a few unused points on my warrior that I'm still debating how to use. I only have room for one more skill on my sidebar. I don't have Decapitate yet, and I hear it's a great skill when you have 0 morale. I doubt i'll take Ankle Slash, bc it will take more points. Decisions, decisions.

[Moogerfooger]

I was really bored. Reeeeeallly bored. And I was POd at gankers, so I was gonna go in there and lay waste with a Guardian build.

Unfortunately, the lack of Beserk really sucks, and since I hate 1H/Shield, and some of the Guardian moves are things like Improved Block and Shield Slap, kinda pointless without a shield. I was hoping the stances were awesome or didn't drain morale like they do (fast).

Surprisingly, when I did manage to scrape up enough morale for a skill, my skill damage was better than expected....only marginally less than Battle build. Then again, if I was using a 1H/Shield, not so much.

I like Ankle Slash. Works great for when you need to knock them down (if it hits, it is 100% knockdown from what I have seen), which came in handy when I ganked some gankers the other day in the Swamps, and when I popped homedude stalking Formora near Olande. Not sure if the extra points for slowing enemies is really worth it, though.

[FluffNStuff]

You don't lose anything when you get pked. Just shows your deaths under your stats.
But if you're doing a quest (like Olande), you have to drop it and start all over if you die (or Olande dies). So ganking people while they're doing a quest like that is the ultimate low, IMO.

So Fluff, does that mean HunnySnipet is gone?

HunnySnipet is my official Green Malt for now. Gonna stick with Asausagenate for now, figure if I get some money, can stock my mage with enough health and mana pots to continue. Thing is, the Assassin is actually really fun. Can easily kill a solo mob above my level, have a little trouble with multiples, but just need to practice that. Figure I need to cut one throat, then actually attack the other. That way the one I cut will be less once i get to it, and it can't cast spells on me :)

[Lesrider]

Lol no matter what I play, I miss my warrior :p

Btw, guys, be very wary of scams. So many ppl scams being reported on the GL forums.

[Formora]

What kind of scams? I read one about GameloftHelp asking people to send him stuff saying there's a server maintainence. I don't think any of us will fall for something like that lol.

[Lesrider]

What kind of scams? I read one about GameloftHelp asking people to send him stuff saying there's a server maintainence. I don't think any of us will fall for something like that lol.

That's the one I'm talking about. But go back and look at the screenshots. The guy somehow managed to get it so his name wouldn't show up and it looks legit (albeit puzzling).

[Doubletime]

What kind of scams? I read one about GameloftHelp asking people to send him stuff saying there's a server maintainence. I don't think any of us will fall for something like that lol.

Yeah. Just be smart. The only items that are really better than the quest rewards are blues (that sell for a lot and no one is going to just give away) and some crafted gear. So there really isn't a reason to trade with people that you don't know or trust. If it sounds too good to be true -- it is.

[FluffNStuff]

Is real money the only way to get a panda?

[Lesrider]

Is real money the only way to get a panda?

Not sure, cuz they're fairly cheap in the AH. Again, not sure why someone would buy one with real cash just to sell for a few gold :/

[FluffNStuff]

Not sure, cuz they're fairly cheap in the AH. Again, not sure why someone would buy one with real cash just to sell for a few gold :/

20 Gold = 15 dollar
For 15 Dollars you can get 95 Runes
For 95 Runes you can get 6 Pandas
For Each Pandas you can get 12 Gold
So for 15 dollars, you can get 20 Gold or 72 Gold.
This is exactly the kind of thing I got worried about in PL when you could buy crafting recipes for plat and sell for gold because I care. Of course that was fixed on PL, but I could care less if that kinda thing goes on in O+-C.

BTW, I paid 5 bucks for 30 runes and shipped myself a panda :)

[Lesrider]

20 Gold = 15 dollar
For 15 Dollars you can get 95 Runes
For 95 Runes you can get 6 Pandas
For Each Pandas you can get 12 Gold
So for 15 dollars, you can get 20 Gold or 72 Gold.
This is exactly the kind of thing I got worried about in PL when you could buy crafting recipes for plat and sell for gold because I care. Of course that was fixed on PL, but I could care less if that kinda thing goes on in O+-C.

BTW, I paid 5 bucks for 30 runes and shipped myself a panda :)

20 gold only seems like a lot at lower lvls. Later in the game, it's so easy to make gold that the idea of buying it becomes laughable. In fact, if those gold sellers are actually getting business, they're making some pretty easy money.

[joeychandler]

So I sent some of you warriors the best cape a master tailor can make. I checked the AH a bit later and the cape I made looked pathetic compared to random 50 ish greens. You all know crafting is flawed but daymn... What were they thinking?

Also any mages/monks who need gear just send me a mail, cause I always forget your levels and igns.

[FluffNStuff]

20 gold only seems like a lot at lower lvls. Later in the game, it's so easy to make gold that the idea of buying it becomes laughable. In fact, if those gold sellers are actually getting business, they're making some pretty easy money.

Good to know. Can you only have one pet? If not, I when I get some gold I will surround myself with pandas :)

[Doubletime]

Good to know. Can you only have one pet? If not, I when I get some gold I will surround myself with pandas :)

Yeah. One active pet at a time. Also remember, in the late 50 levels it is really easy to make gold. Most plate drops and weapon drops are worth close to 1g each or more. Also, the daily quests can net you 9-10g easy with minimal time. It wasn't unusual in the late levels for me to make 50g+ in a gaming session. So don't waste real money on buying gold. Save the runes for xp pots if you already purchased them. Those make grinding out the last few levels quicker when you run out of quests other than the dailys and repeatable ones. You can stack a 100% xp pot and a 50% xp pot for some mad xp if you want to spend an hour or two grinding elite mobs that already give pretty high xp.

The gold is really useful to expand your bag slots and stash slots.

[FluffNStuff]

Question about stat points. Am I supposed to 'put points' into stats or do my stats increase with level?

[FluffNStuff]

Can anyone explain to me attack power vs damage. Looking at my character, with weapons it has:
38.89 DPS
main hand 42-55 / 1.8 sec
off hand 20-23 / 1.8 sec
Attack Power 172 (+12.3 DPS)

Now if I put down the weapons I get:
Main Hand 24-24 / 2 sec
Off Hand 0-0 /0 Sec
Attack Power 165 (+11.8 DPS)

So what does any of that mean?
Also, I have a talen which increases melee damage by 4%. Which number does it increase?

[Doubletime]

Question about stat points. Am I supposed to 'put points' into stats or do my stats increase with level?

If you are talking about the points you put into talents, then you increase the level of the active talents you have unlocked by purchasing spell books from the appropriate Trainer. Trainers are located in Silence and Greenmont. I'm not sure of any at other locations. Each class has a separate trainer (warrior, mage, monk, archer). For instance, if you are a warrior the warrior trainer in Silence is over behind the archery area heading out of town.

Each spell book will usually increase the damage and effect of the skill associated with it. But often it will also then require more mana/morale/vigor. Higher level spell books get unlocked as you increase in level.

On your attack power vs. damage question -- Idk.

[Lesrider]

Question about stat points. Am I supposed to 'put points' into stats or do my stats increase with level?

You mean like str/agi/wis? No, those increase automatically on their own. The only way you can change them is through your gear.

As for your other post, I honestly have not looked at all those stats in detail yet. I'm sure you'll figure it out before I do ;)

[j46g629h]

Can anyone explain to me attack power vs damage. Looking at my character, with weapons it has:
38.89 DPS
main hand 42-55 / 1.8 sec
off hand 20-23 / 1.8 sec
Attack Power 172 (+12.3 DPS)

Now if I put down the weapons I get:
Main Hand 24-24 / 2 sec
Off Hand 0-0 /0 Sec
Attack Power 165 (+11.8 DPS)

So what does any of that mean?
Also, I have a talen which increases melee damage by 4%. Which number does it increase?


I guess the attack power is like bonus for your damage, similar spell power for extra spell damage

[FluffNStuff]

You mean like str/agi/wis? No, those increase automatically on their own. The only way you can change them is through your gear.

As for your other post, I honestly have not looked at all those stats in detail yet. I'm sure you'll figure it out before I do ;)

Had to challenge me ;)
Anyway, for Assassin (this might be the same or different for other classes):
1 Agility = 1.25 Attack Power
1 Strength = 1.25 AP
7 AP = 1 Damage added to main hand.

[LIGHTNINGLORD67]

Had to challenge me ;)
Anyway, for Assassin (this might be the same or different for other classes):
1 Agility = 1.25 Attack Power
1 Strength = 1.25 AP
7 AP = 1 Damage added to main hand.

So if there is 5.6 agility (LET'S JUST SAY), then 1 damage is added to main hand?

Isn't agility speed of which you run? O.o

[Lesrider]

So I sent some of you warriors the best cape a master tailor can make. I checked the AH a bit later and the cape I made looked pathetic compared to random 50 ish greens. You all know crafting is flawed but daymn... What were they thinking?

Also any mages/monks who need gear just send me a mail, cause I always forget your levels and igns.

Thanks, I actually gave it to my archer in case it's of more use at lvl 47.

[Lesrider]

So if there is 5.6 agility (LET'S JUST SAY), then 1 damage is added to main hand?

Isn't agility speed of which you run? O.o

Running speed, AFIK, can only be changed through certain skills or items bought with runes. Agility affects dodge and I THINK attack speed. Didn't know it affects attack power too -- would think that would be limited to strength. Interesting...

[Lesrider]

Lol I just tried to play the new forest haven. Kept trying to change my camera angle and got really sad when it just spun me around :(. Also, I've been spoiled by the blue arrow. Can't be bothered to do quests without an arrow now lol.

[MITSUISUN]

Had to challenge me ;)
Anyway, for Assassin (this might be the same or different for other classes):
1 Agility = 1.25 Attack Power
1 Strength = 1.25 AP
7 AP = 1 Damage added to main hand.

For some reason I am pretty big into stats calculation in this game. Influenced by Phys, and because Phys and Elf are not playing O&C and doesn’t look like Royce is on PL forum at all ( at least I haven’t seen him post. Btw there’s an NPC in Arcadian Forest named Royce lol )

I been populating major equipments and stats into excel just so I can do easy comparasion. I focused on Archer Ranger a lot while back and trying to find AP(attack power) set, Crit set and balanced set, like Phys style comparsion.
I am hoping to do 3000+ Snipe damage, but only 2860 at the moment.

I think:
maximum crit damages = (highest weapon damage + Attack Power) x 2 or some kinda of multi-plier.
But perhaps I should examine Snipe skill description more carefully, I remember it’s 200% of damage +250damage. On my archer, I been focusing on rasing my agility/attack and keep my crit above 25%.

Elly can probably chime in on crit chances and %, as he pvp a lot and can provide better AC vs AP/Dmg vs Crit etc.

Raising GW and PFM to 60 at the moment since archer and divine are done. So when I am done with PvE I will focus on stats build and share findings.

I am sure Fluff is right in terms of difference in classes. I remember different race will cause different class stats from the beginning, but people saying at 60 it’s negelectble. So I am not sure how race truly effects, and I don’t think skill tree matters, only class for now.

On my Elf Archer Ranger:
1 Agility = 2 range attack power
1 Agility = 1 melee attack power
1 Agility = .028% crit (a crit + is a crit +, there’s no range crit or melee crit, it’s just crit, I like to look at % other than chances)
1 Strength = 1 melee attack power
1 Strength = some dodge

I will revisit my excel when free but this is what I recall from memories.

On my Orc Guardian War:
1 Strength = 2 Melee Attack
(will check what agi do)

Strength also effects dodge, while parry I need to pay some attention as I am not seeing it changes with str / agi equipment nor buff.

I think there’s general stats that will just apply the same for mage and monk and other 2 classes, such as
1 Stamina = 10 HP
1 Wisdom = some MP ( need to check )

Anyway, when war/mage 60, I will spend a lot of time to analyze my 4 toons and compare stats with other people.

Never liked math but I guess I need to crunch some numbers. Will test and record more.

[Inching]

i see people running really fast in the game using some sort of spells i would think... can someone tell me what spell that is? Im a ranger and so i dont have this spell right or is it some kind of scroll i dont know abt???

thx guys

[MITSUISUN]

@Inching

It's the assassin tree skill called Escape, early stage skill, need spend 5 points first in assassin tree to get it. Let you run fast for 10 secs with 50% movement speed increase.

[Inching]

@Inching

It's the assassin tree skill called Escape, early stage skill, need spend 5 points first in assassin tree to get it. Let you run fast for 10 secs with 50% movement speed increase.

ohhhh.... im seriously thinking of getting it just for the time saved traveling..... u think its worth it... im currently pure ranger

[FluffNStuff]

It is only 10 seconds, but level 2 is up to 55% and i am loving auto run with. Realy excoted to get the last skill which reduces cooldown!

[MITSUISUN]

@Inching
pure archer ranger right? That's me too.

Since you should put 5 points into Discern Weakness for 5% crit when you can anyway, I think 1 point for Escape is worth it especially if you solo a lot and later on in pvp, you might want to unlock Rapid Steps so it's like shadowsteps/increase your dodge by 10/20/30.

But to be honest, I didnt get it until last night because I was fired up lol. It's a good skill to catch up people or run away from when in need.

While doing vega quests, my noobs were being targeted in vega pvp zone area repeatly by same 2 lv60 people, looking for fun and provoke to start pvp.

So when @ 5th/6th time i said screw it. I logged on to my archer, teleported to vega, looked for those 2 to hunt them down. and of course with no pvp experience I lost some and won some, moved on to fight near teleport area and got graveyard spawn killed some and had friend come help me for some 2vs3 (their healer stayed with no pvp tag and healed the war and archer while fighting my archer and monk friend)

It's part of the game i guess, people are bored enough alright.

[Ellyidol]

Get Escape and max the upgrade, at level 3 the upgrade gives 50% more dodge when using escape. 50% more dodge for 10 seconds is awesome, fully buffed on my archer, when I dash I could get up to 75% dodge for those 10 seconds, works wonders.

[joeychandler]

Thanks, I actually gave it to my archer in case it's of more use at lvl 47.

Np, I wish I could actually return the favour of people sending me mats. Think I'm gonna email Devs about crafting, they actually seem active- not STS active, but better than I expected.

The max level of stone armour gives +7000 armour I just found out, which is insane, I doubt even a fully geared guardian warrior could hit close to that.

[Lesrider]

Np, I wish I could actually return the favour of people sending me mats. Think I'm gonna email Devs about crafting, they actually seem active- not STS active, but better than I expected.

The max level of stone armour gives +7000 armour I just found out, which is insane, I doubt even a fully geared guardian warrior could hit close to that.

Wow. My lvl 60 battle warrior (no shield) has about 2600 armor.

You mages are making me want to try one!

[Inching]

I'm only Lvl 48 bu if u need a PVP partner or help let me know. I'll teleport there, just pm me next time. I love a good fight and hate ppl picking on other people.

[Lesrider]

I think everyone's playing PL. No one's in-game :/

[Formora]

I'm online now but nobody else is :(

[Lesrider]

I'm online now but nobody else is :(

I'm gonna go shower before I play anymore. But after, you want to do some of those quests like the dragontooth? I don't like soloing dangerous areas with my archer.

[joeychandler]

I'm online now but nobody else is :(

Playoff finals are on. But that's just me...

[Formora]

I'm gonna go shower before I play anymore. But after, you want to do some of those quests like the dragontooth? I don't like soloing dangerous areas with my archer.

Okay, sure. I think I have to finish up previous quests first though. Trying to find something from the swamp fishfolk.

[CryoBlade]

Is there anything useful to buy with gold at low levels? I'm at level 21 right now.

[RedRyder]

I think everyone's playing PL. No one's in-game :/

That's absurd

[Lesrider]

Is there anything useful to buy with gold at low levels? I'm at level 21 right now.

Bag upgrades.
Seriously, that's the best use of gold early on.

Personally, I never bought any equipment until I hit endgame, bc you can't sell/trade stuff once you equip it. So I decided to save up my gold for endgame and it's paid off.
I am enjoying teleporting everywhere with my alts now that I have an abundance of gold :)

[CryoBlade]

Well, I've always had trouble with bag space. Always deciding on what to keep and what to drop lol.

[Lesrider]

Well, I've always had trouble with bag space. Always deciding on what to keep and what to drop lol.

Yeah, still haven't made the jump to 100g upgrades. Just doesn't seem worth a measly 6 slots.

[shmoo]

Yeah, still haven't made the jump to 100g upgrades. Just doesn't seem worth a measly 6 slots.

Probably worth more to use that 100g for stash upgrade (12 slots) but still... -.-

[shmoo]

Np, I wish I could actually return the favour of people sending me mats. Think I'm gonna email Devs about crafting, they actually seem active- not STS active, but better than I expected.

The max level of stone armour gives +7000 armour I just found out, which is insane, I doubt even a fully geared guardian warrior could hit close to that.

Last time I checked at max rank it gives +8000 armor?

[Formora]

I've finished all the quests from the first and second towns of whispering islands. It's vega square time, but I'm only level 30. So I guess I'll have to go grind a bit.

[Lesrider]

I've finished all the quests from the first and second towns of whispering islands. It's vega square time, but I'm only level 30. So I guess I'll have to go grind a bit.

Aww those darn time zones. Had you gone to sleep when I did, we'd still be around the same level :p

[Lesrider]

Man, some of these swamp quests are no fun to do on multiple chars.

[Inching]

i respec'ed and took ur advice guys... i am pure ranger with escaped learned. This is great as i needed to put 5 pts into higher crit before i can learn this skill and now not only are my quests done a lot faster due to escape but also my shots are mostly crit... added my other crit attributes maxed, now i also have the crit maxed on the assassin tree as well.... and im only lvl 47 killing 50+ monsters and stuff WITH EASE~!!!

thx for the help guys...

Last question... are there anyone here leather crafters??? my gears are only quest gear and i would like to get some better.

thx

[Lesrider]

Has anyone managed to complete A Ghost's Revenge in recent history? My warrior didn't have any trouble with ir, but now it's bugged and can't do it with my archer :(. Basically, 15 diff Haiens are already there killing everything that spawns, so I can't get rhe boss. Do I have to just abandon the quest?

[FluffNStuff]

Asausagenate is 20 and entering the swamps tonight assuming I don't take to much agro from the go figure.

[Benaorn]

On the description of fist master you get 10% hit chance when upgrade to 5, does this mean 10% hit chance overall or just when using tiger claw? Same goes for the upgrade to mantis where you get 5% crit. Anyone knows?

[Echelong]

Has anyone managed to complete A Ghost's Revenge in recent history? My warrior didn't have any trouble with ir, but now it's bugged and can't do it with my archer :(. Basically, 15 diff Haiens are already there killing everything that spawns, so I can't get rhe boss. Do I have to just abandon the quest?

I am having the same problem, DT somehow managed to do it. I will try it later and see if I have nay luck with it. Someone suggested that we try to gather a big group of mobs and try to get them to kill the multiple copies of hayden but that didn't work because the copies would kill the mobs really fast.

If you need help on the swamps pvp area let me know I can get my ranger there and help you out.


On the description of fist master you get 10% hit chance when upgrade to 5, does this mean 10% hit chance overall or just when using tiger claw? Same goes for the upgrade to mantis where you get 5% crit. Anyone knows?


10% hit chance and crit overall. I do prefer the hit chance on crit because even with the added hit min is about 89% if I didn't had the 10% it would be lower than 80%. Only thing affected is the proc on the fist weapon or the daze of polearm or staff.

[Lesrider]

Managed to do it. Basically you need to get lucky enough for the boss to spawn where you're standing while the npcs are a few feet away so you have a chance to get a hit in. Took a long time to get that lucky. The irony is that the trinket is useless to a ranger, but I'll have to do it all over again with my monk.

[Lesrider]

Btw, how come all the rangers have a cool hat that I seem to have missed out on somehow?

[Echelong]

Managed to do it. Basically you need to get lucky enough for the boss to spawn where you're standing while the npcs are a few feet away so you have a chance to get a hit in. Took a long time to get that lucky. The irony is that the trinket is useless to a ranger, but I'll have to do it all over again with my monk.

From what Mits told me there is a quest in the rift area that gives you a 7+ to all stats trinket quest. So I will focus on that one.


Btw, how come all the rangers have a cool hat that I seem to have missed out on somehow?

Just keep looking some have really bad stats but people use them because they look nice. who can blame them right. I am still using my lvl38 purple one lol and it looks like a bucket with a hole cut in front of it.

[Benaorn]

From what Mits told me there is a quest in the rift area that gives you a 7+ to all stats trinket quest. So I will focus on that one.

I think the one in rift gives you 9 on all stats or most of it. The one in swamps is bugged, I couldn't stand it after a few mins. It's laggy with all the npc and usually mob die before you could even target.

[Lesrider]

Anyone have a reason why I shouldn't abandon the dragontooth quest? It doesn't lead to any others, right?

[Doubletime]

If I recall correctly, I have found three trinkets in the game. The first one comes on the second map. It is to kill the spider queen Cassandra. You get it from the same camp you get the Timmy quest from, I believe. That one was pretty easy. Called the Spider Tooth: +3 Str., +3 Agil, +2 Stam, +3 Wis

On the Ghost's Revenge quest out of Storm Cape or whatever it is called, I just got lucky I guess. The Captain's ghost wasn't even spawned when I got to the spot. In fact, my squishy mage died four times trying to live long enough to use the rune stone to summon him. Then it was just a matter of living long enough to let the Ghost KO the mobs including the boss guy. Called Rage Blade's Tooth: Restores 4 mana and 3 health per 8 seconds.

The last was from the final Rift Quest, I think, walking the Shadow out of the Umbra Rift zone. It is called The Ancient Soul of Dragons (looks like necklass -- but it is a trinket so don't overlook it): +9 Str, +9 Agil, +9 Stam, +9 Wis.

If there are other trinkets in the game, I've either missed them or haven't found the right quest.

[Doubletime]

Anyone have a reason why I shouldn't abandon the dragontooth quest? It doesn't lead to any others, right?

Les, all these quests are starting to run together, lol. Which one is the dragontooth quest?

[Moogerfooger]

Just checking in, I am officially homeless for a few days while I am here for the last coupla days in Dallas and then on the road. Made it to 35.5 on monk-ey. I once again realized how much I hated The One quest near Hall of Reverie, but managed to finish it. Bout to hit the Graveyard, one of my favorite areas :)

Looks like a cool update to FH on PL, may have to go check that out when I can :D

[Samhayne]

Just checking in, I am officially homeless for a few days while I am here for the last coupla days in Dallas and then on the road.

Have a safe trip, Mooger!

[Echelong]

Just checking in, I am officially homeless for a few days while I am here for the last coupla days in Dallas and then on the road. Made it to 35.5 on monk-ey. I once again realized how much I hated The One quest near Hall of Reverie, but managed to finish it. Bout to hit the Graveyard, one of my favorite areas :)

Looks like a cool update to FH on PL, may have to go check that out when I can :D

Hope your new place is better than the old one and hope you can get your internet ready fast. Yeah I gotta check FH weapons looks really sweet.

[Moogerfooger]

Have a safe trip, Mooger!

Thanks Sam and Ech....been a busy week....on the home stretch, all I have to worry about is one significant other not happy I am leaving and an 1100 mile drive...I'm not sure which I am looking forward to less :rolleyes: